Just wanted to get people's opinion of who Jesus is to you and why you feel the way you do? No trick, just want to discuss...
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Just wanted to get people's opinion of who Jesus is to you and why you feel the way you do? No trick, just want to discuss...
He is a wonderful being with cool shoes
Jesus is my all in all
I'm not sure how to answer that effectively.
I've known who Jesus IS for many, many years.
Only in the last decade or so have I begun to KNOW JESUS.
There's a huge difference between the two, I think.
As for me, I'll try and explain my relationship to him as best I can.
TO ME, JESUS IS:
The best friend I've ever had, because he's not only loving, but he believes in tough love sometimes, and I always come out a better man for it.
The one who hears my prayers, and answers them. Not always the way I envision, but the best way nonetheless. See #1.
My defender against evil.
My provider, in good times and in lean times. I haven't starved yet.
Tender enough to gently stroke a child's cheek or hair, yet tough enough to tip tables, make whips, and one day, come back to earth with sword a'swingin'.
Someone who causes even Satan himself and all the forces of evil to tremble with fear, yet someone whom I have no cause to fear.
A masterful teacher, by word and by example.
A manly man. The first 30 years of his life were spent as a carpenter, and that's long before power tools! He could fish and live off the land, and that makes him a role model in that area.
Not afraid to cry.
Someone who wields enormous power, but only uses his power when it is just and right to so. Self discipline is knowing you CAN, but sometimes choosing NOT to when no good purpose would come from it.
The only acceptable substitute worthy to take on the sins of the whole world--past, present, and future--and wipe them clean for anyone who believes and calls upon him for forgivenes.
The one into whose hands I effectively drove nails into, because of my own selfish pride and sins, yet he forgives me anyway.
The only one I can truly trust and count on. People will let you down if you trust them enough. Me, you, our spouses, our best friends. We're all human, and we will all disappoint those we love. Rather than turn bitter from those times, they only serve to train my eyes more upon the one who will NEVER let me down or abuse my trust.
The one who freely offers me redemption and salvation and eternal life, which I humbly and tearfully accept, though I am as unworthy as they come.
The one whose spiritual lap I can crawl up in to and cry and be comforted and find rest and peace, before going back out into the battleground that is this world.
The one who sent me my wife and gave me my kids.
I'm sure there's more, because every day I learn more about him as our relationship unfolds. Like a stubborn child I ask too many questions and cry "foul!" too many times. But like a patient and loving father, he answers the questions and soothes the aches.
I love him, and want to be more like him. I'm failing miserably many days, but he won't give up on me.
He said so.
My Lord, my Savior and my God.
A beacon that can help people to help themselves
I can only repeat what Saint Thomas and Fr_Chuck said.
My Lord and My God. And of course, My Savior.
Jesus is God (John 1:1) manifest in the flesh (1 Tim 3:16), born ofQuote:
Originally Posted by mountain_man
A virgin (Is 7:14), lived a perfect sinless life (Heb 4:15).
He is from everlasting (Micah 5:2), the creator of all that exists
(Col 1:16). He is God (John 1:1), one of the three persons of the
Trinity (Is 48:16-17), who came to earth in order that he might give
His life as a sacrifice to pay for the sins of all (Mark 10:45), that
Whosoever would receive that free gift of salvation might not
Perish but have everlasting life (John 3:16-17). Those who reject
Him have condemned themselves (John 3:17) and are destined to
An eternity in the lake of fire (Rev 20:15). No one has an excuse
Because the truth of God is revealed to us all (Rom 1:20), and all
Have sinned (Rom 3:23), thus are deserving of the penalty.
He died on the cross (Luke 23:26), was buried and was resurrected
On the third day (Mark 16:6) and after many days, rose up directly
Into heaven (Acts 1:9-11)to sit at the right hand of the Father
(1 Peter 3:22). He is the First and the Last, the Alpha and the
Omega (Rev 1:8,11), and the one who will at the end be the judge
Of all (2 Tim 4:1).
