There are a lot of crazy people running around America and you just never know who the cable man is!
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There are a lot of crazy people running around America and you just never know who the cable man is!
We live on a semi-secluded one-block long, deadend street and my husband is often gone for business. A good friend keeps asking me if I would like to accompany him to the firing range and get a basic overview of guns - I have never fired one.
If I bought one, I would certainly need a class, this I know! And I am aware that if someone decided to mess with me here, the only chance I would have for survival now is to elude them. But then if something like that happened, I know I would live in fear of them returning too. And that is no way to live, frankly.
I keep putting it off, rationalizing that my neighborhood has a reputation of being one of the last bastions of gun-toting rednecks (which has its good and bad points too - see the thread in Etiquette about bad neighbors LOL) and because of that, a criminal would be exceptionally foolish to mess with anyone here.
Its really one of those things I go back and forth in my mind (when I am not ordinarily so indecisive) so this thread has been most interesting and valuable to me.
[B]Val... QUIT dragging your feet! Go with your friend & get TRAINED! The first thing women in particular need to get past is the tendency to 'anticipate' the recoil... which varies with the barrel length, etc. Some basics of other self defence would also raise your 'comfort' and 'confidence' level. You'll feel MUCH more confident & less skittish about it once you're COMPETENTLY trained. FEAR is the most valuable tool a perpetrator has. I suggest you find a great little book; 'Armed and Female'... I forget the author's name... Paxley Quigley or something like that. She is HIGHLY regarded, trains police cadets, does speaking engagements, etc. Just reading her book will add a lot, make you more alert and observant & less likely to become a victim. Safe neighborhood? Don't COUNT too heavily on it! Prepare, train, learn AND pray you never need it!
It is sooo much better to have one and not need it than to need one and not have it! Val, do it!
Thank you Marj Ann for enlightening me on that point! One I will be doing my own investigation into.
The military, and the cops both work for US civilians.
Date:
Fri, 26 Oct 2001 00:30:25 -0400
From:
"Ken Murrell" [email protected]
To:
"American Patriot Friends Network" [email protected]
To United States Citizens:
I am a 10th generation American. My Family Roots go back to Jamestown (the first colony), Virginia. I am also a U.S. Army Veteran (1965-68 Vietnam era volunteer), and I am an x-Criminal Investigator. My point in saying this is, many times I have (taken one step forward, raised my right hand and) sworn to support and defend The Constitution of The united States of America. I love MY Country and MY LIBERTY! I am qualified to point out something very important to all united States Citizens. Our Constitutional form of government is civilian NOT military! My point, the many American Flags we're seeing displayed everwhere today on TV (in the background of Courtrooms, the Halls of Congress, even in Churches and on Religious shows) are military flags! Any time you see an American Flag with pretty gold roping (braid and tassel) added to it, you are looking at a military flag! The very display of a military (Admirality) Flag represents military authority. U.S. Citizens please BEWARE of what you're NOT recognizing. You are being deceived! It's right before your eyes! In January 1961 (just 40 years ago) the farewell message from outgoing President Eisenhower warned America to "beware of allowing a large Military Industrial Complex to come into power." If any person in the world knew what that danger was, President/General Eisenhower certainly knew. He had more experience in such matters than any one man has ever had in the history of our government. All military personnel are trained (brainwashed) to kill. They are not trained to think of YOUR Constitutional Rights. The 'psychological profile' of a marine, a special forces soldier or a navy seal is not qualified to be turned loose on our civilian streets as a law enforcement officer! All U.S. Citizen's need to become tailors. Why you wonder? So that wherever we go, we can each carry a small pair of scissors. Then anytime we chance upon a military flag in a civilian setting we use our scissors to cut the first stitch. Then we proceed to RIP that gold military roping off OUR Flag! If we're going to have a showdown with the military let's get it on now and get it over with! The military, and the cops both work for US civilians. "LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS OATH" I, ("The Cop") , SWEAR that I will support "The Constitution of The united States", "The Constitution of The State of (one of 50) ", and I will faithfully impartially discharge my duties as a police officer/Deputy Sheriff of city/county , according to law, to the best of my ability, SO HELP ME GOD! _______________________________________ (cop) Signature America, our only hope in this matter is that these soldiers and cops are Christians who have a conscience. We must remind each of them of what their "Individual" oath to God really means! Ken Murrell
Geez, as I read this whole thread I have a newfound appreciation for being a canadian. I don't live in fear of someone taking me out.
