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The tribulations are coming some day.
What do you think could happen that would cause the entire world to live in hard times and fear.
Could it be world wide drought?
A very wide spread world war?
Or something such as a comet striking the moon and sending millions of pieces flying in eccentric orbits to deteriorate and fall to earth like rain over many years?
Think of the problems and fear something like that would cause.
What do you think??
:)Peace and kindness,:)
Fred
We've been living in the tribulations for over 2,000 years.
Wondergirl ,
Yes, to some extent I agree, but I was speaking about the 7 years of tribulations near the end of this age.
Thanks for your input.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
Maybe we're there already in those final seven years -- tsunamis, earthquakes, ethnic cleansing, wars and skirmishes, mudslides, avalanches, floods, forest fires, climate changes, disappearing animal habitats, endangered and disappearing animals and insects... shall I go on?Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
Wondergirl,
What you have described has been going on for thousands of years.
But the bible talks about what looks like stars falling from the skies near the end.
We have had meteor showers for thousands of years but nothing like a constant rain of meteors and meteorites like what I speculated.
That would cause many more earthquakes and even start heavy volcanic activity, also many many giant ocean waves and forest fires.
The devastation would be scattered all over the planet.
People who survived would be living in constant fear.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
We have all that now and more -- and more often -- with more and more fear. We may be in the last seven years, Fred.Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
Just wanted to ask,Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
About the stars falling and meteors, would not that end every living thing?
Does that also last for seven years?Or is that right at the end of the tribulation?
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firmbeliever,
Not as I described.
The stuff knocked off the moon would be in millions of pieces mostly grains of sand to bowling ball size which would eventually his earths atmosphere and burn up before hitting the earth.
Other pieces the size of houses would cause damage.
All the pieces in eccentric orbit would eventually fall to earth and to the moon over time, perhaps years.
Actually it all depends on the size of the comet or asteroid that hits the moon.
If it was several miles big that would cause even more damage to this planet.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
arcura
But RC never teaches that. I thought according to them The Book of Revelation is metaphorical and the tribulation is already over. Because according to the Bible a Rapture first happens and that marks the beginning of the seven year tribulation. But the Rapture according to you is a hoax. So why isn't the rest a hoax?
Wondergirl
The Rapture is not a hoax it has strong scriptural base. I was asking arcura why he believes only a part of the scripture and leaves out the rest.
Part of one verse?Quote:
Originally Posted by inhisservice
inhisservice,
Believe as you wish.
But this question is about the tribulations at the end of the age.
What do you think they will be like?
Peace and kindness,'
Fred
Fred,Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
Could you please explain to the rest of that are not as enlightened as you claim to be where you get this theory?
Are you writing science fiction Fred or trying to paraphase Revelation.Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
The Book of Revelation is very clear regarding the Tribulations. War, Famine, Pestilence, Earthquakes, catastrophies originating on Earth and in the heavens. I could carry your scenario into asteroid or comet strike 8.9, 8.10 more than once, mass extinction 16.3, coronal mass ejection 16.8, extreme weather events 16.18 and ultimate judgement. These events are so powerful much of the Earth is destroyed
450donn,
Please read the question.
I referred to a possible comet or asteroid stick on the moon sending millions of moon particles into eccentric orbit that would decay and relentlessly strike the earth over years.
Paraclete you got the picture fairly well. I was speculating that an asteroid or comet strike on the moon could cause much of what Revelations tell us.
What do you think could trigger the tribulations?
Peace and kindness,
Fred
Read the Book of Revelation Fred these things are the judgement of God. It begins when his patience runs out. It takes something really outstanding to darken the sun, Fred. An asteroid strike on Earth could do itQuote:
Originally Posted by arcura
paraclete,
Thanks but I have read Revelations.
Yes your suggestion could do it.
I'm wondering about other things that might trigger the tribs.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
Fred, if you are going to use the Bible, please use it correctly, It is Revelation not revelationS. Or the REVELATION OF JOHN.
It is the tribulation not tribulationS
If you had actually read and studied the Revelation of John and the book of Daniel you would know more than the words. Before a person can speak on a subject this profound with any sort of authority it takes a lot of time understanding what it being said. This cannot be accomplished by sitting under the teachings of only one person or religious organization. You will get a jaded prospective and never see what is being taught. Especially if that teaching is coming from only the head of that religious organization.
