Sexual Assault, Rape, Under Age Sex and Pimping :eek:

Every day a story comes up in the headlines about Underage Sex, Rape
And Pimping
Where is the other side to the story? Is the whole world full of just sick old men, praying on innocent young girls (16-18)

I see these stories in a different way. I know 3 groups of girls who are
Setting up guys and lying about their ages and working in strip clubs
Part-time. When things go bad for them, they go to the police and cry rape
Or abuse or hell even pimping type stuff. (no one puts the true out come in
The headlines when the case is done) when the case comes to court they
Don't show up or the full scope of their past gets side stepped. If you look
You will see a pattern of the same girls going to court and crying rape
About every 10-24 months or so. The guy go's to jail and their back on the
Streets in the same biz, soon to blame some new guys for the life style
They have picked out to stay with.

This has become a game for some young girls. (it has to stop!) The Internet is one great tool for change.
I feel a Black List of these Girls names should be posted on the internet with pictures and video's, to warn the public about them, and keep us safe too.

Jack Ross
Brampton Court House
This a web poll about this subject
http://boards.aetv.com/poll.jspa?pollID=800000371
http://boards.aetv.com/poll.jspa?pollID=800000372
http://boards.aetv.com/poll.jspa?pollID=700000345

Umm don't the police keep a record of complainants. Wouldn't this database be checked when someone makes such a complaint?

Yeah I can see a girl making this work once, but not repeatedly. So making their names public isn't going to do much since the second time they tried they would get caught anyway.

I know one female in particular who cries wolf. She then suddenly becomes pregnant then miscarries at the beginning of her monthly cycle... yeah. It won't do any good to 'black list' these people, so if you want to help make a change? Start campaigning for the true victims.

Sorry this kind of thing is happening repeatedly in a court room daily, it's a gray area for the Police and the Court System, they can only go case by case, when pointed out to them. Victims Names are never published publicly, so know one can pick up newspaper and say I had the same girl do that to me, which is unfair to the right of the guy being charged with a sex crime.

All I can suggest is keeping your nose clean and keeping a good distance from these women. And it is unfair, no arguing that.

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jackross disagrees: the law go's case by case only, only the person lawyer will look into this area

First, may I call your attention to the suggested guidelines for using the comment feature posted here:
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/feedba...ure-24951.html

Since I didn't specify who would be checking such a listing, your negative comment was not applicable.

I don't know about your area, but I live in one of the most populous areas in the world (NYC). I don't recall the last time I heard about girls repeatedly crying wolf. I have to think this is not as big a problem as you are painting it out to be. In a smaller area, police are more likely to remember repeat offenders before they pursue a complaint. In a larger area, police are more likely to check a complainant's record.

I definitely do not think that publicly posting such information is reasonable or practical. Its hard enough to get women to report rapes in the first place. If they know they will have their names publicized if they do, it will only discourage them further. And if you use the argument that you would only list repeat offenders, then you hava a Catch 22. If they are repeat offenders they could be prosecuted so you have the solution there.

I have the feeling you have been burned in such a case and are exaggerating the problem because of that.

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I know one female in particular who cries wolf. She then suddenly becomes pregnant then miscarries at the beginning of her monthly cycle...yeah. It won't do any good to 'black list' these people, so if you want to help make a change? Start campaigning for the true victims.

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What is a true victim? A crime is a crime, even lying to the court system. What these girls do hurts real victims of crime, but we as the public seem to support it some how.

Would you go to jail for a crime, you didn't do? Now think about someone lying to put you in there, umm

Umm. Umm what. You fail to see that when I mentioned 'true' victim, it was specifying ACTUAL victims of rape. You know, the women that get turned away, questioned and dragged through a long process of investigation because OF people like those women you are mentioning. You want to help someone, help them, help the legit.

The women YOU are talking about are pathetic and just want attention. If something is truly being done to them in a way that would be perceived as a CRIME, then they have no choice to take it upon themselves for things to change, to change their environment, to leave where they are at to take PREVENTIVE measures (if it is as bad as they say it is).

If it isn't true and these women are a couple of frauds, then don't waste time on them. Keep your distance from them and advise people you know by word of mouth to do the same, if it concerns you that much.

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jackross disagrees: the law go's case by case only, only the person lawyer will look into this area

First, may I call your attention to the suggested guidelines for using the comment feature posted here:
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Since I didn't specify who would be checking such a listing, your negative comment was not applicable.

I don't know about your area, but I live in one of the most populous areas in the world (NYC). I don't recall the last time I heard about girls repeatedly crying wolf. I have to think this is not as big a problem as you are painting it out to be. In a smaller area, police are more likely to remember repeat offenders before they pursue a complaint. In a larger area, police are more likely to check a complainant's record.

