Will we have free will in heaven ?
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Will we have free will in heaven ?
I do not see free will in Heaven mentioned in the Bible. Why would you want free will when you are in a state of perfection, once you have gained entrance into Heaven?
since all sin is gone, and all people will be perfected, even if there was free will, there would be no will to do anything except good things.
Scripture does not tell us specifically one way or the other, but since God has given us free will here, indicating that he does not want robots forced to worship Him, why would that change in heaven? We have chosen to receive Christ as Saviour, we want to worship God, so why would He then take away our freewill to freely worship Him from our desire to do?Quote:
Originally Posted by al-1
Scripture says that we have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit who is molding us to be more like Christ, altering our desires from that of sinful man to that of perfected man. When we are perfected, our desire will also be in alignment with that that God would have for us, so our will be in alignment with what God would have for us. When we see that we are being molded to be more like Christ, we can see what our perfected freewill would be like when we look at Christ.
Luke 22:42
Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done."
NKJV
So I expect that we will, like Christ, have freewill, but we will be willing to submit our will and ourselves to God the Father.
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N0help4u agrees: I think in Heaven it wouldn't be so much of being a robot but something more like your last sentence and what fr chuck said
I wouldn't see the need for it.
This is one of those questions that we just won't know until we are in heaven, enjoying the beatific vision. Here is a link to an article by Fr. William Saunders that might help.
Fr. William Saunders
Free Will to do what?
I don't see why you would need it in Heven.
What? Is sinning the only thing you can think of to do with free will?Quote:
Originally Posted by fallen2grace
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Originally Posted by ordinaryguy
No, But look at it this way. What else would you want to be doing besides worshiping God?
I know that's all I would want to be doing. What about you?
If we find ourselves standing in Heaven before the LORD Jesus Christ, obviously we have chosen to use our free will to worship Him. We would not need it in Heaven because our sole purpose would be worshiping Him all the time.
I have an issue with this logic. If God sees that we freely chose to worship Him and Him alone while on earth, why would He then take us into heaven and remove that free will from us once we have been perfected?Quote:
Originally Posted by savedsinner7
There is nothing in scripture to tell us that, nor does it follow logically. The fact that God gave us free will while on earth speaks to God's character - He does not want robots worshipping Him. Why then would He remove that free will in heaven? Would it mean more to have people forced to worship Him, or to have us all wanting and chosing to freely worship Him? God has shown by His character in how He deals with us on earth that He would prefer a people who freely choose to worship Him.
I agree. It seems to me that the idea that perfected beings wouldn't "need" free will reflects a fundamental misunderstanding of what freedom is. As though the only possible use of it is to do something bad, or if you don't want to do something bad, you aren't really free to choose the good. Nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tj3
Job 42
Job
1 Then Job replied to the LORD :
2 "I know that you can do all things;
no plan of yours can be thwarted.
3 You asked, 'Who is this that obscures my counsel without knowledge?'
Surely I spoke of things I did not understand,
things too wonderful for me to know.
4 "You said, 'Listen now, and I will speak;
I will question you,
and you shall answer me.'
5 My ears had heard of you
but now my eyes have seen you.
6 Therefore I despise myself
and repent in dust and ashes."
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Originally Posted by Tj3
What was the point that you were making here? It is not clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by savedsinner7
No, but Adam and Eve had free will and knew God in all His glory... even walked and talked with Him...Quote:
Originally Posted by ordinaryguy
Maybe the better questions are, Will God put a Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil in Heaven, and will there be a serpent there?
There are other differences, such as those who are believers in Christ now have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit to guide us, and when we are in heaven, we will receive our perfected bodies, no longer struggling between the desires of the flesh and holiness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
And where will the "serpent" (i.e. the Father of Lies) be, pray tell?
Satan was tossed out of heaven, and ultimately will be sent to the lake of fire:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Rev 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
NKJV
In other words, Satan won't be in the picture any longer.
Could a new Satan emerge if there is free will in Heaven? It happened once before.
There is only one Satan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
But there was free will in Heaven and one angel didn't want to get with the program. With free will still in Heaven, can history repeat itself?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tj3
Wouldn't Satan already be in Hell?
"Surely I spoke of things I did not understand,
things too wonderful for me to know."
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Originally Posted by Tj3
What I was asking was, you sent this in response to my post - were you intending this to be in agreement with what I said, or in opposition and if so, how do you see it as opposing what I said.Quote:
Originally Posted by savedsinner7
I am trying to better understand your perspective and intent.
Heaven is a place that cannot be understood by the finite mind. In trying to do so, I have spoken about things which I do not understand. So, yes my logic is faulty. My understanding of this is not yet opened by the Holy Spirit. In my limited understanding I assume the will is no longer necessary as we will be perfected and our wills will be 100% in line with the LORD's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tj3
I agree to a large extent, but I would choose the latter, and here is why. Jesus is God, but when He was on earth, and was both wholly man and wholly God, He had His own will, but what did he do with it?Quote:
Originally Posted by savedsinner7
Luke 22:41-43
42 saying, "Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done."
NKJV
He willingly submitted His will to the Father's will. If Jesus, being God, had His own will and submitted it to the Father, then I see no reason why we would not retain our own wills and submit them perfectly to the Father. That seems more consistent with scripture.
Wasn't Jesus will manifest because of His humanness? His flesh being in contrast with His Divinity? And if so, in Heaven there is no conflict, so why have need of differences of wills?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tj3
Jesus will, to the best of my knowledge was manifest because he was human as well as being God. We are also human, so we have a separate will.Quote:
Originally Posted by savedsinner7
No one said that there would be a difference - if we willingly submit our wills to the Father as Jesus did, then we have no difference, yet we still have a free will.
I guess that makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tj3
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