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You said in your last message, and I quote:

"If we say I failed, then we do not truly believe."

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If we say I failed in my heart and mind not to avoid willful sin, after which I had asked in Christ name to led me from tempation. Then we do not believe in Christ's power and authority over the ememy. Christ is the armor we are to put on...

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Sorry to disappoint you, but saying that you failed does not make anyone a nonbeliever. Scripture says that we have all failed, and as I said, I believe in God not in your. I believe in God's faithfulness not yours.

I stand by my comments. .

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I stand by what is written..

Hebrews 10:26-27 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries

Romans 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

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Establish something as being evident..( Matthew 18:15-17)

Let's look at this passage:

Matt 18:15-16
15 "Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. 16 But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that 'by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.'
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It does not say that we are to come forth 3 times. This is referring to a matter of discipline where we are to bring 2 or 3 witnesses.

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(3 evident in idenity)
1. go and tell him his fault between you and him
2. But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more
3. he shall neglect to hear them, tell [it] unto the church:

Plus we have evident identity to witness by 1 The Father, 2 The Son, 3 Holy Spirit.

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I am ridiculing nothing. Indeed a few posts ago, I was defending you. But I cannot defend a position that claims infallibility, and claims that confusing ways of speaking is a gift from God.

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You did indeed defend me, (But this was not unlike a field of sheep that needs to watch for the peditor) You fell to the deception that was spoken,(it was not I that spoke of anyone hurtfully) but you agreed that it was I that was causing harm.

I have always found wisdom remains stedfast.(that wisdom is found in Spiritual Truth). But the flesh of man is weak and needs to avoid giving suck to deception

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Prayers may be answered, but the answer is not always "yes".

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May be you say?

Hebrews 13:5 [Let your] conversation [be] without covetousness; [and be] content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

Psalms 50:15 And call upon me in the day of trouble: I will deliver thee, and thou shalt glorify me.

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Yes, but do I believe the word of God when it says that we have been given freewill and that we all fail to obey perfectly, yes, I believe that also. Do you?


We are all sinners in our minds also. None of us, yes not even you have obeyed God perfectly. The verse that is referred to by sinning willfully refers specifically to one sin - and that is willfully rejecting and turning our backs on our salvation that we received in Christ.

I addressed this earlier in this same thread by showing the context of the passage.

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Again I stand by what is written: Hebrews 10:26-27 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries

Romans 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Prayer: Psalms 5:3; Psalms 6:9; Psalms 17:1; Psalms 39:2 Psalms 42:8; Psalms 69:13; Psalms 86:6; Psalms 88:13; Psalms 143:1

1 Kings 8:39-40 Then hear thou in heaven thy dwelling place, and forgive, and do, and give to every man according to his ways, whose heart thou knowest; (for thou, [even] thou only, knowest the hearts of all the children of men;) That they may fear thee all the days that they live in the land which thou gavest unto our fathers.

2 Ch 6:19-20 Have respect therefore to the prayer of thy servant, and to his supplication, O LORD my God, to hearken unto the cry and the prayer which thy servant prayeth before thee: That thine eyes may be open upon this house day and night, upon the place whereof thou hast said that thou wouldest put thy name there; to hearken unto the prayer which thy servant prayeth toward this place.

2 Ch 6:21-23 Hearken therefore unto the supplications of thy servant, and of thy people Israel, which they shall make toward this place: hear thou from thy dwelling place, [even] from heaven; and when thou hearest, forgive.If a man sin against his neighbour, and an oath be laid upon him to make him swear, and the oath come before thine altar in this house; Then hear thou from heaven, and do, and judge thy servants, by requiting the wicked, by recompensing his way upon his own head; and by justifying the righteous, by giving him according to his righteousness. 2 Ch 6:24 Then hear thou from heaven, and do, and judge thy servants, by requiting the wicked, by recompensing his way upon his own head; and by justifying the righteous, by giving him according to his righteousness. Then hear thou from the heavens, and forgive the sin of thy people Israel, and bring them again unto the land which thou gavest to them and to their fathers.



Good Bye

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If we say I failed in my heart and mind not to avoid willful sin, after which I had asked in Christ name to led me from tempation. Then we do not believe in Christ's power and authority over the ememy. Christ is the armor we are to put on...

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Why do you blame the failure of sinful man on a Holy God? As I pointed out to you before, but it appears that you skimmed over it, paul himself speaks about his imperfect obedience. Is that God's fault?