When the veil was ripped from the Holy of Holies (Matt 27:51), it
Was symbolic of the fact that through Christ we no longer need a
Human priest to intercede for us who sacrifices cannot take away
Sins (Heb 10:11), for those who worship (Heb 1:6) Jesus as God
(Heb 1:8), and receive Him and His sacrifice on the cross as
Saviour are no longer condemned (John 3:17), but are a member of
The priesthood of believers (1 Pet 2:5), over whom there is but one
High Priest, Jesus Christ (Heb 8:1-2).
That is the Jesus whom I worship and follow.
Jesus was just a man if he really existed, & I believe he did. He was not the son of God, not the christ, not a prophet. I doubt he really said most of the things the New Testament ascribes to him, & if he did then he was probably mentally unstable. Many men in modern times have claimed to be God & duped people into dying for them (e.g. Jim Jones, David Koresh, Marshal Applewhite). There were many others before Jesus who made this claim, & many after him. If Jesus really thought he was God then he was just another Jim Jones or David Koresh, & billions have been duped into believing it.
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Originally Posted by deist
I don't know those you refer to koresh applewhite or the other many who claim to be christ. However we are still talking about Jesus 2000 years later.
In 2000 years will anyone know you ever existed deist?
Although so many people seem to think otherwise here,
Jesus is someone who loves you know matter what you do or have done.
And he looks at who you are, not what you are. For example:
Everyone has a chance to be in heaven whether you are a Christian.
He also is friendly, giving, fair, loyal and probably has the most friends in the world!
To me, Jesus is this guy that lived around year 0. I don't really think he was anything special. He may have been a great guy, but that would be about it.
If I were into the bible, and believing what it said, I still don't know that I would believe in the new testament. I mean, God sent his ONLY son to DIE, for what? To 'save us from our sins'? I've got a better idea... he could follow his own word, show love to the sons of jesus for a thousand generations, since he loved him, not cause suffering to someone who wasn't deserved of it... I know that the reasoning behind this is that he was the ultimate sacrifice, but this is god. He is the almighty. How about he just SAYS 'hey guys, no more sacrafices. I'll forgive you of your sins. Kbye.' And yes, I know that there would be lot sof skeptics saying that it wasn't really the word of god, and they would continue their sacrifices, but I'm pretty sure that would happen anyway with Jesus, and people not believe that he was the son of god.
So, to answer your question, I think Jesus was probably some really nice, good natured guy that lived a long time ago.
What a beautiful question.
Jesus is love joy and peace. He is the Son of God. He is my heart, my saviour and my protector. When I listen, I can only smile and be happy, when I turn a deaf ear, seems only sadness appears.
He is our friend, our Saviour and our Light. And as Sgt Hardkore said so beautifully,
He loves all of us. No matter, who we are, what we look like, how many times we have fallen, he will always be there to help us up as long as we ask him.
He just fills my heart with such joy and love!
Thank you for asking this beautiful question.
Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. No one gets to the Father but through him (John 14:6).
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Originally Posted by sGt HarDKorE
[/I]In order to inherit everlasting life you must be born again (John 3:3). That means you repent of your sins, turn away from them, and put your trust and faith in Jesus Christ.
Jesus to me is a religious sect leader who got lucky and became a founder of one of world's largest religion. Nothing more and nothing less.Quote:
Originally Posted by mountain_man
To me, jesus is a saving grace, and a loving saviour, the one thing in my life that I know is the right way, the only sure thing. Im so far from him, and it hurts more than anything else in the world. Hes the king of kings, saviour of all, and I know that he would have died on that cross, even if it was just me who needed saving. He loves us all, no matter how far we fall, no matter how much we hurt each other. Even if I can't feel him, even if I can't get that connection going, I will still try to follow him, for ever and ever because I love my god.
Thank you to all that have posted and who will post. This was great to see the way people feel about our Savior. Many who haven't posted but have just viewed this will undoubtedly be affected by these responses and the work of the Holy Spirit. Thanks again and God bless.
He is:
Light
Awsome
Peace
Love
Joy
My King
My Savior
My Redeemer
"The one who filles the hole in my life/heart"- xD
The Unchanging one
The Alpha and Omega
The Beginning and the End
The Son of God
I could go on forever and ever(Etc!)
