It seems to me that there may be several reasons Jesus established The Church.
:confused:How many reasons can you think of as to why he did?:confused:
:)Peace and kindness:),
Fred
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It seems to me that there may be several reasons Jesus established The Church.
:confused:How many reasons can you think of as to why he did?:confused:
:)Peace and kindness:),
Fred
I see no where that Jesus established ANY churches. He was a homeless teacher. A person that traveled from place to place teaching salvation.
Matt 16:18
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
(KJV)
(Please, let's not get into the arguments about petros and petra here as it is not germaine to the question)
You see in this scripture that Jesus said He would build His church.
It was established on a particular day of Pentecost when the Holy Spirit filled 120 believers. (Acts ch 2)
He establshed it to be his representative on Earth after His departure back into Heaven. Not one man, but a Church that would do the same works that He Himself did while here on Earth.
galveston,
You are right and that is one of the reasons I was looking for and In thought of it.
But...
I think that there are more reasdons.
Thanks,
Fred
We are a big family of God. Heb.10:14 says that by one offering, God
Has perfected forever those who are sanctified by the offering of Jesus
Christ on the Cross of Calvary. We are family and as family, it is the
Intention of our Father that we dwell together in unity. "Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for the brethren to dwell together in unity." Ps.33:1 Our heavenly Father loves seeing His kids together in
Unity with all their personalities and characteristics. When God's people
Under the direction of the Holy Spirit move in unity we can storm the
Gates of hell and make a lasting permanent impact. The prayer of unity
Was Jesus prayer. Satan intends to disrupt the unity of the family,and
In the church but there is power in unity. This is just a part of what
The Lord wants for His Church. Learning and growing together in unity.
Love and Blessings, Maggie 3
Maggie 3,
That was very good and it is sad that the church has splintered into thousands of denominations some at angry or hate filled attack on others.
I'm sure that Jesus wanted much love, peace and kindness in a unity of His followers.
It is another reason of why Jesus establish The Church which He call "My Church".
I think that there are other reasons also.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
I think a better question Fred is what did Jesus understand as the Church he established.
The meaning of Church is the called out ones and we know he called out the Apostles with the intention they should call us out. We don't see any structure other than the model of itinerant ministry, preaching and healing the sick. This model is far from what we have now.
Jesus wanted the message of salvation spread throughout the world. He didn't tell the Apostles to build buildings so we could have meetings and have them more abundantly. His model was to preach on the hillsides.
paraclete,
I asked the question as I did for a reason.
Your suggestion is another and different.
Why not ask it.
I'm still looking for more answers with reasons some may think of.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
Christ established HIS church upon a rock of love. It was what Peter had revealed to him by the Father in Heaven. And it is what Peter did confess, love for Christ Jesus, the begotten Son of God.
The love for Christ Jesus, the grace of God for mankind.
Note the number of times Peter had to proclaim his love for Christ. Three times! Spiritual Significance of the number 3 is completeness. We see the number 3 uses in scripture many times to confirm, and testify of spiritual completeness.
John 21:15-16-17 Feed my sheep!
I agreee with this last paragraph only in part.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Jesus taught in the synagogues until the leaders there made Him unwelcome there.
Paul always went to the synagogue first, and when they rejected his message, he preached every place that he had an opportunity.
Worship is best with others of like faith in a group setting.
Witnessing is done outside the church walls, one on one, or maybe preaching on a street.
Unless you live in a place where you are persecuted, then you do whatever you are able to do, and leave off some things you might like to do.
sndbay,
You have made some excellent points.
Thanks much,
Fred
In order to gain power and prestige and lord it over people, some churches claim that Peter was the rock that Jesus built his church on when he said upon “THIS” rock I will build my church.
Matt 16:18
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Was Jesus referring to Peter as being the rock?
Or was Jesus referring to himself as being the rock just as he was referring to himself as “THIS” temple at John 2:19
John 2:19
Jesus answered and said to them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."
