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You must believe that God is in charge, he has provided us with his
Word, fully intact and true.
If the Bible's spiritual faculty, whose proper work it is to give
light, be itself diseased—if it discerns not singly but doubly, and
therefore dimly—then the whole life also is shrouded in gloom. If that
is the case with the higher life, what will be the state of the lower!
The Bible is not with error.
Those are your typical words (blah, blah, blah) when you can't come up with a coherent honest reply. We're all used to it by now.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
No, you give me the written down words 300 years after the fact. Your refusall to see that tells us volumes about your intellectual capacity.Quote:
As to what I "hide behind", I give you the words of Christ.
Pretty weak on the proofreading, too. Did you mean "can't"?Quote:
If that's not good enough for you, then I can help you.
God gave mankind free will.Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
We aren't living in the "higher life".Quote:
If that is the case with the higher life, what will be the state of the lower!
Of course it is! Compare the many versions! We don't have the original text, just translations that have incorrectly translated words and phrases. And each denomination has a favorite version that may not be (is not?) accepted by other denominations.Quote:
The Bible is not with error.
Does this make any sense to you at all;Quote:
Of course it is!
Man's life is the only life shrouded in darkness.
If the Bible's spiritual faculty, whose proper work it is to give
light, be itself diseased—if it discerns not singly but doubly, and
therefore dimly—then the whole life also is shrouded in gloom. If that
is the case with the higher life, what will be the state of the lower!
If the light that is in man be darkness, the darkness how great will it be!
If the Bible (if ever there was a Bible) be from God, it would remain, as it was meant to be. What would a book that is shrouded in darkness bring for Humanity?
Nope. Please type it in short, simple sentences.Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
And man has free will to change words and phrases and meanings to suit his own understanding and preferences. E.g., the Greek word for pedophile was changed to homosexual in 1946.Quote:
If the Bible (if ever there was a Bible) be from God, it would remain, as it was meant to be. What would a book that is shrouded in darkness bring for Humanity?
Paul's neologism, arrsenokoitai, used a Greek word coined from Lev 20:13, which was already understood in Jewish circles and educated Greek circles as a reference to shrine prostitution. Paul's neologism means exploitative pederasty.
Your saying God has thrown a monkey wrench into his work.
The four copies of the Bible I have in My house, are the Original manuscripts, God has preserved them for me.
And that is why Man's word is not the Word of God.Quote:
And man has free will to change words
WORD!
There are no original manuscripts. The Dead Sea scrolls are the earliest found so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
The monkey wrench? God gave mankind free will, and mankind has run with it.
Book of Mormon?
You think man is able to throw a monkey wrench into the works?Quote:
monkey wrench?
It is God's plan. His Word is Is true. God would not be able to throw a monkey wrench into his work no more than man could.
You would go wrong believing man has a hand in all this.
My permanent response.
Blah, blah, blah. You're done Athos. You will not defend your own offense, and you cannot show mine. You're finished until you man up and do it.
It's very simple. In the first quote, Jesus is speaking in the present tense of his time on earth. He did not come then for judgement but rather for salvation. The second speaks of the coming day of judgement when He will judge.
In a gross truncation of a quote which reminds me of your Aquinas debacle, you intentionally misrepresented what He said. The entire quote very nicely answers your question. It is startling that you did not, I suppose, bother to read it for yourself.
"47 “If anyone hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge that person. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world. (present tense JL)
48 There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day. (future tense JL)"
Completely untrue. The Greek "arsyn" in arsenokoitai refers to a grown man, not a young boy. Your idea is ridiculous. The word literally means "men in bed". And prior to homosexual, the operative expression was, "abusers of themselves with mankind".Quote:
And man has free will to change words and phrases and meanings to suit his own understanding and preferences. E.g., the Greek word for pedophile was changed to homosexual in 1946.
Paul's neologism, arrsenokoitai, used a Greek word coined from Lev 20:13, which was already understood in Jewish circles and educated Greek circles as a reference to shrine prostitution. Paul's neologism means exploitative pederasty.
Yes, if you study Bible hermeneutics, you will find many, many instances where man has messed with the translation of words and phrases. The Bible has been translated and copied and recopied for millennia. And we don't have the original writings.Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
That is not hermeneutics. There are not "many, many" such instances. There are some, but they are now well known and several modern translations actually point the passages out. In no case do they impact any major doctrine of the Bible.Quote:
Yes, if you study Bible hermeneutics, you will find many, many instances where man has messed with the translation of words and phrases.
If you hold the Bible in such disdain, why in the world do you pay any attention to it?
Hermeneutics: the branch of knowledge that deals with interpretation, especially of the Bible or literary texts.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Yes, the "interpretation" of the Bible, but not the "translation" of the Bible. They are by no means the same thing. They are not even close.
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many, many instances where man has messed with the translation of words and phrases.
Here we go.
Higher life- Bible's spiritual faculty
Lower life- Man's life, shrouded in darkness.
God- Highest life- spoken Word
Bible- higher life- no darkness, sole purpose is to give light.
Man- Lower life- Needs guidance.
If the Bible is diseased (by man's darkness, while scribing the Bible)—if it discerns not singly but doubly, and therefore dimly—then the whole life also is shrouded in gloom.
If that's the case with the higher life [bible], what will be the state of the lower [man]!
How then is the Higher life going to bring light to the lower life?
If in fact the Bible is diseased, thereby rendering the Bible totally irrelevant!
Mr. Nit Picker when he isn't picking cherries.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Oh don't be foolish. They don't even remotely mean the same thing. You just missed it and it's that simple. Man you guys can be irritating in your absolute stubbornness. If you don't know the difference between translating the Bible versus interpreting the Bible, then talk about libraries or knitting or something you do know about.
I thought for sure you might gain some insight.
We all have to make that decision some point in our life. I hope you don't wait too long. Holding onto this world and the life you cherish is a bad situation to be in.Quote:
If the Bible is diseased (by man's darkness, while scribing the Bible)—if it discerns not singly but doubly, and therefore dimly—then the whole life also is shrouded in gloom.
If that's the case with the higher life [bible], what will be the state of the lower [man]!
How then is the Higher life going to bring light to the lower life?
If in fact the Bible is diseased; rendering the Bible totally irrelevant!
Yeah, translation is wrong here and there too, but when I've mentioned that, you kicked dirt in my face.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Yes, you definitely can be irritating in your absolute stubbornness.
Oh, if that were only true, and it was your FINAL response.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Etc. etc., etc. Repetition is simply another form of blah, blah, blah..... Will you ever learn?Quote:
It's very simple.
Whatever you had quoted before you said the above wasn't said by me. It sounds like you wrote all that. Here is the quote I'm talking about:Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
"If the Bible is diseased (by man's darkness, while scribing the Bible)—if it discerns not singly but doubly, and therefore dimly—then the whole life also is shrouded in gloom.
If that's the case with the higher life [bible], what will be the state of the lower [man]!
How then is the Higher life going to bring light to the lower life?
If in fact the Bible is diseased, thereby rendering the Bible totally irrelevant!"
I've been a Christian all my life. My earthly journey is almost over. I look forward to again seeing my parents and other relatives, my friends who predeceased me, and especially my younger son who died three years ago from a pulmonary embolism.
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