Why would scripture says to restore one who has fallen into sin?

Gal 6:1-3
6:1 Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, considering yourself lest you also be tempted. 2 Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.
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And a warning to you or others who believe that you do not sin after being saved - read the next verse:

Gal 6:3-4
3 For if anyone thinks himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceives himself.
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This is in the context of those who think themselves better than those brothers in Christ who have sinned.

As for wilfuill sin after being saved, you seem to have willfully twice ignored the context of the very verse that you use validate this claim. That who section of scripture is not speaking of sin in general, but it is speaking of salvation. It is speaking of those who wilfilly reject their salvation in Christ. I won't go back through the whole thing again, but look at Paul's summary line:

Heb 10:39
39 But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul.
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You are taking the verse out of context.

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I stand by what is written..

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I already refuted your use of the first passage that you use, now let's look at the second:

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Romans 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

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Now first of all - is sin of the flesh any worse than sin of the mind? Both are sin and both are worthy of sending us to hell. Scripture nowhere says that one is okay and the other isn't, so your claim to separate these is wrong.

Further, Jesus said that His sacrifice on the cross paid the price for ALL sin. Not just sins of the mind or sins of the flesh:

1 John 1:8-10
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
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Lastly, scripture says that if you fail to keep one part of the law (in your flesh or in your mind - doesn't make a difference), then you have failed to keep it all:

James 2:9-10
10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
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So if you place yourself under the law, you will be judged by the law.

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(3 evident in idenity)
1. go and tell him his fault between you and him
2. But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more
3. he shall neglect to hear them, tell [it] unto the church:

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Exactly - it does not says that we have to come to Christ three times. This is a matter of discipline. This is not the same thing at all.

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You did indeed defend me, (But this was not unlike a field of sheep that needs to watch for the peditor) You fell to the deception that was spoken,(it was not I that spoke of anyone hurtfully) but you agreed that it was I that was causing harm.

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I never said that you were causing harm - quite the contrary - I said that I wish that I could understand you better so that we could have some good discussions over your ideas. Read again.

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Getting a bit on the picky side aren't we?

That was not suggesting that pryaers are not answered, but often people only mean that they are answered if we get what we want. The point is that prayers may be answered as you want, but God may also, and very often does, say no, or wait.

If you respond again, it may take me a couple of days to respond. Check my bottom link below to see why.

sndbay
I believe that Jesus said the what goes in a persons mouth is not dirty but what comes out sometimes is.
I think that applies also to written words.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Jesus taught:

Matthew 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

Matthew 5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

Matthew 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

Matthew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

Matthew 5:10 Blessed are they which are [persecuted] for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and [persecute you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

Matthew 5:12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Good-Bye Fred, Enjoy the Holiday ahead..

sndbay,
Thanks... and...
O hope and pray that you have a wonderful, thankful Thanksgiving
And a very merry joyful Christmas.
Fred

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Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

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Note that scripture tell us how that perfection comes about:

Rom 4:22-25
22 And therefore "it was accounted to him for righteousness." 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, 24 but also for us. It shall be imputed to us who believe in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead, 25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised because of our justification.
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It is therefore HIS righteousness, not ours. Also note:

1 John 1:9-10
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
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I grew up in a very god fearing home and have devoted all my live to christ but I am also a very open minded person!


Here's the thing!
God forgives when you sincerely ask for forgiveness!
And there is 2 things he won't forgive ignorance and blaspheme!

If you do something over and over while at the same time hoping that god will forgive you in the end I think that's just being selfish!



And if you think or know that TV is what's cousing you to sin!
Then get rid of it!

Because knowing this and still continue to do it, I think its just cheating yourself in the end!

And you know what its not all about praying, its about being smart and living your life in the way that god would want you to live it


Hope that helps
I've been in the same situation

Jay Dolce
Thanks for sharing your beliefs with us.
I tend to agree with much of what you say.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

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Note that scripture tell us how that perfection comes about:

Rom 4:22-25
22 And therefore "it was accounted to him for righteousness." 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, 24 but also for us. It shall be imputed to us who believe in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead, 25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised because of our justification.
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It is therefore HIS righteousness, not ours. Also note:

1 John 1:9-10
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
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Hebrew 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

And as written the principles of the doctrine of Christ:

Hebrew 6:2-3 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this we will do, if God permit.

