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  • May 31, 2010, 11:58 AM
    dirttyvampire
    Do demons excist?
    U may not believe me but I think there is a demon in my house and I'm scared to death. If you know any thing about 638 Reeves rd please tell me!! Please I'm desprate to know!! Thank you.
  • May 31, 2010, 12:06 PM
    NeedKarma
    Demons are in your mind not your house.
  • May 31, 2010, 01:03 PM
    dwashbur

    They do exist. I've encountered a couple, and don't care to encounter another one. One was actually in a house we lived in and harassed my daughter until we got a group of Christian friends together to drive it out. What specifically makes you think there's one in your house?
  • May 31, 2010, 01:28 PM
    Fr_Chuck

    I am assuming since you posted this in Christianity, that you want a christian answer. While this will vary by religious denomination, many from the Penticostal to Catholics all believe they exist and even have rules or procedures to rid a house or a person of them.

    Now with that said, it happens even in those groups that accept them, very rarely.

    So why do you believe they are there? What is happening.

    Have you discussed this with your pastor of your local church
  • Jun 1, 2010, 07:15 AM
    Hope12
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dirttyvampire View Post
    u may not believe me but i think there is a demon in my house and im scared to death. if u know any thing about 638 Reeves rd please tell me!!! please im desprate to know!!! thank you.

    Hello,

    1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devil

    Revelation 12: 7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

    8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

    9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.


    Psalm 106: 36 And they served their idols: which were a snare unto them.

    37 Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils


    Mark 3: 22 And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.

    There are more scriptures that prove demons excist. Please seek help by first praying and asking God to help you. If you are sincere, God will help you get rid of them. You can also pray outloud using God's name Jehovah. Psalm 83: 18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.

    Proverbs 18: 10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower: the righteous runneth into it, and is safe.

    James 2: 18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my f2aith by my works.

    19 Thou2 believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

    20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

    Draw close to the true God, He will protect you.

    Hope12 PS: All scriptures are taken from KJV of the Bible
  • Jun 1, 2010, 11:24 AM
    classyT
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Demons are in your mind not your house.

    Not so. They are very real according to the Bible.
  • Jun 3, 2010, 02:23 AM
    paraclete
    Hi classy

    demons do exist and I assume that you are subject to an oppression. It is possible that a demon exists because of something that has happened in the house, but it is just as likely you have inadvertently opened yourself to the oppression.

    So the standard things are.

    repent of all sin in your life and of all sinfull acts which might have occurred in the house

    Ask for inspiriation

    renounce all the acts of satan, even if you have already done this, and reaffirm your commitment to Jesus. Remember he who is in you is greater and you have the authority of Jesus

    anoint the doorways with oil which you have consecrated, if the demon appears to be in one room only anoint the corners of the room and pray in each binding the demon and ordering it to leave. Read appropriate scriptures aloud. Do this in the company of other Christians and if possible invite your pastor

    play praise music in the house
  • Jun 3, 2010, 06:15 AM
    classyT

    Paracelete,

    I'm not struggling with demons myself. BUT I agree with EVERYTHING you just said. I once got a book I believe it was Breaking the Bondage Barrior. I don't remember... but he lists all different ways we allow Satan access to our lives. Things we would NEVER think of... at least I didn't and the author said to repent and renounce it.
  • Jun 3, 2010, 06:16 AM
    NeedKarma
    How do demons select who sees them?
  • Jun 3, 2010, 06:16 AM
    classyT

    dirttyvampire,

    Even your user name is cause for pause. THINK about it.
  • Jun 3, 2010, 06:30 AM
    classyT
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    How do demons select who sees them?

    I don't know. But they are real and people who dabble in the occult should be leary of giving them a foothold into their lives. Course if you go to Gettysburg there are all kinds of stories concerning spirits being actually seen. I do NOT believe they are human IF they do exsist. The Bible is pretty clear that after death the human soul and spirt are ushered eilsewhere.
  • Jun 3, 2010, 06:42 AM
    NeedKarma
    Is it only Christians that have demons then?
  • Jun 3, 2010, 06:58 AM
    classyT

    Not at all... I think more people who are NOT Christian have more problems with demonic activity.

    It probably sounds silly to someone who doesn't even believe in demons.. but tarrot cards, ouji boards... all of the opens a door.

    In the OT Israel was forbidden to mess with witches and the occult and the NT says they are alive and well and not to give them access to your life.
  • Jun 3, 2010, 06:59 AM
    JoeCanada76

    Well fear and anxiety actually feed whatever energy you are giving these creatures whether they are real or not.

    Fear can create your own hellish experience no matter what religion or non religion or culture or back ground. Fear is something that wants it has that control over you it will only get worse.

