Has God created beings on other planets besides Earth? And if so, are there also sinners in those worlds?
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Has God created beings on other planets besides Earth? And if so, are there also sinners in those worlds?
I am not sure why this is posted under Christianity, since Christianity deals with earth and the relationship of people on this planet and their relationship to Christ.
The bible does not address any other planet except for the new earth to be created after this planet is destroyed.
so from a christian, does not matter, if there is, there is, if not, nope.
And we can not determine if there are sinners or not, if Adam had not sinned there would not have been sin on this planet.
I will attempt to enlighten you as to the reason I posted this question here. The reason I posted here was because I was thinking that Christians probably would be the most knowledgeable about the subject. However, if I was wrong and, in your opinion, I shouldn't have posted here, please forgive me. Now if you would be so kind as to point this poor ignorant soul in the right direction to a forum where this question would be more appropriate, I would be most grateful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck
In my opinion, it is a perfectly relevant question to Christianity.
Not relevant to you eternal salvation, but relevant for curiosity's sake none-the-less.
Sin is inherent to humans. So when you are talking about other "beings" are you referring to humans or beings in a general sense?
With the information that we have from the Bible, your question cannot be answered with any degree of certainty. We can surmise though. In my opinion, the universe is a pretty big place for just one lonely planet. I personally believe that there are other planets with humans doing pretty much the same things that we are; trying to become more like God, our Heavenly Father. I don't dwell on it though. I try not to make guesses as to the nature of God's plan. Fascinating to think about though.
[QUOTE=Auttajasi]In my opinion, it is a perfectly relevant question to Christianity.
Not relevant to you eternal salvation, but relevant for curiosity's sake none-the-less.
Sin is inherent to humans. So when you are talking about other "beings" are you referring to humans or beings in a general sense?
First let me thank you for not making me feel like my question was out of place here, as Chuck did. I would imagine that God could create beings other than human, maybe in His likeness, or maybe not. I would like other Christians views on the subject.
No problem. Care to enlighten me with what you believe regarding your posted question?
Only god is without sin. So, if there were other beings, they would be sinners too, because only god has the perfection of no sin, so if there were other intelligent species somewhere, I hope they've found god too, for their own sake.
Funnily enough, I used to toy with the idea of god being an alien, like two years ago, but that's a silly theory, because he created us in his own image.
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Originally Posted by cal823
The angels were created sinless and those who have remained faithful to God, two-thirds of them, remain sinless.
Also, if there are other material intelligent creatures who were created sinless as mankind was, it doesn't necessarily follow that they have fallen into sin via disobedience as we have. In fact, wouldn't it be ironic if we were the only ones who have?
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Originally Posted by Starman
Haha wed be literally one of the most evil races in existence then
I think the Creator has populated many worlds with life, but I doubt if they are christians.Quote:
Originally Posted by rr man
Why wouldn't they be? Wouldn't god want everyone to be with him? He cares about everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Well, I guess not christians, because christ was on earth...
It would be a very humbling experience to find out that we are since we tend to consider ourselves the epitome of God's material creation. In fact, our disobedience might seem incomprehensible from their standpoint--totally illogical perhaps and instead of us having to teach them they might have a great deal to teach us in terms of being obedient to our heavenly Father.Quote:
Originally Posted by cal823
If they are imperfect like us, they mite even declare a crusade for all we know
Let's say that there are other human populated planets out there. Let's say, for argument's sake, that they are God's children, and Jesus is their Savior (he died for everyone's sins right?). If this is true, then we may very well be the most evil of all of God's children because WE crucified Jesus Christ. What if it was predestined that Jesus was born on THIS earth so he WOULD be crucified, thus dying for our sins and completing his atonement?
Is it possible that Jesus was referring to these other people in John 10:16?
"And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd."
Or is He just referring to other people on OUR planet?
Interesting! Maybe there are other people out there, which we will one day meet in gods place
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Originally Posted by cal823
Declaration is one thing. Being able to carry it out is another. God doesn't take kindlly to interference in his plans for our Earth and mankind. The disobedient angels who are far more powerful than any material alien tried during Noah's day and were soundly defeated.