Consider too:
Matthew 21:42
Jesus said to them, "Have you never read in the Scriptures: 'The stone which the builders rejected Has become the chief cornerstone.
As back then, they still reject Jesus.
Ephesians 2:20
having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone,
Also consider:
If Jesus established a church, which one could it be? Is it possible to find the real church among the 2000 or so false ones? Are you able to eliminate any?
Well, look at some very very basic truths and see if any of them rule any churches out.
Luke 22:24-26
And there arose also a dispute among them {as to} which one of them was regarded to be greatest.
And He said to them, "The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them; and those who have authority over them are called 'Benefactors.'
But {it is} not this way with you,
(If Peter was above them, this would be a lie)
Romans 12:19
Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God; for it is written, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord."
(Any church that fights back does not have faith in God taking vengeance)
Matthew 24:24
"For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.
Galatians 1:8
But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.
(Any church that teaches opposite is obviously not the one)
2Peter 2:1,3
But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you… And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed … By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words
(It is not as if the church as an organisation will be safe)
1John 3:10
By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.
(You can clearly see if they are from God or the Devil, no matter what they say)
Matthew 23:9
And don't address anyone here on earth as `Father,' for only God in heaven is your spiritual Father.
(Any church that requires you to call their priests “Father” is obviously not the one)
1Corinthians 9:5
Do we not have the right to be accompanied by a wife, as the other apostles and the brothers of the Lord and Cephas?
1Timothy 3:2
A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife,
(Any church that does not allow it's priests or bishops to marry is obviously not the one)
Philippians 4:5
Let your gentleness be known to all men
(Are they known for their gentleness? If not, they are not the one)
Proverbs 27:2
Let another man praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips.
(What does the world say about them? Or are they the ones praising themselves)
Revelation 02:10
Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw [some] of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.
Romans 12:17
Repay no one evil for evil
1Peter 2:20
But when you do good and suffer, if you take it patiently, this [is] commendable before God.
(Are they prepared to die for their faith, or are they prepared to kill for their faith)
2Corinthians 5:5-7
God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
So [we are] always confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord.
For we walk by faith, not by sight.
(Do they believe the guarantee or do they need idols to walk by sight?)
2Corinthians 06:16-17
And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will dwell in them And walk among [them]. I will be their God, And they shall be My people."
Therefore "Come out from among them And be separate, says the Lord.
(Does the church have idols? If so, they are obviously not the church of God)
Acts 17:29-30
Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man's devising.
Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent,
(The days of ignorance were already over, no longer would it be acceptable to need idols to walk by sight. The real church has no idols. Most churches think Jesus is God and they hang a tortured figure of him everywhere.)
Matthew 10:8
Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons. You received without paying, give without pay.
(Do they get paid for their spiritual work?)
(Worse still do they ask the people they preach to for payment?)
1Corinthians 9:18
That in my preaching I may present the gospel free of charge,
2Corinthians 11:7
Did I commit sin in humbling myself that you might be exalted, because I preached the gospel of God to you free of charge?
Micah 3:11
Her heads judge for a bribe, Her priests teach for pay, And her prophets divine for money. Yet they lean on the LORD, and say, "Is not the LORD among us? No harm can come upon us."
(Did they collect money to get you to heaven?)
(Do the priests get paid to teach?)
(Do they claim they are God's church)
I could go on for days. It is easy to see if the church you are looking at meets ANY requirements of God.
So, should you believe them if they say Peter is the rock? Should you believe them if they say Peter handed the keys down to them? There is a huge gap between Peter and the founding fathers of Roman infiltrated churches so there is no way anyone can claim such a thing anyway.
BUT, by their action you will know if they are children of God, or children of the Devil, therefore, you will know if they are the church of God, or the church of the Devil.