[B]I appreciate the interesting variation of views; I DO second MAGPROB's observation that what weapons the populous has will matter little against disabling tasers and other FAR more sophisticated weapons now commonly issued to police by their departments [now NATIONALIZED]. The sheer numbers + intimidation factor + SHOCK will basically overwhelm I sadly suspect. The complete dismantling of the u.S. Constitution has been too well & long planned for the 'powers that be' NOT to have a PLAN B for EVERY eventuality. Dumbing us down, removing OUR military, allowing millions of [preditory] illegals who are ALREADY verbalizing their intent to RECLAIM several States, enlisting & PROMISING pillage to gangs, Nationalizing our local P.Ds. arranging for armed, equipped foreign troops to quietly be here and on our 'borders', + MANY other proven factors SHOULD raise a distress FLAG to alert us to the Fact there IS 'Trouble Right Here In River City', folks... we've for the most part been too otherwise-occupied to notice.
The problem I see in the US there are to many people with blinders. They simply do see what is happen. There are not enough police to enforce the law, If you don't have so form of protection, when someone breaks into your home at 3:05Am, don't expect the police to be there to help you, they will show up after you are dead or have serious injuries.
Police do care about you, they only care about writing traffic tickets to steal your money from you. That is use to pad their retirement plan.
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Originally Posted by mr.yet
That's why my friends father died on duty... writing tickets to pad his retirement.
Puts his funeral in a whole new light.
Hmmm for the record I do NOT live in fear either and I don't care much for fear-based decisions either, which is why I am still thinking... all input being gratefully and carefully considered.
This thread points out some interesting differences between the US and Canada as only the US has a right to bear arms clause in our constitution. For the most part citizens even here in the REPUBLIC OF TEXAS take their guns seriously and responsibly and yes theirs always a fear of crime. Nobody carries guns around with them all the time but keeps them at home safely put away from kids. I personally have never owned a gun as I don't hunt or engage in activities or go to places where I need one. Most shootings in our cities can be traced to crime or drugs so unless you indulge in any of these activities then you should reasonably safe. There are always exceptions but I doubt the perception of the US being the wild, wild west is a valid one. There are some who carry their pistols under the carseat or in a shoulder holster but in the grand scheme of things there is more fear than actual need for fire arms, BUT having said that I don't think anyone who is a gun owner will ever let themselves be disarmed by the government. And I agree! :cool: :)
Prissy, go make Elvis one of them fried peanut butter and nanna sandwiches. Wait, make Elvis a whole plate full. Thankya babydoll!
Prissy, you calling me Prissy!! LOL, they actually serve them dang samitches here, believe it or not!
Too funny Magprob!!
FRIED peanut butter and banana sandwiches?? Do people actually eat that? Grosss. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by magprob
Yes, and fried dill pickles too!!
Everything here is fried! GROSS
I'll take a salad with ranch dressing on the side please. ;-)
Fried dill pickles?? Ugh that's even worse LOL!! I think I would die of starvation if I visited there haha.
I have heard though that Tennessee is very beautiful... and I think part of The Green Mile was filmed there... and the outdoor scenes in that movie were really nice. I'd like to visit sometime, just maybe I need to bring my own food! ;)
Fried pickles, nope you haven't lived until you've tried a deep fried Mars bar ;)
Oh wow I just read the link about the Mars Bar and I didn't realize it had been discontinued in the US! We still have it here in Canada... it used to be one of my favorites... but raw not fried! ;)
the second amendment is the right to fry mars bars? =)
Oh my god, you peeps are too funny!
I have been thinking all day (no kidding here) about starting a thread on weird food combos all day, as the cooking forum is just NOT getting enough action!
So shall we??
Sure if you want to... I'm sure others will join in. :)
Second only to food, food is my favorite thing to do and talk about. Let's talk about food... why yes... let's do!
Magprob, you are hereby invited to the weird food combonations a/k/a gun control thread.
LOL, I think you may have been the one to initiate it with the peanutbutter sandwich post.
Well let me lean my A-K against the wall here and I'll just dig right in!
Here's the link to the food thread for magprob and anyone who wants to join in:
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/cookin...lol-27443.html
Have any of you been car jacked.
Have you lost afriend because for gangs and drugs.
Have you lost a brother because he stood up to the gangs.
I don't live in the bad part of town. The town I live in only has 600 people dogs and cats.
But I grew up on the wrong side of the tracks. I never used drugs joined a gang. But I would rather protect me and mine then become another statistic.
That is why I never leave home with out a gun. That is one of the reasons I love living were I do. Nobody bothers me and I don't bother them.
It is like the boy scouts always be prepared.
I was a boy scout.
I personnaly have been shot once and stabbed twice. There will not be a next time.
Everybody should learn to shot a gun and protect themselves.