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Ok I'm speaking about Canada, and what I see at work all day in the system.
When these matter come up they are dropped with little or no fan fair as to how they got before the court in the first place. Good background and history checking is done by the guys lawyer $$

Ok, so they are dropped with "little or no fanfare". So what's the problem?

[QUOTE=Sentra]Umm. Umm what. You fail to see that when I mentioned 'true' victim, it was specifying ACTUAL victims of rape. You know, the women that get turned away, questioned and dragged through a long process of investigation because OF people like those women you are mentioning. You want to help someone, help them, help the legit.

The women YOU are talking about are pathetic and just want attention. If something is truly being done to them in a way that would be perceived as a CRIME, then they have no choice to take it upon themselves for things to change, to change their environment, to leave where they are at to take PREVENTIVE measures (if it is as bad as they say it is).


First off, I feel that the men I speak of are legit, and go through a long process of being investigated and put to shame in front of their families and communities (They should also have a voice as victims & not be brushed off.)

I truly feel sorry for actual victims of Sexual Abuse, but they are not the focus, of the black List. Proven repeat offenders who need mental help are, so what the problem with that.

You say "Preventive measures on their part to change their environment", I think that is crazy. They are in the real world with other people that are affected by their actions and have the right to the same safe streets too.

Theses girls are not going to pack up and stop what their doing by word of mouth, this thing is grow.


Please don't take me the wrong way, I am grateful for all your feedback. It helps me to understand all the views out there for a subject of this type.

I'm sorry, but I just don't see this as a major problem. I just can't believe there are girls who get away with this time after time. Maybe once, possibly twice, but at that point the police get wise. The only way this things works is if you report it to the police. How many girls are going to risk the police catching on to them?

There is another point here. You have a concern for the men involved. But if the women is a prostitute or underage, are such men really deserving of consideration for attempting sex with such females?

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Originally Posted by ScottGem

Ok, so they are dropped with "little or no fanfare". So what's the problem?

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The Cost, The families, The Job lost, The Police record for a sex crime, price less

They have to pick up in shame and start life over, umm

If there lawyer is not too good then they go to jail. $$$$

I hope you or anyone you know, don't have to go through this.(Your name in the Local Newspapers, or hell TV news)

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Originally Posted by ScottGem

I'm sorry, but I just don't see this as a major problem. I just can't believe there are girls who get away with this time after time. Maybe once, possibly twice, but at that point the police get wise. The only way this things works is if you report it to the police. How many girls are going to risk the police catching on to them?

There is another point here. You have a concern for the men involved. But if the women is a prostitute or underage, are such men really deserving of consideration for attempting sex with such females?

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I understand your thinking, but your wrong. I was just like you in my own thinking, till I saw proof daily, shocking proof. Then later on, it happened to a good pal of mine, his life is over. The girl confessed to lying and the case was dropped, but he was mistreated in jail, and later died. This girl had done this 4 times and told others openly, someone told me she is back dating innocenlty, like it never happened. Oh and no is she's not a hooker, just crazy.

If this happened to you would you deserve any consideration? You are a hard worker and don't mess prostitutes. Right, I'm talking about girls that lie, Not crazy hookers on the corner. How can you see this as a major problem? Do you know someone that has been charged, and is innocent? Do you know anyone that died? Do you sit in court rooms all day, and here both sides.

My concern is for men that get setup or lied on by, girls that need mental help and the system calls them victims. If they had the right information then the choice to stay is in there hands.

What are the requirements/limitations for polygraphs in your area? Maybe if they were allowed or used (not sure), it would help take care of these issues.

I still have strong doubts that this is as prevalent as you say. But lets say this girl has done this 4 times. That means there is a police record each time. Including a record of the confession. Why isn't your friend's family filing charges? Filing a false poilce report is a crime, they should be pressing those charges. Why didn't they file a civil suit against the girl? If they can relate the death directly to the false accusation they have a wrongful death cause of action.

I am sure there are instances of this happening. But I'm just as sure they are the exception. And that the vast majority of time the girl is the victim. Or, even when they aren't, I don't see this being repeated many times. As I just pointed out there are ways to ensure it doesn't happen more than twice.

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Originally Posted by Sentra

What are the requirements/limitations for polygraphs in your area? Maybe if they were allowed or used (not sure), it would help take care of these issues.

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Hey, Good Idea, but they hate them here.