    Learn how to let go of that fear, face up to that fear and know that it can not harm you unless you let it. That will be your saving grace.
  • Jun 3, 2010, 07:13 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Jesushelper1976 View Post
    Well fear and anxiety actually feed whatever energy you are giving these creatures whether they are real or not.

    Fear can create your own hellish experience no matter what religion or non religion or culture or back ground. Fear is something that wants it has that control over you it will only get worse.

    That is what I was referring to in the first reply in this thread, that demons are a product of the person not the house.
  • Jun 3, 2010, 07:20 AM
    excon

    Hello v:

    There are no demons. There's no heaven or hell. There's no ghosts, goblins, tooth fairy's, santa clauses, luck, god, devils, werewolves, or vampires. But, Christians think there are. Oh, well.

    excon
  • Jun 3, 2010, 07:23 AM
    classyT

    NK and JH,

    We are not giving a SPIRIT of fear, but of love, power and a sound mind. 2 Timothy 1:7

    So we can conclude that a spirit of fear is NOT of God. It does have torment.. the bible says it does and we know from personal experience it does.

    But to suggest it is ALL in the mind isn't so. There are demonic spirits out there, they do roam around they can enter a person. The bible is clear on the subject.

    But I agree that one should make sure it isn't just fear.
  • Jun 3, 2010, 07:25 AM
    classyT
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello v:

    There are no demons. There's no heaven or hell. There's no ghosts, goblins, tooth fairy's, santa clauses, luck, god, devils, werewolves, or vampires. But, Christians think there are. Oh, well.

    excon

    There is NO santa?. geesh you have ruined my day!! :D

    Well ex, Christians THINK so because the bible says it. :p
  • Jun 3, 2010, 07:27 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by classyT View Post
    Well ex, Christians THINK so because the bible says it. :p

    Morning, T:

    Yeah. I've read some books too. Noooo, I don't believe everything in them.

    excon
  • Jun 3, 2010, 08:19 AM
    JoeCanada76

    Whether it is real or not Classy, how you react and whether you feed into the fear or not will determine if it will be a major problem in the persons life.

    And yes people create negative effects and negative situations by their fear. That is just the way it is.
  • Jun 3, 2010, 08:19 AM
    JoeCanada76
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    That is what I was referring to in the first reply in this thread, that demons are a product of the person not the house.

    Wish I could rate you. I agree completely...
  • Jun 3, 2010, 08:31 AM
    dwashbur
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    That is what I was referring to in the first reply in this thread, that demons are a product of the person not the house.

    What's your authority for this statement? I've actually encountered one that was in a house, though I suspect I know how it got there and yes, it was a person who made it happen. Still, when he left, the demon stayed. And it harassed my 4-year-old daughter for close to a year before we were able to get rid of it.
  • Jun 3, 2010, 08:34 AM
    dwashbur
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Is it only Christians that have demons then?

    No, they can bother anybody. The NT doesn't make any distinction between what some theologians call "possession" and "oppression." It just uses a general word that translates to "demonized." That's why staying close to the Lord is important. Well, one of the reasons...
  • Jun 3, 2010, 08:51 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dwashbur View Post
    No, they can bother anybody.

    The weird thing is that those who don't believe is supernatural beings don't report a problem with demons.

    What is your authority is proving that a demon was in the house harassing your daughter?
  • Jun 3, 2010, 05:23 PM
    dwashbur
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    The weird thing is that those who don't believe is supernatural beings don't report a problem with demons.

    What is your authority is proving that a demon was in the house harassing your daughter?

    What kind of authority would it take to persuade you? I suspect no amount of evidence would be enough, or you would find some way to explain it away. My direct experience, as well as that of my daughter, was enough to convince me of what was going on. If that's not enough for you, then I'm not going to bother.
  • Jun 4, 2010, 02:14 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dwashbur View Post
    What kind of authority would it take to persuade you? I suspect no amount of evidence would be enough, or you would find some way to explain it away. My direct experience, as well as that of my daughter, was enough to convince me of what was going on. If that's not enough for you, then I'm not going to bother.

    See, that's the same as I can give you when you asked about what authority I had.
  • Jun 4, 2010, 04:41 AM
    classyT

    NK.

    See, I'm not buying that people who do not believe in demons don't ever get bothered by them. I am SURE they have and it has changed their minds.

    I'm not the type of person who runs around trying to find a demonic spirit behind problems in my life. I think that is just as wrong as not recognizing they are alive and well.

    But I think many unbelievers have been bothered by them just because you don't know any.. doesn't make it not so.
  • Jun 4, 2010, 05:17 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by classyT View Post
    But I think many unbelievers have been bothered by them just because you don't know any..doesn't make it not so.

