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"Nobody might be able to buy or sell except a person having the mark, the name of the wild beast or the number of its name. Here is where wisdom comes in: Let the one that has intelligence calculate the number of the wild beast, for it is a man's number; and its number is six hundred and sixty-six."—Revelation 13:17, 18.
In 2000+ years has that number ever appeared anywhere on a wild beast/human?
I don't know, do you? But what has that to do with what it means?
So it is uniquely related to the end of times?
Some have make the link between that and RFID implants which in my opinion is ludicrous.
I agree, that is simply another fanciful and contrived interpretation, and is very different from what the Bible itself says about the mark of the beast.
Since it is a defining attribute of the beast it seems to me the beast must first be identified.
I thought everyone(and I mean all believers and non-believers alike) would know when the beast appeared and will not have to guess if it was the one?
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Oh wait!
Is the beast the same as the anti-christ?
Lol, I heard people associate people with 3 crowns with 666, so if that's what its represented as then yesQuote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
The anti-Christ only offers another puzzle doesn’t it?Quote:
Originally Posted by firmbeliever
People for the longest of times have attributed characteristics and habits of animals as a figurative or symbolic sense to persons, peoples, governments, and organizations.
Certain major world powers of history as well as other nations have used animals as symbols of their governments. In Egypt, the serpent figured prominently, the uraeus, the sacred asp, appearing on the headdress of the Pharaohs. However, Egypt was also represented by the bull, as was Assyria. Medo-Persia used the eagle (the shields of the Medes bore the golden eagle.
But for my purpose I will turn to the Bible for the answer; in particular the books of Daniel and revelation. That the beasts described in these books represent political kingdoms or governments, exercising rulership and authority, is clearly stated. (Da 7:6, 12, 23; 8:20-22; Re 16:10; 17:3, 9-12) A consideration of the Biblical passages reveals that, while these political ‘wild beasts’ vary in symbolic form, yet all have certain characteristics in common. All are shown as standing in opposition to God’s rule by the Messianic Kingdom over mankind.
So who has had 3 'crowns'?Quote:
Originally Posted by albear
Well I do, for 1 and yes I was teased about it, but there's not just me loads of people have 3 crowns.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
(quick question since you put crowns in inverted commas I was just wondering if you knew what I was on about)
Haha, no I didn't but now I do. I'm slower than usual today it seems. :)
Happens to the best of us :)Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Leave it to some folks to derail a serious discussion! Are they uncomfortable with the implications? As to the 666, Hebrew and Latin both use letters for numbers. There have been several men in history whose names added up to 666 in one or the other of these languages. They were not the Beast nor THE anit-christ. It's not likely that this future world figure will be known before the rapture of the Church. (Go ahead and laugh, but time will prove you wrong) I believe that those taking the mark, whatever form it may be in, will have full knowledge of what they are doing. What I mean is that it is most unlikely that one could take that mark in ignorance.
Hello:
It's a made up reason for Christians to go on a killing spree. I think they said the Jews had that mark... Yup, they DID say that.
excon
Hay Excon, did you lose your way:p
It appears to me that it is Governments that go on killing sprees, or an allegiance of false religion and government. The “Beast” and “Caesar”
Rev 6:9-10Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
(KJV)
During that time, it will be the Christians who will be killed en masse. Those who are looking for the return of Jesus will be taken out of the world before this time, BUT, there will be a multitude of people world wide who will accept Jesus as lord and reject the anti-christ. These will be murdered.
The mark of the beast is quite symbolic as are most of the scriptures in Revelation.
The political factions and governments plus the false Christian religions that make up Christendom is the beast. The attempts of "one world currency" and attempts to unify all nations against their will in order to propagate their corrupt agenda is the number that denotes the beast.
Consider a quote from a publication of Christian witnesses:
"Six, as a number, is associated with God's enemies. A Philistine man of the Rephaim was of "extraordinary size", and his "fingers and toes were in sixes." (1 Chronicles 20:6) King Nebuchadnezzar erected a golden image 6 cubits in breadth and 60 cubits high, to unify his political officials in one worship. When God's servants refused to worship the image of gold, the king had them thrown into a fiery furnace. (Daniel 3:1-23) The number six falls short of seven, which stands for completeness from God's standpoint. Therefore, a triple six represents gross imperfection".
John in Revelation says that it "is a man's number" not spiritual so the name helps to confirm that the wild beast is earthly, symbolizing human government. The world's political wild beast rules supreme under the name-number 666 while the big politics, big false religion and big business keep that wild beast functioning as an oppressor of mankind and a persecutor of God's people.
During the reign of the anti-Christ everyone will be forced to have the mark on their hand or forehead in order to buy or sell. This mark is thought to be by many the micro chip which will be inserted into the hand and foreheads of people. The micro chip will contain a person's identity like SS#, driver's license # bank acc # credit card numbers e.t.c SO instead of carrying your debit card to go to wall mart, they can just scan your arm. This was told to me in the early 90's and thought it was a stretch but now with technology advancing, I can definitely see how this can be facilitated.