If it's against you then they want it, but if it clears you then it out, crazy uha

Which area of Canada do you live in?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._v._B%C3%A9land


Just read up on why they are disliked. Pfft.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygraph states :

In Canada, the use of a polygraph is sometimes employed in screening employees for government organizations. However, in the 1987 decision of R. v. Béland, the Supreme Court of Canada rejected the use of polygraph results as evidence in court.

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I still have strong doubts that this is as prevalent as you say. But lets say this girl has done this 4 times. That means there is a police record each time. Including a record of the confession. Why isn't your friend's family filing charges? Filing a false poilce report is a crime, they should be pressing those charges. Why didn't they file a civil suit against the girl? If they can relate the death directly to the false accusation they have a wrongful death cause of action.

I am sure there are instances of this happening. But I'm just as sure they are the exception. And that the vast majority of time the girl is the victim. Or, even when they aren't, I don't see this being repeated many times. As I just pointed out there are ways to ensure it doesn't happen more than twice.

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The police records are one way, to aid in a conviction. That's it.

When you check the victims name on the police computer system, her history won't show up unless they ask her for times and dates(Hey they Don't ask, get it. They would have to go deep in to checking court records.(Now if she did a crime that is different, that history is there, if she was charged with lying)

The confession is watered down is court bulls**t records

And not called a confession but some other legal term like "Discrpacess" so she won't be charged with lying.

Wrong full death law case cost $$$ It's not same in Canada as US law. Lawyers don't touch it no $$ in it here

I heard a story from a couple in Indiana that went to Atlanta Georgia to see their son... he was getting a divorce from the mother of his son... and was feeling depressed about the situation... they found out that he met a girl on a rebound and like this girl so much that he allowed her to move in and he sister and boyfriend to move in... the parents felt uncomfortable about staying the night... they did and later they got an hotel room for a few days... while there... the parents from Indiana asked the girl out to breakfast while the son worked and they discussed her future and what she wanted with life... the girl in the conversation stated that she met their son when she was 14 years old... and she never stated how old she was... the mother was so mad that she started a riot in the waffle house in Atlanta... after talking to son... it made no sense to them for when this girl was 14 years old and she grow up in Atlanta all her life and never traveled outside the state... made a mistake... the son was in South Carolina and married his wife in Atlanta during this period and was there for the birth of his son... and the couple moved to Maryland... he entered another state later for his wife wanted to complete her last year in college... so this girl lied and started a riot... the only person kicking this girls was the mother and the father was standing along the side telling his wife where to hit her next... drama in the suburbs... ghetto comes in some many colors... I would say... this young girl wanted to irate the mother... until this day... the story was told by those that were there... at no time... did anyone mention that the mother was not disrespecting this woman... OH the battle started because the girl was afraid that the mother and father did not like her and would discourage their son from any further contact with her... so she decided to put some mess in the game... by making a statement... “If... your son leave me... then I will go to the authorities and tell them he had sex with me at fourteen... ” how stressful... there are too many girls out there that would take average of the laws of the land... and make it difficult for legitimate arguments or complaints... so to shame only the women that have been found guilty of this trade is necessary for the safety of the community only... but if these girls are child pros... they are in the streets because of some other factor and deserves our protection... so no their picture should never be posted...

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._v._B%C3%A9land


Just read up on why they are disliked. Pfft.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygraph states :

In Canada, the use of a polygraph is sometimes employed in screening employees for government organizations. However, in the 1987 decision of R. v. Béland, the Supreme Court of Canada rejected the use of polygraph results as evidence in court.

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aah See I told you, I have done my home work too. (looking for a better way)

I am thinking of investing in an off-shore server soon!

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Originally Posted by LUNAGODDESS

I heard a story from a couple in Indiana that went to Atlanta Georgia to see their son...he was getting a divorce from the mother of his son...and was feeling depressed about the situation...they found out that he met a girl on a rebound and like this girl so much that he allowed her to move in and he sister and boyfriend to move in...the parents felt uncomfortable about staying the night ...they did and later they got an hotel room for a few days...while there ...the parents from Indiana asked the girl out to breakfast while the son worked and they discussed her future and what she wanted with life...the girl in the conversation stated that she met their son when she was 14 years old...and she never stated how old she was...the mother was so mad that she started a riot in the waffle house in Atlanta...after talking to son...it made no sense to them for when this girl was 14 years old and she grow up in Atlanta all her life and never traveled outside the state...made a mistake...the son was in South Carolina and married his wife in Atlanta during this period and was there for the birth of his son...and the couple moved to Maryland ...he entered another state later for his wife wanted to complete her last year in college ...so this girl lied and started a riot ...the only person kicking this girls was the mother and the father was standing along the side telling his wife where to hit her next...drama in the suburbs...ghetto comes in some many colors...I would say...this young girl wanted to irate the mother...until this day...the story was told by those that were there...at no time...did anyone mention that the mother was not disrespecting this woman...OH the battle started because the girl was afraid that the mother and father did not like her and would discourage their son from any further contact with her...so she decided to put some mess in the game...by making a statement... “If... your son leave me... then I will go to the authorities and tell them he had sex with me at fourteen...” how stressful...there are too many girls out there that would take average of the laws of the land...and make it difficult for legitimate arguments or complaints...so to shame only the women that have been found guilty of this trade is necessary for the safety of the community only ...but if these girls are child pros...they are in the streets because of some other factor and deserves our protection...so no their picture should never be posted...