450donn,
Your ussumptions are way off base and...
You ar nit picking about word use.
I chose the word tribulations I used for a reason.
For I think the tribulation time will have several effects or disasters.
I case you can not see I think for myself .
Peace and kindness,
Fred
OK Fred, I give up what Assumptions are way off base. That you have no understanding of the last days or that you have never read or studied the Revelation of John? If you had actually read and studied the prophesy in Daniel about the last days and studied the book of Revelation with an open mind instead of the closed mind you are stuck with you might understand that we have not yet entered the tribulation period. The restraining force that is holding back Satan and the false profit is the Church of Jesus Christ here on earth. When the trumpet sounds and Jesus calls his people out of this world, that will signal the start of the Tribulation. This is not a second coming as you so mistakenly try to assert. Then and only then Satan will loosed to run wild for a period of 7 years. The first half will be relatively peaceful. It is not until he breaks the treaty with Israel at the 3-1/2 year mark that things really get bad. This is when the plagues will be unleashed upon the earth. Culminating in the battle of Armageddon. After that, with Jesus sitting on his throne in Jerusalem, all people both the living and dead will be reseructed and judged according to their deeds. Those who's names are found in the book will be judged worthy and will be with MY Lord for all times. The rest will be sent to hell, Hades, purgatory what ever you choose to call it. It will be the lake of fire to be tormented for all eternity. Satan will then be bound for a thousand years. After that time he will be loosed upon the earth for a period. At the end of that time he will then be defeated and cast along with the false Prophet into the lake of fire. Believe it, don't believe it, I really don't care. That is what the bible teaches, so I choose to believe the bible!
What you are seeing in the world today, wars, earthquakes, volcano's are all signs that point to the end. They are all foretold in the Bible as signs of the end of this age and the beginning of the next period, the tribulation.
450donn,
I think you just don't get it from what I say.
I was speculating about what could trigger the tribulations from a nature point of view.
I KNOW what the bible says. I KNOW that tribulation time is not yet and won't be for many years because of unfulfilled prophesy.
I am not a believer in the rapture, but apparently you are.
So be it.
We'll just have to wait and see.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
OK Fred I will repost my comments about the signs of the end of this age for you;
What you are seeing in the world today, wars, earthquakes, volcano's are all signs that point to the end. They are all foretold in the Bible as signs of the end of this age and the beginning of the next period, the tribulation.
Since NO ONE knows the hour or the day of the end of this age, I really do not understand how YOU can make false claims that the end is so far off?
What exactly prophesies have not been fulfilled yet? As I see it everything that was prophesied has been completed. As I am typing this another hugh earthquake has been reported in South America. So this is another sign of the end of this age In my opinion. But I understand that you don't believe this because the RCC does not teach the end of the age. Sad really.
Haven't there been wars, earthquakes and volcanos since the dawn of man, for thousands of years? What makes these recent ones any different?Quote:
Originally Posted by 450donn
NK,
As long as you are asking out of curiosity I will be glad to answer. The bible speaks about earthquakes in Strange places. Don't you think Chile is sort of strange? Volcano's and there is another one rumbling to life In South America. Wars and rumors of war. The middle east comes to mind, but there are rumors of wars across the earth. Israel deciding to increase building in the disputed areas of Jerusalem is another sign I believe. Especially after Obama's snubbing of Israel during his last trip to the region. I am reminded of what happened to the United Kingdom in the last 100 years. Once the most powerful and richest nation on earth when the UK turned it's backs on the Jews God turned his back on the UK and in less than 100 years they have gone from a position on immense strength and wealth to one of mediocrity on the world stage. Singularly they can be written of as nothing of importance. But collectively they In my opinion point to the last days before Gods pours his wrath upon the earth.
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Originally Posted by 450donn
Google volcano + ring of fireQuote:
Originally Posted by 450donn
[QUOTE=450donn;2270032] Wars and rumors of war. The middle east comes to mind, but there are rumors of wars across the earth.{/quote] See my first post, you haven't answered anything there.
How about the American invasion of Iraq, was that a sign to you? If not, why?Quote:
Originally Posted by 450donn
I have no idea what the UK story explains. The US is also wallowing in mediocrity but you don't mention that.Quote:
Originally Posted by 450donn
You really haven't made any valid argument here.