Why? because as it is written

Hebrew 6: 4-6 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, [and] have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, [And] have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [Him] to an open shame.

Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Hebrew 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

How do we die?

1 Peter 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? <----Question?

Therefore: as it is written

Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Yield to righteousness = (the act of good standing in God)

Romans 6:19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.

Again why?

1 Corinthians 15:42-44 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

1 Corinthains 15:48-49 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

1 Corinthinas 15 :50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Christ died for us once, we can not expect Him to do it again, and again. We are baptized into a newlife, believing in Christ, walking in Christ. We are sown to Christ, and told to be a servant as He was a servant in righteosuness. It is our mind and heart, our soul that shall bear of the heavenly image, and we are judged not by the flesh of our sin for Christ paid the price, but by the heart of our righeousness. Because it is the heart, mind and soul that must put on the incorruption by death in Christ with baptism. The string of death is sin; the strength of sin is law. For we know we labor not in vain when we labor in Christ our Lord. Free Will to leave all and follow Christ.

1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
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3 evident identity are used throughout scripture for all that is said in Spiritual Truth and for what is said of the heart of truth.

Do you love Me, Peter? Yes Lord! 3 times in evident identity to loving Christ.

My heart of ( baring witness) is to what I speak as being true of my love for God, is given in love of Spiritual Truth. The Father, The Son, The Holy Ghost

Yes I love you, Father
Yes I love you, Christ
Yes I love you, Holy Ghost

Remain sown to "One" and walk in newlife.

Thank you Lord for all that You have given us in love and mercy. Grant us Your guidance and led us away from sin. Give charge over Your holy angels to protect us from our enemies. Giving all praise,honor and glory unto You forever and ever. I ask this in the glory of Jesus name. Amen

Happy Holidays to all.. Good-Bye to all.. (3 evident identities in Good -bye)

sndbay ,
You are good at arguing your point.
Fred

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Hebrew 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

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And so on and so forth.

Again, what is you point with all these verses?

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Don't play games with words. You said that we had to come to Jesus 3 times - where does scripture says that?

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Don't play games with words. You said that we had to come to Jesus 3 times - where does scripture says that?

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Posted 134 sndbay establish evident identity

Posted 141 Showing the evident identity as steps 1 2 3

It is you Tj3, shown in your post of 142 that elected to say something I did not say. and now you wish for me to explain your words?

I have told how scripture shows us that with a matter of 3 evident indentities, God's intervention then come to pass. From the beginning shown in 3 days God gives each day the evident identity to what came to pass with God's plan and intervention. And again in the next 3 days creation of life came through God's intervention yet each day holding it's own evident identity to what was done. Not one can be excluded but will always hold it's evident identity.

In respect to what is written we follow the instructions of evident identity in establishing right from wrong. My efforts were to allow you to see what the text of my message was saying.

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And so on and so forth.

Again, what is you point with all these verses?

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Tj3 I hope you can recognize this web site and it's message.

Is It Right To Judge Others?

By Pastor E. L. Bynum
Tabernacle Baptist Church, Lubbock, Texas.
“Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment” (John 7:24). Here out Lord commands that we are to “judge righteous judgment,” which is judgment based upon the Word of God. If judgment is made upon any other basis, other than the Word of God, it is a violation of Matt.7:1. Webster's Dictionary says that a judge is “one who declares the law.” The faithful Christian must discern or judge on the basis of God's inspired law, the Bible.
A fornicator is described in 1 Cor.5: 1-13. 'Paul “judged” (v.3) the man even though he was absent, and he told the church at Corinth that they were to “judge” (v.12) those that were within. The Greek word for “judge” is the same here as in Matt.7: 1. Paul did not violate “judge not, that ye be not judged,” in judging the man, nor in instructing the Church to judge also. All of this judgment was according to the Word of God.
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Note this is written by Tom Smith, and shown on his web site.