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This comes is near my point, if she lies 2 times then the police get into it, then jail.

Ok not bad, but in this case the guy did not go to jail.
But what if he did?

Here is a guy on trail

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2004/...et_040325.html

If he is in jail... he needs to keep his lawyer busy... hire a investigator... search for other situations in the court with the name of this person... if innocent keep busy to get himself out of that situation...

Thank you for understanding, but Lawyers in Canada seem to be to busy to listen to there clients about guilt or innocents. They have their own automatic plans based on the fact they see coming out of the court information. To get a lawyer to use an investigator you have to have big $$$. This is not like Mattlock The TV Show. In real life there is over a year wait time for the case to start.
Most lawyers let their clients sit in jail and wait for news about the case before they jump on things, no lawyer takes any case personal. There is just to many case to keep them busy.

One thing for sure, if a man doesn't get in situations like that, and avoids the environments that these people frequent, he would not have to go through this nonsense. Hard to get caught up with crap if your at home with the wife. I remember an old saying "If you lie with dogs you will get fleas" Sorry its hard to be sympathetic when bad judgement leads to CONSEQUENCES.

Jackross,

WHERE in Canada are you? Quebec?

Not all lawyers let their clients sit in jail, so do not generalize.

Second, yes, some cry rape when they were not, and that is a shame.

As for this guy….if you are going to get yourself involved in paying prostitutes for sex, then you have to understand a higher degree of risk is associated with that.

Does that make it right? Not at all. But, who is to say that he is innocent? He might very well be guilty.

As for these girls you know, tell the cops.

Or, tell their victims and let their victims report them and/or sue them.

If the Cops and Court System cared about this gray area when it come the girls lying then this project would be dead.

Wow your right, not all lawyers, but give me the names of some good ones to post right here.

It's good to see that you understand that there are girls out there crying rape, and so much more. A crime, is a crime , but with this there is a gray area in the system.

As for most of these case's the girls are not prostitutes, but I understand your thinking.
Alot of the feed back here, show's me a onesided look at the matter, blame the guy for something.......... ummmm not thinking....

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It's good to see that you understand that their are girls out there crying rape, and so much more. A crime, is a crime , but with this their is a gray area in the system.

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I don't think anyone denies that this is happening. But I for one, just don't think it happens all that often. Nor do I think that there are multiple repeat offenders who aren't getting caught.

Jack- All due respect but you keep harping on the fact that these girls are so bad and they are, but why do you keep forgetting that if you didn't deal with them you couldn't get caught up in the bad things they do. As for lawyers, if you pay them they are good if they get you out of a mess. Who does anything for free?

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One thing for sure, if a man doesn't get in situations like that, and avoids the environments that these people frequent, he would not have to go thru this nonsense. Hard to get caught up with crap if your at home with the wife. I remember an old saying "If you lie with dogs you will get fleas" Sorry its hard to be sympathetic when bad judgement leads to CONSEQUENCES.

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YES, this is what the project is about, keeping men out of these situations. Not all men have a wife at home, lucky you for great judgement. You won the Lotto, if not you would be out meeting girls. These girls are not all in bad environments they could be the girl next do

This all go's back to having the right information to make the right choices in life.

Gee, We want to keep young kids safe right?, but when someone gets charged for Rape. They had bad judgement or, in the wrong environment playing with fleas.

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Jack- All due respect but you keep harping on the fact that these girls are so bad and they are, but why do you keep forgetting that if you didn't deal with them you couldn't get caught up in the bad things they do. As for lawyers, if you pay them they are good if they get you out of a mess. Who does anything for free?

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Thank you for the Respect, but please don't feel that I'm harping, but only showing a point of view on a new project that will be affecting the gray area of the system we all trust.

I here your point on the lawyers, and it's a good one $$. (I just wish I had a good list of them who fight hard.)

This Information Database Project may change things or hurt things, so I want to here all the voices out there on this subject. Positive or Negitive

Hello jack:

Have you ever considered that if you make a mistake about publishing the name of one of these bad girls, she can sue you, and take your house away?