Newton, I trust Peter was what his name signified, because in the time frame taking place then, names of the bible were given to signify their integrity. It indicates they never fall back from this interpreted meaning.Quote:
Originally Posted by I Newton
As Christ means "anointed"
As Peter means "rock"
As Jabez means "sorrow"
(the list goes on and on)
So Peter was as his name indicates, unyeilding rock or stone, and from what scripture has written, Peter was shown spiritually signified unyeilding in his love for Christ Jesus. (John 21:15-16-17) This love for Christ was what Peter was told to feed the sheep.
However, that does not mean that any denomination can claim to be of Peter (nor should they desire this of heart), or take on what was spiritually witnessed and written in scripture concerning Peter.
Furthermore, in full assurance, Peter was never the corner stone of the church foundation. There are many others who are named Peter in the scripture, and none of them are "THE ROCK" written of in 1 Corinthinas 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
Any denomination that would say they drink of Peter would have left their first love "Christ Jesus"
~Confessed faith in the begotten Son of God, Jesus Christ
I think that's a pretty fair point sndbay
I Newton,
Well over 1 billion Christians believe that Jesus established The Church and appointed Peter as its first leader.
They have the right to believe as the wish just as you do.
So PLEASE do not use your belief as a means to bash the several denominations that believe the Peter was the fist leader of The Church just as the bible clearly says.
Thanks,
Fred
I can only state what the Bible says and can only answer people's questions from the Bible.
I cannot comment on what churches teach their followers.
The number of people that believe something means nothing when it comes to what is real.
Quantity is not proof.
The proof is in the pudding; what does the actions of their church say about the origins of their church?
It is very simple.
Fred, The question I would have in this statement that Peter is the first leader, is whether you are in belief that Christ is the Master. You must know that Peter did call Christ, Master.Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
I believe Christ is the Master, and would be called leader. (Matthew 23:10) From what scripture says Christ is the Master and all other are brethren. (Matthew 23:8)
Master is the greatest of all commands of the law! Because it holds true to love for God above all, and is the first commandment. (Matthew22:36)
Peter being one of the 12 disciples, he is among brethren that follow Christ.
Luke 6:40 The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.
And scripture says those that are perfect, or sanctified meet with what Our Master can use. This goes with following righteousness. And Fred, you with Wondergirl have said you do not believe any are righteous, and that all men are sinners.
Scripture showing that Christ our Master can not use sinners.
2 Timothy 2:21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.
I trust nothing on this earth of man other then Christ can be considered our Master or leader. Peter himself was told to feed the Master's sheep. And we follow Christ, He has the led!
Matthew 20:16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.
I firmly believe what the bible says about Peter being appointed the first leader of what Jesus called "My Church".
If you do not that's sad.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
I firmly believe we are to follow Christ, and there is no sadness in doing so.Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
Jesus said in (John 10:7) Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
And Christ said His sheep hear His voice. There is no other way then to follow Christ as HE is the leader and Master.
John 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
The One body and One spirit is what we as members are called to in One hope. Christ dwells in us, the Holy Spirit is with us.
We are not called to follow Peter, but we should follow Christ as Peter did. The truth is what Peter would feed the sheep. The sheep hear Christ' voice. The Spiritual Truth that came to us in the flesh, the Word of God.
~in Christ
It seems that all of Matthew is dedicated to telling the story of how a ‘Church’ was started. In fact this wouldn’t be quite right. All of Matthew is telling how authority of ‘old Church’ is transferred to the new Church. It’s a story told much like the movie the Dirty Dozen.Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
In Matthew we are told who was selected to become ‘Princes’ of this new Church; how the ‘Twelve’ learned by Christ’s example; how the Twelve went out into the community to train under Christ’s tutelage; when they were commissioned; what they were commissioned to do. Mark and Luke are more historical in this regard. While not as explicit as Matthew these Gospels seem to reinforce the ‘formation’ of the Church in a witness format. John seems to add a spiritual element in the quartette, lets us know that Christ isn’t GONE; Yet a little while and the world sees me no more. But you see me: because I live, and you shall live. (John 14:19) He’s present every day in the Eucharist.
