It is a Christian point of view that everyone sins.
Since sin is considered evil does that make everyone evil?
Peace and kindness,:) :) :)
Fred (arcura)
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It is a Christian point of view that everyone sins.
Since sin is considered evil does that make everyone evil?
Peace and kindness,:) :) :)
Fred (arcura)
Hello arcura,
Did Jesus not say "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone' I think when the crowd were about to stone Mary Magdalene to death?
The reason he said this I believe is because no man (or woman) is without sin.
If sin is evil and everyone sins, I can only assume that God & Jesus must be pretty lonely in Heaven as presumably no sinner can enter the Kingdom of God and as we all sin none of us can go to Heaven.
Like most things in the Bible, this is open to interpretation. I personally believe it is the degree in which we sin, the frequency and harm we do when we sin. Quite probably the pleasure we get from committing those sins are also taken into account.
I also believe that, according to the Bible, confessing your sins and asking forgiveness for the sins we have committed allows us entry into Heaven. However I am not so sure about that. Does this mean that before Hitler took his life and if he asked to be forgiven for the evil acts he was responsible for, and what he was about to do (commit suicide) he was forgiven and allowed to enter Heaven.
I am afraid I hope not.
This of course only my thoughts on your question.
I hope they make sense.
Cy
poseidon,
I understand what you are saying.
I believe that God will be the judge of who goes to heaven and who does not.
I also believe that heaven is not a lonely place now because I believe there are many thousands saints there already.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
Of course we are evil... we are man. We would all be damned to Hell if it weren't for Jesus Christ.
However, I believe it is said that there is no sin greater than another. A sin is a sin is a sin. It is not "okay" to commit certain sins just not others. You don't need more "hail Mary's" because the sin you committed what greater than the last or the next.
I agree with most of what you are saying, but I wonder about 1John 5 16-17. Witch talks about a sin that is unto death and a sin that is not unto death. I would say, yes it is never okay to commit sin however; it seems that some sins can do even greater damage to you relationship with God.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrJizzle
I don't believe in the mortal/venial sin theology... If this is what you actually are describing from the 1John passage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wangdoodle
I see the "sin that does not lead to death" as: Someone or something we should pray for - ex. A brother/sister may be sinning occasionally but you pray for them to be repentant -& they are.
Sin that leads to death is continuous unrepentant sin from a believer also- But God, to stop the person from sinning, takes his life.(physical life)
That's all I wanted to answer now- Have a good evening.
Yes, everyone is evil - that's why you should not make friends or marry as they are all evil.
I believe that we are evil in ways. I don't believe that we are EVIL.. but believe that we make poor choices and sometimes cause evil things. So Yes and No. This is a really hard question.
Here is a good example. My brother has a bb gun and about 1 year ago shot at the ground about 2 feet from me. We said he made a stupid choice, but he is not stupid. He has A's and B's on his report card.
Kriscool
Kriscool,
You have made a good point.
I agree that mankind is not evil even though men and women do evil things from time to time.
If we WERE evil through and through I think God would not be willing to save our souls.
Peace and kindness,
Fred (arcira)
This is an interesting post and I have read through everyone's responses. If you don't mind arcura, I would like to piggyback some queries to extend the discussion. These thoughts have always bothered me regarding men and sin.
I think everyone is in agreement that all men (women) sin. The degrees to which we sin are not really the issue for me. I am wondering what everyone's thoughts are on this:
If we all sin, and we are all made in God's image, then it would stand to reason that he sins (or sinned) too. How do we reconcile that? Is that possibly how our souls are able to enter the Kingdom of Heaven because no one is without sin?
I don't believe that sin and evil are equal at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
Let's look at the 7 deadly sins. Although each of them may drive someone to do evil things, I don't think any of them in moderation on their own is evil, however some do believe they are all sinful.
Wrath, Lust, Greed, Envy, Pride, Gluttony and Sloth. None of these are evil on their own. They do not hurt anyone, they do not take advantage of anyone, They are just pure emotions. The things that these sins may drive someone to do however, could be evil.
Discuss?
Capuchin,
I agree for the most part that those sins you mention seem less harmful than what they can berth into. But you know that still the Bible calls sin evil. We don't sin in a vacuum & a lot of times others are affected by the consequences of our sin. Right you are, in our lust (sin) one can actually harm another & give them an STD; a sin of gluttony can have harmful effects to others by eating all the food & letting someone else starve.
