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I'm 21 live in winnipeg mb I stole from my job due to desprate circumstances. Its my first offence, I stole 9500$. The police just contacted me and asked me to meet with them this Tuesday. I don't know what to do. What punishments could I be facing, what should I say to the police when they ask me questions... I don't know what to do
Hello c:Quote:
Originally Posted by claire.cali
You should say NOTHING to the cops. You shouldn't even go. Hire a lawyer instead.
excon
The detective that talked to me told me that if I couldn't meet with him on Tuesday he would sent cops to my house or to my work place to come and get me. I don't want to miss the appointment and then have that happen because I haven't told may people what I did.
Hello c:
The FIRST thing you're going to have to do, is decide WHO is on your side. If you think it's the cops, DO what they said. If you think it's ME, DO what I said.
You're going to be arrested in ANY case. They're going to do it when and/or IF you go in, or they'll do it where ever they find you. If you want to AVOID being put in cuffs, HIRE A LAWYER.
Uhhh, you're still working there?? That's strange.
excon
No I got a new job. So your saying that if I even go there they will arrest me right away? So I should hire a lawyer and have them come with me instead? Or just have them go in my place
Hello again, c:Quote:
Originally Posted by claire.cali
You should hire a lawyer and DO what he says. There won't be any meetings with the cops. The lawyer will have you turn yourself in. You'll be booked, fingerprints taken and be given a bail. You should NOT have to go to jail... ANY other way, you'll spend a couple days in the pokey.
excon
So they will tell me to go to the police and you don't think that I would do jail time? Like the truth is I would do anything but jail time probation community service anything I just really don't want to go to jail. How high is you had to guess would bail be for this situation? Or do you have any clue?
Hello again, c:
I don't KNOW what will happen... Maybe the owner of your company is married to the chief of police... Maybe they're really pissed off at you. Maybe the cop is a decent guy. Maybe the cop is an a$$. You LOST control of your life once you decided to steal. People who DON'T have your interests at heart NOW control your life. All you can do, is DO the best you can for yourself at this point.
IF you turn yourself in, you will probably be released with NO bail. If they have to find you, you'll probably have to spend money to get out of jail. Once you're out, you'll have a trial. If you're convicted, or you plead guilty, you'll be sentenced..
If you appear sympathetic to the court, like being a first offender, they'll PROBABLY give you probation, fines, community service, and REQUIRE you to pay back the money... OR, if the judge isn't a very nice fellow, he could make you go to prison.
excon
You have been so helpful. Now I guess I need to find a good lawyer at a good price... that's not easy.
You should elaborate on what happened. How did you get caught stealing $9500? That's heck load of money to steal. Are you already charged with an offence? (theft under / theft over?)
If you are already charged, then you MUST hire a lawyer. A lawyer may seem expensive but down the line you will feel glad you hired one. A lawyer will help you get the charges withdrawn or worst case, probation which will still get you a criminal record. I'm not saying jail isn't possible, but it's very unlikely if you have a good criminal defense lawyer on your side to negotiate with the prosecutor. And the fact this is your first offence also helps.
If your not charged yet, I wouldn't be in a hurry to hire a lawyer. Remember, you don't have to speak with the police-- you have the right to remain silent. Don't say a thing- don't answer any questions. And if he decides to charge you, THEN call a lawyer.
Listen to excon. You need to have an attorney BEFORE you talk to the police. You can't go into the police and not answer any questions without the likelihood of being arrested. You can't go to the police and talk to them without an attorney present. So get yourself one and then keep the appointment.
You can't go to the police and talk to them without an attorney present. So get yourself one and then keep the appointment.
Who said you CAN'T go to the police without an attorney present? Just make sure to say "I want to invoke my right to remain silent". BE BRAVE and say those magic words. Keep saying it if he continues to ask you questions. The truth is whether the lawyer is with you or not, they'll still charge you IF they already have evidence against you. They CAN'T charge you because you refuse to answer any questions. If anything, that will help them CHARGE you. A lawyer being present BEFORE being charged isn't going to help your situation. It's just a waste of money.
Understand police lie, if they had enough evidence right now to arrest you, they would not be "asking" you to come in, they would show up at your door with handcuffs.