JoeT
sndbay,
Yes, I do follow Christ every way that I can and being a member of His established Church is one of the important way.
Joe's post is right on the button about this.
Please and kindness,
Fred
And what I believe by following Christ, is that Christians can be unity unto One Faith. It is one of the seven written vocations in the book of Ephesians that surround Christ Jesus in spiritual perfection.Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
This is not achieved just because someone is a member of a certain denomination, that came to be a member with one church following each other as members. (The Disciple Peter was a member that followed Christ the Master, and proclaimed that christians follow Christ.)
This is achieved by being a member of the ONE Body, ONE Spirit, ONE Hope, ONE Lord, ONE Faith, ONE Baptism, ONE God and Father.
The One Body that Christ was on earth
The One Spirit that is the spoken Word of God by the Holy Spirit
The One Hope that Christ brought to us
The One Lord that Christ is of the soul
The One Faith that is confessed in begotten Son of God
The One Baptism that buries us with Christ
The One God and Father that Christ was raised to sits on the right hand
I trust in the Spirit of Truth written that says until each of us can be unity in knowledge of the Son of God unto a perfect man, do we achieve the measure of stature in the fullness of Christ.
I do not believe in gathering with sinners or sinning, because Christ brought division between righteousness and evil. Do NOT entangled again with the yoke of bondage with sin and satan is written in (Gal 5:1)
Instead we are to yoke ourselves with Christ. Christ's body and blood brought us righteousness, and faith unto the perfect man. And that perfect man follows Christ in the light of righteousness having the spirit. Dead, Buried and Raised with Christ as one with Christ. Then we are one with Christ just as Christ was One with the Father. (John 17:9-10-11) Christ did pray for us that are not of this world, just as He was not of this world. (John 17:13-14-15)
In (John 8:23-24) it is written how those that sin are from beneath. They that don't follow Christ, they that follow man as the Jews did in following the Pharisees.
Refer:
John 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ
~child of God
Haven't you just said , ”Careful to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4 One body and one Spirit: as you are called in one hope of your calling. 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism. 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in us all,” i.e. ONE CHURCH? (Eph 4:3-6.)Quote:
Originally Posted by sndbay
Shouldn't your list of One-ness simply be 'One Church' i.e.
1. One body
2. One Spirit
3. One hope in
4. One Lord
5. One faith
6. One baptism
7. One Father above all, through all, in us all
How do we explain these without 'Church'?
JoeT
The church are members, a gathering of people. Each are giving the vocations to follow. (vocations means divine invitation to embrace salvation of God)Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeT777
Acts 14:27 And when they were come, and had gathered the church together, they rehearsed all that God had done with them, and how HE had opened the door of faith unto the Gentiles.
Glory is shown to God for opening the door of One Faith, and it is the members that gather to follow, and confess their belief in the begotten Son of God. (Acts 19:18)
John 5:15 The man departed, and told the Jews that it was Jesus, which had made him whole.
The vocations surrounding Christ in spiritual perfection can makes us whole (metaph. teaching which does not deviate from the truth).
Mark 5:34 And he said unto her, Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace, and be whole of thy plague.