XD I love it.
he's just a made up character of the jews... there's a god...but the existence of jesus is yet to be proven...Quote:
Originally Posted by mountain_man
There is not a single credible historian, Christian or secular, who denies the existence of Jesus.Quote:
Originally Posted by doffy
My king, My friend, my love, my purpose.
Historical Jesus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaQuote:
Originally Posted by doffy
But of corse! I love this answer. :]
Jesus is the one who saved me from my sins and from myself. A destructive course of life was chosen when I chose to curse God for what I mistakenly believed as a child was His taking my family apart. I fell into drugs and sexual addiction and when I cried out to the LORD to save me or let me die, He chose to save me. Why He loves me (and He tells me every day in His Word) I don't quite understand. I am thankful that He has called me as His own and called me to a closer walk with Him. I am thankful that He is the one who makes my stains to be washed away as I cannot ever make myself holy enough to be in His presence. I am thankful that He whispers His love in my heart when the cares of this world become too much for me to bear. I am thankful that He is the Author and Finisher of my faith. If it were not for Him I would not have this faith as everyone is given a measure of faith. He instills in me a desire to obey Him, to love Him, to know Him more. He is the Everlasting from Everlasting to Everlasting, the One who is, Who was and Who is to come. He is all I ever need, even though I decieve myself into believing otherwise. He will supply my ever need if I will just sit back and let Him be my God, He said He'd do this for me.
Only because as soon as he says that Jesus didn't exist, you would no longer think that he was credible. Since like many other things we all have an idea of what is credible but my definition can very greatly to yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tj3
I believe that there are records that show a man named Jesus did live around that time. That's probably why nobody denies he existed. There are, however, people who believe he existed, but deny that he was a savior. I usually call these people "Jewish".Quote:
Originally Posted by Tj3
Judaism's view of Jesus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jesus Himself, God manifest in the flesh (1 Tim 3:16) as well as all of the apostles who held to His divinity were also Jewish, and we have their testimonies.Quote:
Originally Posted by retsoksirhc
Okay, good for you, but like I was saying, there are still credible people who say that Jesus wasn't a savior. Not to say that there aren't credible people who say he IS a savior. Please stop quoting scripture at me, it's not doing you any good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tj3
The point is, anyone can believe what they want but that does not make it true. You can believe as you wish, but are you the font of all knowledge? No. So we need to go to other sources, and when we have the word of God, and prophetic statements that go back hundreds or thousands of years prior to the birth of Christ, giving details prophecies that were fulfilled by Christ which undeniable refer to Him as God, then it because the Bible vs your word.Quote:
Originally Posted by retsoksirhc
The same can be said for the bible, though. You can believe what you want, and if you choose to believe that what is in the bible actually happened, then go right ahead. Nobody can stop you. I never said I was the front of all knowledge. I'm not. I don't believe the bible is either. If you do, that's fine, but quoting scripture from the bible at me isn't going to do you any good in trying to get me to believe something other than what I do already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tj3
Like I've stated already, I was just trying to point out that yes, there ARE credible people who say that Jesus wasn't a savior. And also, like I've said already, if you don't agree with that, it's fine, because we're each allowed to have our own opinions. It's good that you stand up for your beliefs, but please stop trying to change mine.
The validity of the Bible is well established. If you wish to pit your personal credibility against the Bible, then please enlighten us as to what validates your credibility, and why should we believe you rather than the Bible?Quote:
Originally Posted by retsoksirhc
Since you're not listening, and I've said this all already, I'll just say it one last time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tj3
1. I am not arguing against the validity of the bible. You can believe something other than what I do. I have no problem with that.
2. You are entitled to your own beliefs, and so am I. I am not trying to change what you believe, so please stop trying to shove the bible down my throat.
3. The intent of my earlier post was to inform you that there are a lot of credible people who don't believe that Jesus was a savior.
If you don't want to listen, that's fine, but this thread was an open question on who everyone believed Jesus was, and we should all be free to do so without being criticized, and without being told that our or anyone else's opinion is not credible.