They want to put pressure, and lie to you move about a lot of evidence they don't really have to get you to confess.
My guess if convicted you will do prison time, but then that is a guess.
So don't do anything that will help put you there.
Ok, I shouldn't have said, can't, I should have said shouldn't. Because if you do, you will most likely say something incriminating. That's why you need an attorney, to protect you from yourself. It would NOT be a waste of money.Quote:
Originally Posted by BillNi
We take pride in the quality of the advice we give here and you are not giving quality advice. You have already shown a disdain for legal and ethical behavior.
Because if you do, you will most likely say something incriminating. That's why you need an attorney, to protect you from yourself. It would NOT be a waste of money.
How could he possibly say something incriminating if he invokes his right to remain silent?
Understand police lie, if they had enough evidence right now to arrest you, they would not be "asking" you to come in, they would show up at your door with handcuffs.
They want to put pressure, and lie to you move about alot of evidence they don't really have to get you to confess.
My guess if convicted you will do prison time, but then that is a guess.
This is true but don't fall for these tactics. Cops will do whatever it takes to get you to talk. They will lie. They can say they will only charge you with theft under instead of over... or say they have your fingerprints on the table. Which could all be false. Whatever they say, repeat the magic words.
Hello B:
I'm just not sure WHY you think she should meet with them, and say NOTHING. Even IF she could keep her mouth shut, what's that going to accomplish?
excon
Hello E:
It is going to accomplish saving hell load of money from hiring a lawyer, considering the fact he is not charged yet.
Bill
Hello again, Bill:Quote:
Originally Posted by BillNi
Wouldn't staying home and mowing the lawn accomplish the same thing?
excon
Maybe you missed this:Quote:
Originally Posted by BillNi
This suggests to me that they have enough to charge the OP, though it could be intimidation. But you just don't seem to get it. If she goes in and says nothing, they will hold her for hours, probably arrest her. So it makes no sense to do so. If she goes in she should have an attorney to protect her interests. End of story.Quote:
Originally Posted by claire.cali
Again, you are giving bad advice and that will not be tolerated here.
P.S. Learn to properly use the quoting feature.
Hello again, Bill:Quote:
Originally Posted by BillNi
Let me give this a try... I don't disagree with your premise that she doesn't need an attorney BEFORE she's charged, IF she knows how to act in the face of PENDING charges... The problem is, MOST people don't.
You're a PERFECT example of that. In the FIRST instance, you believe a citizen SHOULD visit a police station because they were summoned, but they SHOULD NOT SAY ANYTHING while there... You STILL haven't said WHY you think they should go... Simply the fact that you suggest she be put in that circumstance, is EVIDENCE of your inexperience...
In any case, and for whatever reason, you believe that a citizen can, in the face of a trained police interrogator, keep his mouth shut... It SOUNDS easy, doesn't it? But, it's plain that you have NEVER experienced something like this, and your advice comes from your OPINION, rather than your EXPERIENCE...
Now, I'm not going to argue with you about your premise... You believe it. I can only tell you this... I, myself, HAVE been in those situations, and I'm a VERY sophisticated animal when it comes to interacting with the cops... I've done it MORE times than I care to remember. Having said that, I would NEVER consider allowing myself to be put under police interrogation, because I KNOW how good they are. They KNOW how to get somebody to talk...
So, by hiring a lawyer BEFORE she is charged, she WILL get the proper legal advice, which is, DON'T TALK TO THE COPS.
This board is NOT for the OPINIONATED. Somebody can really get HURT if they follow BAD advice. This isn't school.. These are real people..
excon
Hello again, Bill:
If my parents were 6' 10", I could be playing basketball.
excon
PS> By the way, our cops don't torture...
It works like this, the cops will get you in a room and tell you that they have it on video, or that they have y our finger prints and that the DA has already pressed charges for some highly serious charge. They tell you that they want to help you and that if you will just confess to this, you can just go home and that they will talk to the DA to get your probation.
Or they will tell you that they understand you needed the money and that the judge understands how hard it is, and that if you just give them a written confession now, nothing will happen.
They will also give you an impression that you can't leave, locked door perhaps with a uniform officer standing there with his gun on his hit.
They do this to scare you, to make you feel locked up.