So by saying this are you saying that ALL churches other than your brand are false? Or are they simply irrelevant because yours is the ONLY true religion?Quote:
Originally Posted by sndbay
This doesn't make much sense to me. A vocation doesn't make a 'Church'. Acts 14 tells us that they had arrived in Antioch and there they 'assembled the Church'. That is an organization that keeps the unity of the Spirit in Christ, “One body and one Spirit: as you are called in one hope of your calling. One Lord, one faith, one baptism to One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in us all.” I call this ONE CHURCH, what do you think? If we find ourselves in 'unity with Christ' then we accept One, Holy, Universal, and Apostolic Faith in Christ - that's a given, it's like the New York Yankees saying they are part of the St. Louis Cardinal team because they play baseball - it don't work that way, dem Yankee boys don't even speak English. . How are you ONE if each has his own idea of what ONE means, what HOLY, means, what CATHOLIC means, and what APOSTOLIC teachings means. This isn't ONE; it's the anarchy of 'the one is me'.Quote:
Originally Posted by sndbay
A Christ centered vocation is described as a special gift (grace) in the Church of Jesus Christ. "Vocation is an affection, an inward force which makes a man feel impelled to enter the religious state, or some other state of life" (Lessius, De statu vitæ deligendo, n. 56). This may be as simple as entering into marriage or answering the call to a religious vocation. A vocation is to accept a state of life received from a Divine source. Unfortunate for our idea of 'Church' as a body of those with vocations is that vocations may be part of a Divine plan to bring the individuals outside the KIngdom of God to Christ through lifes pursuits.
Quote:
John 5:15 The man departed, and told the Jews that it was Jesus, which had made him whole.
The vocations surrounding Christ in spiritual perfection can make us whole (metaph. Teaching which does not deviate from the truth).
Mark 5:34 And he said unto her, Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace, and be whole of thy plague.
John 5:15 doesn't deal with vocations; rather it deals with Christ's healing. Christ makes the man 'whole', he's told to get up and take his bed with him. The significance here is two fold. One is that it was the Sabbath and was forbidden to do work which raised a controvertible issue of Law – that is to carry his bed. The second occurs later when vesting the Temple (i.e. Church) the man finds Christ, unperturbed by the criticism from the Pharisees he comes to understand who Christ was and the power that was in Christ. Christ didn't say, 'take up your bed and get yourself a vocation' nor did he chastise him for attending 'Church'. Christ sent the man on his way warning him not to sin or worse would happen to him – obviously a reference to losing salvation.
So, how are we made whole with multiple bodies, different Spirits, different hopes in, differing Lords, having multiple faiths, multiple baptisms, and One Father above all, through all, in us all?
JoeT
I have a hunch that SndBay would answer this much differently. For me however, in reference to the ONLY true religion, I'd give you an enthusiastic yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by 450donn
JoeT
No, If you mean by brand (denomination). And please understand I do not adhere to any denomination because, denominations are what man has formed and origanized. What is more important is whether the church organization follows the Christian Faith. No matter what denomination, it would need to be one of Christian Faith for me to consider attending.Quote:
Originally Posted by 450donn
The non-denominational church of Christian Faith is considered a gathering of people adhered to the Word of God, and confessed ONE Faith in the begotten Son of God Christ JesusQuote:
Originally Posted by 450donn
450donn,
Like Jesus said, He came not to bring peace but division. (Luke 12:51). The division was between righteousness and evil. I am not willing to judge people, but do discern between right and wrong. What I answer to is walking worthy of the vocation wherewith we were called (Eph 4:1) Giving diligence in keeping unity with the Holy Spirit that bonds and leads me in peace, love, and righteousness.
Review (Eph 4:7-13)
Every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ. Some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ
Many do not believe what is written, but I do not judge them, but edify with truth that which is written in the Word of God
Review (Eph 4:23-24)
We are to be renewed in the spirit of our mind; And put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
~in Christ
Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeT777
Eph 4:1I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,
A calling, the divine invitation to embrace salvation of God. Giving diligence in keeping unity with the Holy Spirit that bonds and leads in peace, love, and righteousness.
Mark 5:34 And he said unto her, Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace, and be whole of thy plague.
It was Faith that made possible the man to walk. And the glory unto to God!
As it also is shown that Christ did the work of HIS Father. Christ walked diligence in keeping unity with the Holy Spirit as "One"
SndBay:Quote:
Originally Posted by sndbay
You're playing dodge ball. Church doesn't mean vocation, Church doesn't mean 'can't we just all get along', Church doesn't mean One Church is as good as another. How do we walk in God's glory bifurcated? Doesn't One-ness simply mean 'One Church' i.e.