http://www.geocities.com/smithtj.geo/judge.html
by Tom Smith
Matt 7:1-6
7:1 "Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. 3 And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me remove the speck from your eye'; and look, a plank is in your own eye? 5 Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck out of your brother's eye. 6 Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.
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Note that the verse goes on after the first verse to tell us how we should judge and the clear message is that we should judge fairly. Matt 7:1 has to be interpreted both in light of the context of the surrounding text as well as the whole of scripture. If indeed God tells us to judge, and gives us the gift of discernment (judging), and then tells us to be careful to judge fairly, then the message is to judge, but judge properly. Jesus further shows this to be consistent with his message in John 7:24, where he says:
John 7:24
24 Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment."
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So Tom how is it that you can judge the appearance of the way I speak and write? Rather then judgement of what was contained in what I said or wrote? Every word I said fell to ridicule, and was scrutinized by your discernment. Then you called me picky for questioning your own words written on prayer. And I can be found giving you the right to interpret when by questioning it only, rather then doing as you have done to me. NOT once have you apologized for your actions. Because you obviously don't see the hypocrisy of your actions, and comparison to your teaching as shown in your work on the web

Proverb 11:9 An hypocrite with [his] mouth destroyeth his neighbour: but through knowledge shall the just be delivered.

Matthew 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

God is very patience and loving, His promise is of Spiritual Truth in all that is wirtten.

Matthew 7:7-8 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

The principles of the doctrine of Christ includes all that is written. And you have shown that your path is that of pride. Not of belief in baptism gaining new life with the Spirit. Not understanding that there are 2 bodies even as Christ told us in ( I Corinthians 12:3 ) Christ spoke by the Spirit of His Father, and you can not call Jesus accursed. = (can not say Jesus is not one with the Spirit) No man can say that Jesus is the Lord except to say by the Holy Spirit. God worketh all in all = God's energy,God's intervention worketh all. This Spirit is given unto all through baptism, and faith in Christ ( 2:7 ) according to God's Will ( 12:11 ) By one Spirit we are baptized into one body ( 12:13 )

Philippians 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.


God's energy, intervention by the Spirit.

Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure.
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2 Thesslonians 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

2 Thesslonians 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

God kniows your heart and your shortcomings.
He knows if you are playing games or if you really are having problems you are having a hard time overcoming.
Read your Bible more. Especially Romans, Galatians, Hebrews and James. Try and find a really good Bible study that relates to living in today's times.
We are to work on giving our problems and sins over to Jesus to help us overcome. Like I said hand in there because God kniows your heart and the Holy Spirit will bring you through in time.

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Posted 134 sndbay establish evident identity

Posted 141 Showing the evident identity as steps 1 2 3

It is you Tj3, shown in your post of 142 that elected to say something I did not say. And now you wish for me to explain your words?

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First, I did not author post #142. So are you holding me acciountable for what someone else said?

Sndbay, you said that we had to come three times. Here is the quote from post #130:

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God tells us to come forth 3 times...

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Now if that was not your intent, perhaps this is because of the way that you communicate. As we said, it is often difficult to figure out what exactly you are trying to say.

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I have told how scripture shows us that with a matter of 3 evident indentities, God's intervention then come to pass. From the beginning shown in 3 days God gives each day the evident identity to what came to pass with God's plan and intervention. And again in the next 3 days creation of life came through God's intervention yet each day holding it's own evident identity to what was done. Not one can be excluded but will always hold it's evident identity.

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So, as I have asked before - what is your point?
What are you trying to say? What has this to do with the discussion?
What do you mean by your term "evident identity"?
What does it have to do with you claim that God told us to come forth three times?
Where in scripture did God tell us to come forth three time?
What does this claim about God telling us to come forth three times have to do with the discussion?

Sndbay, I am trying to understand you, but you need to help out here.

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Tj3 I hope you can recognize this web site and it's message.[/B]

Is It Right To Judge Others?

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Note that the verse goes on after the first verse to tell us how we should judge and the clear message is that we should judge fairly. Matt 7:1 has to be interpreted both in light of the context of the surrounding text as well as the whole of scripture. If indeed God tells us to judge, and gives us the gift of discernment (judging), and then tells us to be careful to judge fairly, then the message is to judge, but judge properly. Jesus further shows this to be consistent with his message in John 7:24, where he says:
John 7:24
24 Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment."
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Yep - I am in full agreement.

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So Tom how is it that you can judge the appearance of the way I speak and write? Rather then judgement of what was contained in what I said or wrote?

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First, sndbay, what scripture is referring to and what the article is referring to is right judgment of a person. That is not the issue here.

Second, I am not judging how you speak, but rather, if you remember, I indiacted regret that we were not unable to better understand you because I would like to be able to discuss some of your ideas. So my comments were not judging you, nor the appearance of how you talk, but it was rather regretting that it was not easier to communicate with you.