They may say that they will have to cuff you and put you in lock up or even say prison if you don't work with them.
So no you should not go in and "say nothing" you have no obligation to go in, and they want you to say something and most people can not just sit quietly. They will start talking. So you can't talk if you are not there.
And if you are there, with an attorney, he talks, allowing you the relief of all of the lies.
And I have worked it from the police side, and unless a person is a serious gang member more scared of death than talking, we can normally get them talking, we start by being nice, telling them we understand that they most likely were not the one, but we need to clear it up, we ask them to tell us who they think may have done it, ( get them talking and lying)
Then we may ask them about details of their job.
Then we produce a fake folder and tell them that we already have the evidence and wanted to arrest them here instead of on the job, or in front of family , we try to find their weakness, and will watch their body language and eyes to tell when we are getting to them.
Then we may threaten, and yes even use the good cop, bad cop, idea, or just bad cop, worst cop ( easy for some of the cops)
Since Clair is from Winnepeg, MB,Canada, The Canadian Bill of Rights applies:
Seems even the Canadian justice system recommends a lawyer be hired quickly.
An excerpt from, note the bold:
Canada's system of Justice
Legal rights
The Charter also protects the individual and ensures fairness during legal proceedings, particularly in criminal cases. The rights to habeas corpus, or the right to challenge being detained or held, and to be presumed innocent until proven guilty – always recognized as part of our law – are now guaranteed in our constitution.
No one can be deprived of the right to liberty and security of his or her person except through proper legal procedures. Canadians are protected against unreasonable searches and seizures, and against police using excessive force, even when a search or seizure is authorized by law. We are also protected against being detained or arrested arbitrarily. In other words, a police officer must have a reasonable suspicion that we have committed a crime before holding us in custody.
The Charter also protects us against arbitrary actions by law enforcement agencies. It guarantees our rights to be told why we are being arrested or detained, to consult a lawyer without delay, to be informed of this right, and to have a court determine quickly whether the detention is lawful.
If you are charged with an offence under federal or provincial law you also have the right
* to be told promptly of the offence,
* to be tried within a reasonable time,
* not to be compelled to testify at your own trial,
* to be presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal,
* not to be denied reasonable bail without cause,
* not to be subjected to any cruel and unusual punishment,
* to be tried by a jury for serious charges, and
* not to be tried or punished twice for the same offence.
OK I agree if you think you will confess or start talking to the cops, then hire a lawyer.
But that is just the issue, the person always goes in , thinking they are smarter than the cops ( and may well be) but the cops are trained in getting a person to talk.
In the case of some people, we could get them to confess to things they did not even do, we could scare them that badly
This shows how clueless you are about this. Of course no one goes into this thinking they will confess. They are usually as arrogant as you appear to be. And then they learn how little they know and how unprepared they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by BillNi
Remember, also, the OP has admitted guilt. So this is not some innocent person who doesn't have anything to hide.
But a guility person is normally nervious and worried about going to jail, and normally easily fooled and tricked
Can you please quote from OP where he stated he "admitted guilt"?Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottGem
Sorry, if you meant to say he admitted guilt to us, then yes. But he hasn't admitted guilt to anyone but us.
Look at the title and the first post.Quote:
Originally Posted by BillNi
Here you go.Quote:
Can you please quote from OP where he stated he "admitted guilt"?
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I'm 21 live in winnipeg mb I stole from my job due to desprate circumstances. Its my first offence, I stole 9500$.
Also, you should be aware of the rules of this site, rules you agreed to when you joined. Unhelpful ratings are for factually incorrect info only, not for opinion. Your rating of Chuck's post is against the rules of this site.Quote:
BillNi does not find this helpful : Silent
He did not like my post since as moderator I have had to issue him a warning, and also delete a few of his posts. They often take it out on my posts when I do my moderation job here.
I haven't. Your "opinion" remains in this thread along with your arguments for and the many other arguments against. They have been removed because you keep arguing the same bad advice after being told it won't be tolerated. This site takes pride in the quality of the advice given here.Quote:
Originally Posted by BillNi
No one has said it was illegal. But something can be legal and still a dumb and dangerous thing to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by BillNi
I don't want to close this thread in case the OP needs some more advice, but I will if you continue to to argue about this.
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