    That works both ways too, just because you say it or a 2000+ year old book mentions it does not make it so either. If you do a search at this site you'll notice that believers are the sole ones affected by "demons". Isn't it odd that non-believers are not represented?
  • Jun 4, 2010, 05:26 AM
    excon

    Hello:

    You and I look like were the same people - but we're not. We dress the same, and we speak the same language, but we AIN'T the same... YOUR world is NOTHING like mine. We might as well be living on a different planet.

    I cannot imagine a world, where you could be driving down the street, and a demon causes your car to hit a tree. If I hit a tree, I'd know it was because I wasn't driving so good. You? Not so much.

    I cannot imagine a world where a ghost is living in my house and doing dastardly things to my family. I cannot imagine a world where I had NO control over my life, but was at the effect of any old ghoul or evil monster...

    Nope. I cannot imagine living in a world like that, and I'm SOOOOO glad I don't. Wouldn't you like to come over to MY world?? It's SAFE from those things over here.

    excon
  • Jun 4, 2010, 06:01 AM
    classyT

    Ex,

    You THINK it is safe in your world... and I KNOW better. :D

    I have never seen a demon in my life nor do I intend to. But just because I can't see them doesn't mean they aren't there. Heck I can't see molucules either!. There is a spiritual world out there. I can't prove it... but I believe it by faith.

    The difference between you and me is this.. I don't have enough FAITH to believe this world just happened. I don't have enough FAITH to believe we evolved from tadpoles or something... I believe in the Creator and I believe the Bible. And because I do.. I believe there are angels and there are demons. I have never encountered either and I never ever blamed any sin I have committed on the Devil nor my reckless driving on a demon.
  • Jun 4, 2010, 06:03 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by classyT View Post
    You THINK it is safe in your world ...and I KNOW better.

    If someone says they feel safe and are happy you tell them that they aren't and that you know better? Really? Explain please because the arrogance in that is astounding.
  • Jun 4, 2010, 06:16 AM
    classyT

    NK,

    Well you know me, I'm arrogant and passive aggressive. Ex knows I'm teasing him...
  • Jun 4, 2010, 06:16 AM
    NeedKarma
    So you're not going to answer?
  • Jun 4, 2010, 06:41 AM
    classyT

    NK,

    I was REALLY and TRULY teasing Ex. I meant no harm... I don't think he took it the wrong way. Ex you CAN chime in here whenever you want. Did you take it the wrong way?

    BUT... just because someone believes they are safe doesn't make it so. Just because someone doesn't see danger coming.. doesnt mean it isn't. I'm not suggesting demons are around the corner for Ex. I have been trying to get him over to my side since we became friends on this site. I want him to believe in Jesus Christ, I want him to go to heaven. Is that arrogant?
  • Jun 4, 2010, 06:42 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by classyT View Post
    I want him to believe in Jesus Christ, I want him to go to heaven. Is that arrogant?

    What would you say to someone that wants to convert you to atheism to save you from purposeless worshipping?
  • Jun 4, 2010, 06:44 AM
    excon

    Hello again, you guys:

    Here's the rub. I'm trying to rescue T from the scary world she lives in, and she's trying to rescue me from the scary one I live in. Go figure. I think we're doing that for the same reasons, too. I want the best for her, and I think she wants the best for me.

    But, I'm not going to stop proselytizing, and she isn't either.

    excon
  • Jun 4, 2010, 06:48 AM
    classyT
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    What would you say to someone that wants to convert you to atheism to save you from purposeless worshipping?

    If what I do is puposeless then what have I lost? What will YOU lose if I am right and you are wrong?
  • Jun 4, 2010, 06:54 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by classyT View Post
    What will YOU lose if I am right and you are wrong?

    Nothing. So let's carry on then.
  • Jun 4, 2010, 07:09 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Comments on this post
    ClassyT agrees: Yeah... but I see YOU caving... ;)
    Hello again, T:

    Let's meet in Cancun. The first one with a religious experience switches.

    Excon
  • Jun 4, 2010, 09:51 AM
    shannongilmour

    Hello, I sympathize with you because I had demons follow me for over 12 years. I searched for answers outside of God's word, and I even turned to mediums and phsycics for answers other than taking this to God in prayer.

    The one thing I'd like to stress and this is the example in scripture that we are to have nothing to do with familiar spirits and that includes demons.

    Many authors and public figures show by example that we can 'entertain' evil, and 'control' it but the fact is we are not strong enough. The only way we can find victory, deliverance is through the victory of the Cross. ( The means of the cross)

    Personally, if you want freedom, then ask God for it, ask Him to show you the areas of where there is sin in your life that causes evil to manefest itself. Whatever it is, repent, and turn away from it. Keep your house clean as scripture describes, but do not keep it empty. Fill it with the knowledge and love of Jesus Christ. Once you posture yourself upright against God's word and His son, your life will change and you will see for yourself 'resiste the devil and he will flee.'

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