I've already stated what I believe. If you want to know more, you can ask. If you want to argue, don't. I'm not responding to any more antagonistic remarks here.
Sigh - why do some folk assume that you are not listening if you don't agree. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by retsoksirhc
So we agree that the Bible is valid. If that is the case, then you should accept use of it as a resource.Quote:
1. I am not arguing against the validity of the bible. You can believe something other than what I do. I have no problem with that.
I don't know if you noticed, but you are on the Christianity board, so I will not stop using the Bible to validate my beliefs. If you are not comfortable with use of the Bible. I am left to wonder why you are on the Christianity board. :confused:Quote:
2. You are entitled to your own beliefs, and so am I. I am not trying to change what you believe, so please stop trying to shove the bible down my throat.
Everybody is welcome to believe as they wish, but that does not mean that all beliefs are equally credible.Quote:
3. The intent of my earlier post was to inform you that there are a lot of credible people who don't believe that Jesus was a savior.
I listen, but unless you can validate your beliefs, then they remain solely that - your beliefs.Quote:
If you don't want to listen, that's fine, but this thread was an open question on who everyone believed Jesus was, and we should all be free to do so without being criticized, and without being told that our or anyone else's opinion is not credible.
It is unfortunate if you cannot accept that someone might disagree with you without assuming that they are (1) not listening and (2) antagonistic. If that is true, should I assume that because you disagree with me that you are antagonistic and not listening? It goes both ways.Quote:
I've already stated what I believe. If you want to know more, you can ask. If you want to argue, don't. I'm not responding to any more antagonistic remarks here.
Jesus to me, is the Jesus that the Bible tells us about, namely that Jesus is the second highest personage in the entire Universe, next to God himself. Jesus is not God himself, as the Bible plainly states, but Jesus is God's son, and its through Jesus' ransom sacrifice and shed blood that the way is open for me to have my sins forgiven by God, have a close, personal relationship with God (through Jesus, who is the mediator between God and man), and have the hope of everlasting life in the future here on the earth in paradise, enjoying perfect health forever.Quote:
Originally Posted by mountain_man
To me, Jesus is our perfect Exemplar. He always acknowledged his lesser position in relation to his Father and his God, and he always referred to Him and his Word for guidance and direction, never leaning upon his own understanding. Jesus showed us the depth of not only his love for mankind, but the love he perfectly reflected from his Father. The miracles he performed during his time on earth were but a foregleam of the earth-wide miracles he will perform for obedient mankind in our near future. I certainly have a great deal of love and respect for Jesus, and not only for him but for God himself who willingly sacrificed his Son that we may have the hope of everlasting life. God, in heaven, had to watch as his only-begotten Son, was persecuted and tortured, all for the sake of God's name and for the larger scope of redeeming sinful mankind.
Phil 2:5-7Quote:
Originally Posted by silentrascal
Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,
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John 1:1-2Quote:
Jesus is not God himself
1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
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You got one right - God the Son is the second person in the trinity.Quote:
Jesus is God's son
The way is open, but unless you turn to the true Jesus and the true gospel, you are on your way to an eternity in the lake of fire.Quote:
, and its through Jesus' ransom sacrifice and shed blood that the way is open for me to have my sins forgiven by God, have a close, personal relationship with God (through Jesus, who is the mediator between God and man), and have the hope of everlasting life in the future here on the earth in paradise, enjoying perfect health forever.
Gal 1:6-9
6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed
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2 Cor 11:3-4
3 But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted--you may well put up with it!
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Nice try, but using a faulty Bible translation and purposely misquoting the scriptures doesn't make the trinity teaching any less ridiculous and incorrect than it already is. All it does is continue to make you look foolish.
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Originally Posted by silentrascal
Meh. I think that tj should let this one be. We all have our own opinions.
I asked you before - give me the name of a single member of the NWT translation committee who was qualified to translate Biblical Greek and Hebrew.You make all sorts of statements, but I see that you are very slow to actually validate any of your claims.Quote:
Originally Posted by silentrascal
Your accusations are only as good as the validation.
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