450donn,
There was no need to repast that.
I already know it as I said.
The main prophesy still to be fulfilled id the building of the third temple.
Though funds are now being collected for such the Muslims are in control of the Temple Mount and unlikely to allow the building of the temple soon.
Also because NO IRON can be used in the building thereof it will take many years to build it and cedars must come from Lebanon.
My MINIMUM guess for construction is at least 50 years but more like 100.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
The building of the temple does not occur until after the rapture. We have discussed that before and it is apparent that you do not believe that Israel has already collected many of the tools and utensils needed for sacrifice. They have also discovered the original placement of the temple and the Dome of the Rock is not in the way. The authorities have discovered very recently that the original location is a bit North (I believe) of the dome. So there is no interference. In a one world government system that will occur after the rapture Lebanon will be under the control of the one world ruler. As such the cedars will become readily available. And like I said before, under a single ruler system the resources could be made available build any structures that are to be built in very short order. Actually that last hurdle was very recently overcome. The special blue dye used to dye the priests robes. The formula has been lost for centuries and a small sample was actually found. Now, using modern technology the actual formula has been determined. Guess what, the end is Near. Far nearer that you are being led to believe. Maybe you need to get out of your bubble and start listening to teachings on the last days from knowledgeable people outside the RCC. Or is that another law you cannot violate?
What I was trying to explain to you was how a government who turns it back on Israel is doomed to extinction. Same for the US or any country. It has happened countless times throughout history, The UK being the latest example. The US can not be far behind with our current leaders policies toward Israel. I do not disagree about the ring of fire. However the ring has been relatively quiet for many centuries. Now it is rumbling to life. So if a region or tectonic plate system has been quiet for 100,000 years and now is coming to life what does say to you? What do you believe then if these signs are not signs of the end of the age? I have been open, so how about you for a change?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
450donn,
That is IF the rapture takes place which I and a great many others do NOT believe in.
The ring of fire has not been dormant for centuries. During the last few centuries as before it has had periods of activity and quiet just like right now.
It is unlike Yellowstone Park which has not erupted for many centuries.
The history of the ring of fire is easily available.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
450donn,
You are arguing for a rapture in the near future because this is something you wish to happen. Others don't feel the same way.
NeedKarma,
You have made a very good point.
Most Christians do not believe in the rapture for they believe it is not biblical theology.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
Fred you are not in the position to tell a non Christians what most Christians believe in, the rapture is entirely Scriptural so perhaps you should say it's not Fred's theologyQuote:
Originally Posted by arcura
paraclete,
Sorry, but I very much disagree.
The rapture is a hoax and NOT biblical although some folks have put together SELECTED verses in an ATTEMPT to sell that theology.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
Fred, lets be completely honest. You and YOUR brand of religion choose to ignore the truth as found in the bible on this subject. So why do you ask questions then? Your brand or religion may or may not be "most" You cannot say for sure. I ask you once before to open your eyes to the teachings of scholars that study this subject and have more than a passing knowledge about the rapture and the end times. Why don't you for a change and then come back with at least some semblance of knowledge on the subject.Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
So you have finally made public your true feeling about God and the Bible. If the rapture is in your words a hoax, then the whole bible must be a hoax. Is that how you truly feel?Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
By selected verses are you referring to the books of Daniel and Revelation among others?
I just wanted to say I've read the whole Left Behind series, and it is such a nice concept of the rapture and the tribulation. It is very detailed and it makes you think a lot. Such a scary time to be around on earth, but I believe it will happen. Just hope and pray I won't be around to experience it first hand.
Fred that is rich coming from a member of the RCC. Your theoolgy is based on selected verses, this is why you have priests, why you have circumcision, why you have purgatory, why you sprinkle children and call it baptism, and you dare to tell us that beliefs contrary to your position are a hoax. There is more reason from Scripture to believe in the rapture than most of your dogmaQuote:
Originally Posted by arcura
paraclete,
Sorry, but The Church believe the entire bible not bits and pieces as you claim.
That is why I became a Catholic. I formerly believed as you do.
I know better now.
Fred
I was merely pointing out the 450donn that the "facts" about earthquakes and volcanoes he uses to back up his claim are erroneous. There is no increased activity. People believe what they want to believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
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