They have already started to insert these micro chips in children in and dogs in coutries like Japan
Sassy,
You probably are referring to this: Urban Legends Reference Pages: Mondex Biochips
Or this: Urban Legends Reference Pages: Real ID Act
On a related note: if your country forces you to get a microchip then flee that country.
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Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Well according to the Bible there will be one world government so where would you flee to?
Mars?
Who is currently requiring you to get an implant?
I think you need to re-read what I wrote because I don't know what you talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
I referring to this:Quote:
Originally Posted by sassyT
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Originally Posted by sassyT
Re-Read
During the reign of the anti-Christ everyone will be forced to have the mark on their hand or forehead in order to buy or sell. This mark is thought to be by many the micro chip which will be inserted into the hand and foreheads of people. The micro chip will contain a person's identity like SS#, driver's license # bank acc # credit card numbers e.t.c SO instead of carrying your debit card to go to wall mart, they can just scan your arm. This was told to me in the early 90's and thought it was a stretch but now with technology advancing, I can definitely see how this can be facilitated.
They have already started to insert these micro chips in children in and dogs in coutries like Japan
So you think the reign is near?
I was taught as a child that the Pope is the Beast of Revelation, and the number 666 is derived from an inscription alleged to be on the Papal tiara, "Vicarius Filii Dei". This claim has been thoroughly debunked, but it illustrates the lengths some will go to in their attempt to attach significance to every obscure scriptural reference.
I don't think the reference being discussed is obscure. It is easy to use that way to dismiss something that we either don't understand, or don't believe. The mark of the beast will be a real mark. We can't know exactly what it will be now, but you can rest assured that it will be either in the forehead or on the hand and it will be enforced everywhere the beast rules. Consider that according to the Book of Revelation, the rule of the Beast and The Anti-christ will be marked by wars, so it is reasonable to think that the mark will not be world-wide. The wrath of God WILL be wold-wide. The main thing is, we don't have to be here at that time.Quote:
Originally Posted by ordinaryguy
Sounds like the U.S. has a big role to play in that.
I thought it was 616.
I understand it all too well, but you're right, I don't believe it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galveston1
We don't really know for sure what the mark itself will mean. Revelation was written using symbolism that would've been understood by 1st-2nd century Christians, but probably not to their Roman persecutors. Tragically, the key to understanding the symbolism used has been all but lost to us in modern times. We can get some hints from Daniel and Ezekial, but the majority of it is simply lost.
However, I feel fairly confident that when these events come to pass, there will be absolutely zero doubt about the identities of those involved.
While I think I addressed this early in this thread, as noted so much of Revelation is symbolism. With that said, the head is normally compared to our thoughts and our hands is the work we do.
So the mark of the Anti Christ would be thinking and iiving the life of those that follow him and the hands is doing his work.
So if you don't follow the teachings and do the work or the antichrist you could not do anything.
But men and women have thought it was everything, as of late it was social security cards, drivers license, national ID. Before that it was science or teaching,
The fact is, it is going to be something that should be obviously against the bible, So it is not going to be social security cards, or chips or material things ( well the jury is still out on the internet) yep many thought it was the internet.
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Originally Posted by Galveston1
Please explain then... how the Truth written in Matthew 24:3 where Jesus speak of the signs for the end times . Jesus has certainly told us to be aware of these signs. Many of these signs are not unlike what we see today. Jesus tell us to take heed that no man decieve us? I believe Jesus, and I trust Jesus. By Jesus words we will have to be here and should hear the Truth that He has told us..
KJV Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? And what [shall be] the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
KJV Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
KJV Matthew 24: 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
KJV Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
The abomination of desolation is satan, standing in Jerusalem... and from what Jesus says satan will say he is the Lamb with plans to deceive us.. Revelation 12 speaks of a flood of lies that will come from his mouth. And both Matthew 24:22, Revelation 13:5 talk of the time frame satan has before the True Son of God comes. This time was shorten for the elects sake...
KJV Matthew 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
The question about the temple buildings and the city of Jerusalem had a fulfillment in 70 AD. I don't know that you can say for certain that that particular prophecy has to have a second fulfillment. Maybe so, but those believers who lived in Jerusalem in 70 did indeed flee the city when the Romans pulled back their lines temporarily. No one else got out of the city after that and the slaughter was horrible. Read Josephus' history for details. The ONLY sign of the end of the Church age is that the gospel of the Kingdom of God will be preached would wide first. This is currently being accomplished, so we should be prepared at all times. The Apostle Paul gives details concerning the end of the age.
There is only one fulfillment of the Truth=JesusQuote:
Originally Posted by Galveston1
KJV Matthew 13:34-40 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them: 35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world. 36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field. 37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked [one]; 39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
Jesus came to fulfill all that is written.. The "promise" of His return for those that believe in Him, and follow His lamp of light, His word of Truth, and Life there after.
His Truth Luke 22:16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God. Luke 22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.
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