1. One body
2. One Spirit
3. One hope in
4. One Lord
5. One faith
6. One baptism
7. One Father above all, through all, in us all?
If not why not? How do you not have One-ness with these? How do you have One-ness with these and a bifurcated Church, a bifurcated faith? How do we explain these without 'Church'?
Step up to the plate...
JoeT
I'm still interested in everyone's thought on why Jesus established what He called "My Church"
Peace and kindness,
Fred
The church is a gathering of members, if they are consider one-ness in the communed gathering, it is that they each hold stedfast as Christian saints.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeT777
(1 Corinthians 1:2)
They believe in Christ Jesus as they are called by
1. One body
2. One Spirit
3. One hope
4. One Lord
5. One Faith
6. One Baptism
7. One Father above all, through all, and in us all
Christ dwells within.
By each member gathering to commune, does not mean that the individual is disconnected from Christ when they are not gathered.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeT777
Christ Body remains within each, Christ dwells within each member and each are gifted in accordance to God's will.(do not deny the Holy Spirit)
(in no way is Christ a material ascent on the outside that surround us)
Eph 1:22-23 And hath put all things under HIS feet, and gave HIM to be the head over all things to the church, Which is HIS body, the fulness of HIM that filleth all in all.
~in Christ
To commune in a gathering of love, peace and righteousness.Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
The early church came about so the people could fellowship together,
Sharing with one another the things of the kingdom and the things
Of God. They loved God and wanted a relationship with Him and
God also wanted a relationship with them. Joshua 1:8 " This book of the
law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein
day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is
written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and
then thou shalt have good success." They wanted to be successful
And prosperous so by being steadfastly committed to the Word of
God it would come about. There strength comes from interlocking
Their roots in fellowship and a relationship with God. Exodus 36
Paints a picture of the tabernacle being constructrd in biblical
Numerology terms. This is a also a picture of the building of God's
People in the church. It's a good study, but later maybe.
Love and Blessings, Maggie
Yes, The Church is a place of fellowship.
It is also a place of unity, prayer, worship, and learning.
We must remember that the first church members were recruited by the apostles and disciples of Jesus who lead, taught, and served them.
That is what The Church is supposed to do yet today.
Peace ans kindness,
Fred
Fred, are you saying they were not led by the Holy Spirit?(Mark 8:8 Having eyes, see ye not? And having ears, hear ye not? And do ye not remember?)Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
2 Corinthians 10:17-18 But he that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord. For not he that commendeth himself is approved, but whom the Lord commendeth.
Christ is the Way: (John 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture)
John 10:3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and He calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. 10:4 And when He putteth forth His own sheep, He goeth before them, and the sheep follow Him: for they know His voice.
Luke 13:23-24 Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter, and shall not be able.
John 10:2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
~in Christ
sndbay,
NO!
I am saying no such thing. I am lead by God who is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit and His Church which the bible tells us is the bride of Christ and lead and inspired by the Holy Spirit.
Please do not try to put you words in what I post.
Thank you,
Fred
sndbay,
NO!
I am saying no such thing. I am lead by God who is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit and His Church which the bible tells us is the bride of Christ and lead and inspired by the Holy Spirit.
Please do not try to put your words in what I post.
Thank you,
Fred
Well done Fred I didn't think it was possible to post a duplicate around hereQuote:
Originally Posted by arcura
Scripture speak of new Jerusalem, the holy city prepared as the bride.Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
Revel 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Revel: 21:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
Revel 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
The bride is detailed in the book of Revelation chapter 21. And when the bride is shown scripture clearly speak of no temple,
Revel 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
And review nothing will enter in that worketh abomination or that lies.
Revel 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
I rebuke with scripture speaking the Word of God. The word is a straight plummet with the eyes of the Lord, which run to and fro through the whole earth.Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
Christ walks to lead HIS sheep and they follow HIM.(John 10:4)
1 John 2:5-6 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
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