Satan and the Fallen Angels Frames
Excerpt
In Genesis, the sixth chapter, we read of the conditions of that time. "And it came to pass, when men (humans) began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, that the Sons of God (angels--Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7. Note: they are different from the men of verses 1 and 2) saw the daughters of men, that they were fair, and they took them wives of all which they chose." (Genesis 6:1,2) Here we learn that during the time from the expulsion of Adam and Eve from the Garden of Eden, until Noah's flood, some of the angels materialized fleshly human bodies and became fully involved with mankind. They became enticed with sin, and sinful desires.
"There were giants (Hebrew: Nephilim) in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the Sons of God (angels) came unto the daughters of men (humans) and they bare children to them (a hybrid, mutant race, part human, part angelic) the mutant offspring were giants, physically and mentally superior to humans, yet they were brutish, sensual, violent and immoral, and they were all males. It is likely that the various mythological figures of some ancient cultures are distorted stories of these very Nephilim, and the condition of society prior to the great deluge,which destroyed them all.
They did? Can u tell me where in the bible this is?
There are several ways to understand the scripture referring to other sheep that are to be brought into the same fold. One is that it referred to the Gentiles which were to be brought into the Christian fold along with the children of Israel and that this unification began with Peter's preaching to the Roman centurion Cornelius.
Another interpretation is that this other sheep are those who have a different reward from the heavenly one. They are said to be the ones who will dwell on a paradise Earth instead of living forever in heaven.
Then there is the interpretation above which seems to indicate applicability to creatures and humans of other worlds.
One very important thing to keep in mind is that Jesus' Ransom Sacrifice was specifically given for Adam's descendants. Nowhere is provision made for his sacrifice to be extended to intelligent aliens or even humans who might live on other worlds since they are not of Adamic stock and Jesus' sacrifice is specifically said to apply only to those who inherited Adam's sinful nature.
In Adam All Died, In Christ Shall All Be Made Alive
"Through one man [Adam] sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men because they had all sinned." (Romans 5:12)
This is not to say that those who might sin on such hypothetical world have no way out if they have sinned. This is only to say that if they have sinned then another sacrifice specific to them has to be provided.
What the Bible account describes below is the attempt by Satan and other rebel angels to genetically contaminate mankind via interbreeding. In that way they felt that the chance for the Christ to be born would be made more difficult. The giants mentioned were the halfbreeds. Half angel half human offspring of this unnatural union.Quote:
Originally Posted by cal823
Genesis 6: 1-8 Original KJV:
1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the LORD said, My Spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
So I take it that you believe there are christians out there?
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Originally Posted by talaniman
I believe that if there are intelligent creatures out there made in God's image they will have to accept Jesus as universal ruler in order to gain eternal life. In other words he need not have died for their sins in order for them to owe him allegiance.
Colossians 1:15-18: By Jesus Were All Things Created
The firstborn of every creature: for by (Jesus) were all things created that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers; all things were created by him, and for him: and he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
I think this is a very christian question. Or there are two questions, are other planets populated and did god populate them. I understand that the majority on this site are Chritian but is it not a question dependent on your beliefs? I believe that other planets are populated because I feel its very unlikely thet out of all the planets ours is the only one with life! (I'm not atheist by the way :) )
Here is an article recently published that sheds a lot of light on our question from a scientific point of view.
Planet-hunters find bonanza of new solar systems - CNN.com
For those that just want the highlights:
28 new planets found outside our solar system in the past year
Scientists: There could be billions of habitable planets out there
Four of the solar systems have multiple planets
"Our home is not a rarity in the universe" says astronomer Geoffrey Marcy
Scientists estimate that 10% of the 200 billion starts in our galaxy have planets that are habitable. With hundreds of billions of galaxies out there, scientists estimate that there are billions of habitable planets in the universe
Here are a few key points about life on other planets and Christianity...
Only God is without sin
God sent is ONE AND ONLY begotten Son to die for our sins (here on Earth)
The Bible says that man is do die once (and only once)
So if there is life on other planets, they have not, and cannot, be saved. God only had one Son. And He already died for OUR sins.
Do you think they could be christians if the had antenae, 6 arms, and wings and flew in space craft that would put ours to shame?? Do you think they know of our God?? Would you try to convert them if they didn't, or would they be heathens?
just remember, the first sinner wasn't adam and eve. It was the devil who introduced sin to the human race, so we didn't invent sin. For all we know, if we met aliens, for all we know we could corrupt them with our sin, if they aren't already afflicted with it.