Nahhh, you haven't.

excon

The gray area has rights, hopefully this will be the loop hole to that.

Yes, but if the database is setup right it will be public, off-shore, world wide and have safe guards on some cases.

I won't own it, hell even use it, just glad to know it's out there working as an information tool.


I found a group that would love to work on this project.

Hello again, jack:

So, you're going to pay for and set this thing in motion - off shore servers and stuff, and you're not going to own it, or work it. And, it's just going to continue doing the worlds good works, kind of all by itself, for all the guys who have been falsly accused of something.

Have I got it right?? Dude, have you been smoking crack?

excon

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Hello again, jack:

So, you're gonna pay for and set this thing in motion - off shore servers and stuff, and you're not going to own it, or work it. And, it's just going to continue doing the worlds good works, kinda all by itself for all the guys who have been falsly accused of something.

Have I got it right??? Dude, have you been smoking crack?

excon

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excon umm Crack :rolleyes:



No, I found a group that would love to work on this project.

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Jackross]YES, this is what the project is about, keeping men out of these situations. Not all men have a wife at home, lucky you for great judgement. You won the Lotto, if not you would be out meeting girls. These girls are not all in bad environments they could be the girl next do

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If men would take better care of who they were trolling for and not just be animals in heat and take better care who they partner with they don't fall prey to these predators. Your inference that the men you speak of who do get with these predators get what they ask for, TROUBLE. And when I meet girls, I take better care, with an eye toward quality and don't go to bars to get girls, not even before I was married, Don't insult me by putting me the animals you represent.

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This all go's back to having the right information to make the right choices in life.

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This I will agree with.

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Gee, We want to keep young kids safe right?, but when someone gets charged for Rape. They had bad judgement or, in the wrong environment playing with fleas.[/

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Now your catching on. I don't doubt good people get caught up in bad things but generally this is not a case of the wrong place at the wrong time, these men you speak of I suspect were looking to get there rocks off and ran into more than they bargained for. Sorry I have more sympathy for those that get caught up thru no fault of there own, like real rape victims than men looking for nooky.

Ok, I missed something here. I thought this will all theoretical. So you are really talking about setting up a database that claims to list females who falsely accuse men of rape.

You are so confident about this that you plan on trying to protect yourself by using off shore servers and maintainiung some degree of separation from this "project".

I think I agree with excon, man, you are out of control. You are talking about risking the reputation of a woman who may already have been violated because of what is a minor problem at best. I hope you get sued for all you are worth.

Ok, First off do not take this subject as an Insult, if it's too late then I'm sorry.

Wow, I see that your still hung up on proving, that the men made a bad choice in picking a partner, as you make it sound like Low Quality girls hang out at bars, and are known predators. What about the girl Next Door, Do you know her History?

If this was a Rape Victim would you call them Low Quality, and Stupid too, for falling victim to a predator with a Nice Face and a Good Environment, would you ask them if they just wanted to get laid or something... like their rocks off...

You made your point about sympathy, you seem to find blame in many parts of this subject , but that's fair. I wish I could see it your way , but I don't.

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Ok, I missed something here. I thought this will all theoretical. So you are really talking about setting up a database that claims to list females who falsely accuse men of rape.

You are so confident about this that you plan on trying to protect yourself by using off shore servers and maintainiung some degree of separation from this "project".

I think I agree with excon, man, you are out of control. You are talking about risking the reputation of a woman who may already have been violated because of what is a minor problem at best. I hope you get sued for all you are worth.

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I am not interested in Risking or Hurting the reputation of Violated Woman, to me that would be a crime. The Focus is on Proven cases only, I think that the facts will speak for themself, when the time comes.

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I am not interested in Risking or Hurting the reputation of Violated Woman, to me that would be a crime. The Focus is on Proven cases only, I think that the facts will speak for themself, when the time comes.

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Proven by whom? If they are proven then why aren't they prosecuted?

You are on a slippery slope here, my friend. Do you understand what vigilantism is? That's what you are talking about.

If they would be prosecuted, then why the hell would I waste my time on this project & subject. As I pointed out this is a gray area no one wants to touch, can you tell.


Yes I understand the slippery slope of vigilantism, I could lose big, very big if I'm wrong, but if I'm right, Then what? Something many change.

I Don't want a victim to become another victim, please understand.

When Good people Do nothing, then Bad people win.

I'm not saying to do nothing. But I think you are way exaggerating the problem and overreacting with a solution.

Did it ever occur to you that if they aren't being prosecuted it could be because they aren't committing a crime. Or because their victims don't want the publicity of prosecuting.