While there are six things that the Lord hates, seven are detestable to him:
haughty eyes, lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devise wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush into evil, a false witness who pours out lies and a man who stirs up dissention among brothers. (Proverbs6:16-19)
So, It isn't that we are evil per se, it is the action(sin) that is evil since we all have free will. Now depending on the outcome of those actions- full-blown sins can look like very evil deeds. Whether the person is now considered evil-yes, I believe that there is an extreme where a person is controlled by Satan, to do his will and they are evil.
All of us sin.
However God forgave us all from our sins before we ever made them.
All we must do is except Jesus Christ as our savior, and ask for forgiveness of our sins and we will be forgiven. That's it, really simple huh! Well that's my belief.
No ,it does not make you evil . When you sin its absolutely normal unless its premeditated sin which is usually thought about over and over and again. If you sin and you are sincerely sorry and want forgiveness you go and ask God to forgive you if you really mean it. This sometimes could take a lot because if you are in bondage of something those walls need to be torn down.
Example:Say you go out to a club and you drink, smoke or whatever you then go home and realize that you have done wrong in Gods eye.You ask for forgiveness and he forgives you.The rest of the weekends for the entire month you find yourself still going to this place or doing whatever it is you do .God going to wash his hands clean with you. Now it takes a lot of time for that to occur because of time in Gods eye.
*Let me know if you want to understand a little deeper.*
RubyPitbull,
I think you missed the point that God made man in His image BEFORE man fell into sin.
Man used his "free will" to disobey God.
God can not disobey Himself.
Peace ans kindness,:) :) :)
Fred (arcura)
LOL, now you tell me.
Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
RubyPitBull said "If we all sin, and we are all made in God's image, then it would stand to reason that he sins (or sinned) too. How do we reconcile that? Is that possibly how our souls are able to enter the Kingdom of Heaven because no one is without sin?"
Genesis 1:27 says, "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them." The word "image" in Gen. 1:27 means "likeness, resemblance." This does not mean that we are clones of God. Deuteronomy 4:35 states, "You were shown these things so that you might know that the LORD is God; besides him there is no other." Genesis 1:27 is stated by God prior to the fall of man. Genesis 2:17 says, "but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die." God is clear here in stating that sinning will result in spiritual death. When Adam and Eve sinned, they felt exposed & ashamed which resulted in the spiritual death. Their relationship with Father was tarnished and would not be the same anymore. The first sin has passed on to us and future generations. God gave Adam and Eve a choice, but they chose to be deceived by Satan. We are not any different today. But God provided a way out by offering a perfect and sinless Lamb to replace our sins. God made it simple for us--Follow the ten commandments and accept that Jesus paid our debts on the cross and offers salvation for free. God desires to spend eternity with us, because He loves us to the infinite degree.
cocoagirl,
The point is that God made man in His image BEFORE man fell into sin by disobeying God.
God cannot disobey Himself.
Therefore there is no foundation to the thought that God sins.
Peace and kindness,
Fred (arcura)
Compare to a sky without clouds represents our basicnature- clean heart a source of all goodthings, the time a person stands with god. He can express his soul through spiritual actvitivities.otherwise dim. It totally depend on the situation , choosing jesus or satan.
nasar,
Yes it does!
Peace and kindness,
arcura (Fred)
Bible+comonsense=RIGHT ANSWER.
I hope that others on here will bear with me it seems that I have some catching up to do I have recently come to this forum and am still learning to navigate it. This is the first discussion I have spent any real time reading through and I have really enjoyed reading the opinions expressed. I saw several statements that I would like to put my two cents worth in on so I'll try to make it brief.
BTW I am already impressed by the respect shown the viewpoints of others here.
God made man in his image in that he made man a spiritual being as God is a spiritual being.
DrJizzle I agree with you a sin is a sin is a sin all will send us to hell if we die in our sin. (without repentance) However there is one and only one that is unforgivable… That is Blaspheming, Grieving, or Denying (they’re all the same thing) the Holy Spirit.
RubyPitbull God is perfection He cannot sin. Let’s take a very simple example Lying… I have a black telephone on my desk (really I do) I’m in conversation with God and he tells me it is white. Is he lying to me? No because he who spoke a word and it came to be has said it is white therefore the phone is no longer black it has become white.
Welcome chaplain john!
I enjoyed you post.
You make a good point.