_|__|_The Bible makes no mention of beings on other planets. However, I don't think there is a man alive who could unequivocally say NO. Sin befell this world as a result of the sin committed by Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. Only Adam and his progeny carry the curse of sin (transgression of the Law of God). That being the case, people on other planets (if there were people on other planets) would not be charged with sin unless one of two factors were present. 1) If people on other planets were somehow related to Adam or 2) If God gave those on the other planets His same Law and they willingly and knowingly broke His commandments in the same manner that Adam and Eve did.Quote:
Originally Posted by rr man
I wouldn't want to be the one to call a bug eyed monster a sinner.
Human beings of the family of Adam. Lions and tigers don't sin. Bacterium don't sin. They just do what they are programmed genetically to do. Adam has the ability to create, play music, paint pictures, etc. However, Adam man disobeyed a direct command and, thus, transgressed God's Law. The definition of sin is the transgression of the Law. What's important isn't whether other beings are sinners or not but that Adam and his posterity are sinners and that, through faith in Jesus Christ, we have a pathway out of the consequences of sin which is death. Through faith and belief in Jesus Christ, we can have everlasting life in the Kingdom of our Father which is in Heaven.Quote:
Originally Posted by rr man
I think it would be kind of fun to call a bug-eyed monster a sinner (if he was a slow runner that is).Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Interesting but not pertinent from a Christian perspective. That's not to say that since I am a Christian that I'm not interested in science. God is the author of all knowledge but knowledge of other solar systems won't save a person's soul. Faith and belief in and obedience to Jesus Christ is all the really matters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Auttajasi
I can't fully agree with you. Yes, God is sinless because God is perfect. However, sin is the transgression of the Law. A wolf cannot transgress the Law; therefore, a wolf is not a sinner. Also, just because a being is imperfect doesn't necessarily mean that it is a sinner. Imperfection and sin are not perfect synonyms. "Sin" literally means "the transgression of the Law." I kind of understood your point though, so no worries.Quote:
Originally Posted by cal823
Interesting. The Creator is God. God has a triune nature i.e. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. God the Son is Jesus Christ. If God created other beings on other planets and those beings were aware that they were the "created" and that God was the "Creator," then they, like us, would love and worship Him in His complete nature. Therefore, they would be Christians.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Christ transcended time and space and there's no reason to believe that He could not have visited other planets. However, it is really pointless to ponder that which is unnecessary to ponder. I shall move to another thread. Enjoy.Quote:
Originally Posted by cal823
Being Christianity is a man made institution, I think it unlikely that you'l find it elsewhere in the universe. Not until they let Christians on space ships, that is.Quote:
Therefore, they would be Christians.
The human population on our planet has increased tremendously over the last 200 years. So much so, that only 40 years ago, we had less than half the people on the planet than we have here today. Each second, we are adding almost three people to the earth. In other words, we are increasing our population by 170 people per minute, 10,000 per hour, and an astounding 240,000 per day. In October of 1999, we broke the 6,000,000,000 humans barrier. Is there life on another planet? Only God knows.
Jeff
Since Christianity is a belief system based on information that God gave to man and since Chrstianity is system of belief based on obedience to God and since God, Himself, in the body of the Man, Jesus Christ (Christ = 100% God & 100% man) preached the gospel and drew men into that belief system, then one can only conclude that Christianity is a God made institution. By the way, I think it highly unlikely that you will find atheists on other planets.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
The only ones who conclude that, are other Christians, and even under the best circumstances the non-christians who do outnumber christians are just as fervent in there own belief being god sent, which is what any human would say about whatever they believe. I present the possibility of finding atheist among other planets, before you'd find christians, just as a matter of course.Quote:
then one can only conclude that Christianity is a God made institution.
I'd just like to correct some of the terminology being used in this thread. "Other solar systems" makes no sense. It's called the solar system because it's the planetary system around Sol, our sun.
I'm not sure I agree with you talaniman on the atheism on other planets front, if there is a greater being, surely other intelligent beings would have a similar inkling that we seem to have about what created the world.
Of course, if you're saying that God is a human construct, then it's a product of the way our minds have evolved that makes us susceptable to religious thinking, and other beings may not have that kind of wiring.
I think intelligent life on other planets is almost certain given the statistics of the situation and what we have observed so far.
"Just think, if there was intelligent life on another planet, and they look at us, and see the dog in front of us and WE are picking up THEIR crap, the dogs are going to look like the dominant species"
-Jerry Seinfeld
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