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Originally Posted by galveston

First, how many kinds of Christians do you think there are? You either are one or you are not.

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Oh. I've gotten the impression that there is a pecking order. I've been told more than once by fundies here that I am not a Christian. (I use the term "fundies" with much love, since I was born into and grew up in that world.)

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Originally Posted by galveston

All that is required to gain Heaven is to accept the gracious offer from God. What is so difficult to understand about that?

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But the acceptance is not of man's doing.

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Originally Posted by galveston

First, how many kinds of Christians do you think there are? You either are one or you are not.

Secondly, Jesus is completely exclusive. Yes only those who accept Jesus as Lord and Savior will be in Heaven
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I don't believe I will absolutely not be in heaven unless I accept Jesus. I could be destined for hell for that matter, who knows.

I was going to give you a reddie for your post, galveston, but it would have been going against forum basics if I did. As a matter of fact, you should read forum basics before you hand out reddies. You don't do it right. You can't fault someone for their own opinions and that's the reddie you gave me, voicing my own opinion.

Knowing what I do about Jesus who walked on this earth, reading about him, not in scripture, but as a real person, possibly a good man, doing good deeds, loving people, fighting for his truth, why would he not want all good people to be in heaven with him, christian or not ? If he will only accept christians then that is going against everything I have heard of him.


Tick

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Originally Posted by tickle

All versions of the bible were written long after Jesus passed, and for that matter, all disciples.

The bible, in any version has proven to be an exemplary source of archeological information and that is the only credence I will give it.

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Altenweg agrees: Same here Tickle.
galveston disagrees: You completely ignore the abundance of fulfilled prophecy.
Unknown008 agrees: Balancer, I have to agree


I guess I am not alone in my opinion, galveston.

Tick

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Originally Posted by classyT

Do you as a Christian believe other paths..(other than the Finished work of Christ)..leads to the Father?

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No way no how!

2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed KJV


Phl 2:10-11 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

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Originally Posted by tickle

If he will only accept christians then that is going against everything I have heard of him.

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Bingo!

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Originally Posted by tickle

Altenweg agrees: Same here Tickle.
galveston disagrees: You completely ignore the abundance of fulfilled prophecy.
Unknown008 agrees: Balancer, I have to agree


I guess I am not alone in my opinion, galveston.

tick

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I ask you to prove this several pages back. So far you have ignored me. Why is that? Is it because you have no proof of this? Or are you simply ignoring me? My bible gives the accepted dates for each book contained therein. How about yours?

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If he will only accept christians then that is going against everything I have heard of him.

WG
Bingo!

So what religion are you if you do not believe the Bible?
I know WG said she is/was Lutheran.

I guess the Lutheran Church threw the Bible out the door??

Many verses in the Bible go against that ALL people are going to heaven.

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Originally Posted by DrJizzle

Soooo... then God removed the freewill of Man long enough to preserve the Bible... and then put it back?

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I don't know how you came to that conclusion. If I wrote a book, and preserves the copyright and the original manuscript, that would not mean that I would be removing freewill from the whole world, so I am not sure how you extrapolated that to be the case with the Bible.

Why is it such a problem that it should have been so perfectly preserved?

If the evidence showed that it wasn't, then you would say - see it was corrupted, but since we have evidence that it was perfectly preserved, you are trying to argue that to be a problem. Seems to me that you just don't like the Bible - PERIOD.

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It sounds to me that you enjoy making inaccurate claims of historical evidence. My favorite part is when you said "evidence going back thousands of years". Especially when some of the books of the Bible were written less than 2,000 years ago.

I understand your passion but you allow your emotions to get in the way of intelligent conversation.

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Ah, now the ad hominem arguments.

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GOD did not contradict Himself. Man contradicted God.

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Agreed. That is why I stick to what the Bible itself says and do not treat book outside of the Bible as God inspired works.

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Here you go with these crazy generalizations again. "Completely in contradiction with all historical evidence".

Anyway. what "historical evidence" do you have that shows an earlier version of the Bible that was released to the public?

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You may find this enlightening.

Ancient NT Manuscripts

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Originally Posted by tickle

Altenweg agrees: Same here Tickle.
galveston disagrees: You completely ignore the abundance of fulfilled prophecy.
Unknown008 agrees: Balancer, I have to agree


I guess I am not alone in my opinion, galveston.

tick

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You have multiple personalities??

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Originally Posted by N0help4u

Many verses in the Bible go against that ALL people are going to heaven.

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So only real Christians are going. Right?

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Originally Posted by N0help4u

I guess the Lutheran Church threw the Bible out the door???

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You wouldn't have that Bible in your hot little hands if it weren't for Luther.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

You wouldn't have that Bible in your hot little hands if it weren't for Luther.

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I'd be real careful about suggesting that God could not do something without a particular man. God is not so limited.

Matt 3:9-10
.. do not think to say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father.' For I say to you that God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones.
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So then why don't you believe it?

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Originally Posted by Tj3

I'd be real careful about suggesting that God could not do something without a particular man.

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Then God chose Luther to get His book into the hands of the common people.

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Originally Posted by N0help4u

So then why don't you believe it?

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I believe it, but not with the same interpretation that you do, apparently.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Then God chose Luther to get His book into the hands of the common people.

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God used many people for that purpose. Ever heard of Wycliffe? King James? Gutenberg... shall I go on?

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Originally Posted by Tj3

God used many people for that purpose. Ever heard of Wylcliffe? King James? Gutenberg ... shall I go on?

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Who was first?

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

I believe it, but not with the same interpretation that you do, apparently.

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I'd be interested in hearing how you apply your own personal interpretation to these verses to make them say that there are many ways to be saved other than Jesus.

John 14:6
6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
NKJV

Acts 4:12
12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."
NKJV

Nlo its not that it isn't the same interpretation it's that you are throwing away a lot of verses.

Luther was not first because he wanted reform from what was first.