Amen
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Originally Posted by Demonspeeding_2005
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Originally Posted by CaptainForest
Turning my argument around on me eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Demonspeeding_2005
I don't want this to become a heat religious discussion, but…
I have seen people on American TV saying that is was their god given right to go in and invade Iraq.
What?
How these people can know that god has told them to do a or b is beyond me.
Invoking god's name like that only serves to marginalize him.
Does god exist? I don't know, but who is to say he would be on America's side and not Iraq's?
America killed innocent civilians, isn't that against gods wishes?
But I digress…
The point I'm trying to make it that the right to bear arms is given to the citizens by the government, NOT god. Americans have such a right, Canadians do not (that is, in the constitution).
Would you guys like a sandwich?
I just had a sandwich.
For breakfast.
Go to the bible dictionary and look up armeagedon.
It says in the bible dictionary there will be war to end all wars.
Maybe we started that war who knows.
Look it up in the king james version of the bible.
Enough about religion or we will get this thread closed don't want that it is a very good read.
I am so sorry this has turned out to be a religious post, I did not mean it to go that way. We all have our own opinions, even though they may not agree, but that is what makes each one of us different.
I was mainly interested to see how gun control has helped to increase crime in other areas of the world.
Religious thread department is two doors down and to your left, boys! :D
Praise the Lord and pass the pickles!
Read the last line of post 70
I don't want this thread to close it is a good one.
Fried pickles are good but you can keep the banna and peanut butter sandwiches
The Police over here have only been armed a relatively short time but the number of "accidentals" is incredible.
If these had been U.S police I honestly believe they would have been prosecuted.
My only reason for this is from the films and TV movies where U.S. police have had to kill in "line of duty" and had one hell of a game proving their innocence or reason for killing.
The story of Jean Charles - the Brazilian electrician working in London - who was dragged out of his seat on the Underground train, pinned to the floor, face down (therefore of great danger to the police and public?? ) and had 8 (eight) bullets pumped into his head is pretty well known throughout the world.
On this occasion the police have been found not culpable - to the best of my knowledge with no reason or cause being given.
Since our Police have had an armed division they have LEGALLY murdered :- - a man with a table leg wrapped in paper (the calibre of the table leg was not specified but was deemed a threat) - another man walking with the girlfriend of a known or suspected criminal ( threat undetermined ) - a man whose home the police broke into where they found him naked in bed with his girlfriend- jumping up in alarm (wouldn't you? ) he was shot dead as being a threat.
If this were the Keystone Kops or something, the funniest one (and I don't mean in the comical sense) was the poor ******* in London driving a red Mini who was shot and killed because the car he was driving looked like the suspected one that the police were looking for. (How many red Minis in the country in those days?? )
Then last week the police break into the family home of a "suspected" terrorist, who apparently hearing the commotion in his own home - goes down the stairs and gets shot point blank in the chest.
He did not die -- but I am NOT taking bets on the police getting prosecuted even with a LIVE witness this time.
Therefore Mr Average American -- think yourself lucky - at least you have the chance of firing back at the B******s - we do not -- AND it is illegal to carry even a Knife here. It's a good job there aren't many pipe smokers around these days with those lethal weapons they used to carry around to clean the bowls of their pipes.
P.S. ----- A day or so after the brazilian guy fiasco - the Chief of the Metropolitan Police told us our thoughts should be with the poor armed Policeman who, like all our armed police -- were VOLUNTEERS!!
Sorry -- but to my mind this means that ever trigger happy Clint Eastwood , Charles Bronson etc, etc, is volunteering to shoot who the hell they like with (so far) complete immunity.
Although the majority of these killings have been declared unlawful - as yet no one has been prosecuted.
Funny old world " Innit "
Yeah it's too bad how threads often go off topic. I've had a couple of threads I've started get closed because of religious fights in particular. That seems to be a particularly heated subject, even more so than politics.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_9
Well as you've heard myself and other Canadians say, in Canada I don't think gun control has increased crime, here at least. My opinion, from experience in the foster care system, is that crime is increased by poverty and the drug abuse, gangs, etc, that often results from kids being raised in poverty. At least that seems to be true where I grew up.Quote:
I was mainly interested to see how gun control has helped to increase crime in other areas of the world.
This might be one of my fav quotes of all time... and that's saying a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by magprob
Sorry Orange - but they will keep sticking the head over the parapet and it is just too tempting.Quote:
Originally Posted by orange
I will try to refrain in future.
PROMISE!! ;)
Haha well it's not your fault, Jonegy... lots of people contribute to the arguments, and it's usually only when it gets nasty that they are closed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonegy
KP have to spread some more love, so I will say:
Can I have some of those pickles please?
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