Peace and kindness,
Fred (arcura)
In the Image and Likeness of God
Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.” 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. (Genesis 1:26-27)
Its easy to be a sinner than to be holy... GoD does not ask us to be HOLY but to somehow AVOID committing sins... If we are created in HIS likeness, then I assume we are also GOOD inside... it is US and not HIS likeness that makes us commit sins... maybe out of curiosity, or peer pressure or short to say, an outside force that makes us commit such sinful acts...
Just my point of view... Peace
pretty_in_pink
The thing that is a basic cause of us sinning is concupiscence.
Concupiscence is a subject worth much study.
Desire that is good vs. desire that is bad and much more.
Peace and kindness,
Fred (arcura)
I disagree, cheese and peanut butter are not such an appealing mix.Quote:
Originally Posted by nasar
It is the Flesh portion of us that is hardest to control. It says Sin feels GOOD and wants to do it. The trick is to build up the Spiritual part of us through fasting, prayer, and reading God's word until we can by the power of the spirit and with the help of God"s Holy Spirit overcome the desires of that flesh. Thus having accepted the gift of salvation by grace offered by Jesus, which was bought at such terrible cost to him, we can strive toward holiness.Quote:
Originally Posted by pretty_in_pink
Compare to other religions, this is only a christian point of view that every body is sins. Soul, mind, and body these 3 joining in human being. In the level of soul every one is pure gold. But in level of mind thoughts and knowledge about surroudings and also ego came . Possible engage in good or bad activities then happen, mainly bible mention about this in a possibility level, Bible is a religious text with different type of explanations is possible some particular subjects.
No it is very clear that He (Jesus) never sinned. We are all made in his image, but we screw it up by sinning. Sin is what comes between our relationship with Jesus. All have sinned and fell short of the Glory of God... I went years understanding this logically or in my mind. When I was 33 I finally understood this in my heart. When you really want to know the answers that you have for God, just ASK HIM. Believe me he will answer.:)
krystal1973
Very goo post.
God answers yes, but one must listen closely for He speaks very softly most of the time.
Peace and kindness,
Fred (arcura)
I am a Christian so don't get mad. But when he was young didn't Jesus push another kid off the roof and then bring him back to life? I am not too sure where I heard this, and also think that if he did there was a reason for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by krystal1973
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That is not in the Bible. That may be a story from an apocryphal gospel. It is not from the word of God.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt3046
Of course, he's God, he can make people forget that such a thing happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wangdoodle
That's how I see it going anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesus
Matt, This may have been just a story that you heard when you were little, but it is no where to be found in the Holy Bible. You will never find one occasion in the bible where Jesus sinned. He did kick some tables over when he was older, but of course he was doing it for a reason, but he never pushed anyone off a roof.
What? Where do you find this in the Bible?Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt3046
You should hold your tongue about such things especially when Christians are supposed to know that Jesus was without sin-and he took on all our sins for us at the cross.
I don't appreciate false testimony about the Lord. We are commanded not to lie.
Rev.22:15, Outside are the dogs, those who practice magical arts, the sexually immoral, the murders, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
Christians should repent from any blasphemy against Christ In my opinion!
Blasphemy... and from a Christian too...
Anyway, everybody sins at some point in life. But does that make us evil? No. Jesus (for those of you that believe in him) died for all of uor sins. Our sins can be repented, and therefore, be forgiven. Jesus's death on the cross is a reminder to Christians to attempt to do good unto others. If you sin, all's still good, just make sure to mention it during confession. Otherwise... when you die, you go down there.
well, if you read the bible, there is only one way into heaven.
it clearly says "I am the way, the truth, and the life, and there is no way to my father, except through me"(jesus said this)
also, ruby pitbull, we were made in his image, but sin was introduced to us after god created us, by the devil, in the form of the serpent, by using temptation. Since then, we have been tainted by temptation and sin, and heavens doors have been closed to us, for we have all sinned.
yet, through gods amazing love, he sent his son to Die for us, for our sins, he basically went and said "okay guys, im going to get tortured on a crucifix and die, then go to hell, and serve all of your sentences in hell for you, as a proxy, so you can all go to heaven, you just gotta accept what i did for you, and accept me"
How devil can entered a holy place like heaven.
Did anyone here say he did/does?
Read JobQuote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Edit: Sorry, I didn't mean to be brusk I'm a little short for time this morning.
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