It is in fact you who turned around and judged anyone who even dared to comment on the difficulty in understanding the way that you choose to communicate. Basically your message is that we are all wrong for being unable to understand you, when you choose tio communicate in a fashion which is not easily understood. Then you call us hypocrites, and accuse us of all sorts of things, and yet I for one, and there others who want to discuss with you.

In past discussions, I have asked you numerous times what you p[oint was when it was not clear what eactly you were trying to say. You did not answer.

I have been trying to get you to clarify what exactly you mean by saying that we must come three time, which then turned into something that you choose to call a evidence identity, and despite efforts to get your to clarify in clear terms, you don't, and rather turn around and make accustaions.

Who then is judging who?

If English is not your first language, I can understand, but it appears to men that you generally have a good grasp of grammatical structure, so I tend to think that is not the issue. You also seemed to suggest that it was a choice by saying that the way that you communicate was a gift from God. If you choose to talk in an obscure manner, then don't judge those who do their darndest to try to understand you.

I will stand by my earlier statement that I made when I defended you. I, for one, would like to be able to have straightforward discussions with you so that I could better understand you, and perhaps some good discussions on where we agree and disagree on doctrine. Your choice.

Enough is enough is the topic here. And I think we have had enouph picky picky on and at sndbay.

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So, as I have asked before - what is your point?
What are you trying to say? What has this to do with the discussion?
What do you mean by your term "evident identity"?
What does it have to do with you claim that God told us to come forth three times?
Where in scripture did God tell us to come forth three time?
What does this claim about God telling us to come forth three times have to do with the discussion?

sndbay, I am trying to understand you, but you need to help out here.

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1. So, as I have asked before - what is your point? my point was to show evidence of what I meant and wrote. To clear up any issue of confusion that I was accused of doing.

2.What are you trying to say? That there is a deeper meaning in all that is written in scripture. That names, numbers, and all that is witten in scripture holds those deeper meaning, and we should be willing to ask questions and learn what we can. That God willing, does reveal to those who seek.

3. What has this to do with the discussion? Nothing.. Just as Fred has stated... It is off the topic.. Rather it has all fallen to less then what it should have by deception.

4. What do you mean by your term "evident identity"? Look to scripture, and find the answer. Why did Christ go to pray three times? Why three conmmissions finds it's final step in deliverance of Israel? Why 3 suppers before the last supper? Why three days in the resurrection of Christ known as The Third Day? From all these sufficient occurances, we can easily understand that when we read of three, that the third will be the final to come to pass in which we will identify in evidence of divine intervention. All three however are noted as three in the same.

5. What does it have to do with you claim that God told us to come forth three times? In showing right from wrong when we are up against what was intended as faith in love for God. The three steps which scripture has told us to take in the correction of that wrongly done.


6. What does this claim about God telling us to come forth three times have to do with the discussion? The discussion of topic and thread or dicussion of correction to bring forth the heart felt truth of what I said in love for Christ.

For future refer in study... seek the answer.. Ask what three evident identity and intervention, did God take for us to know Acts 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

God reveals as He wills.

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1. So, as I have asked before - what is your point?my point was to show evidence of what I meant and wrote. To clear up any issue of confusion that I was accused of doing.

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But that is the point that I was making - I am trying to understand what you meant, and I am hoping that you will explain what you are trying to say in plain straightforward English.

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2.What are you trying to say? That there is a deeper meaning in all that is written in scripture. That names, numbers, and all that is witten in scripture holds those deeper meaning, and we should be willing to ask questions and learn what we can. That God willing, does reveal to those who seek.

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Yes there can in fact be a deeper meaning in scripture, but that is not found through gnostic revelation. Understanding scripture comes by allowing it to interpret itself, with the illumination and guidance of the Holy Spirit.

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[B]3. What has this to do with the discussion?Nothing.. Just as Fred has stated... It is off the topic.. Rather it has all fallen to less then what it should have by deception.

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They why did you raise the "three times" comment in the first place if you won't explain it?

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[B]4. What do you mean by your term "evident identity"?Look to scripture, and find the answer. Why did Christ go to pray three times? Why three conmmissions finds it's final step in deliverance of Israel? Why 3 suppers before the last supper? Why three days in the resurrection of Christ known as The Third Day? From all these sufficient occurrences, we can easily understand that when we read of three, that the third will be the final to come to pass in which we will identify in evidence of divine intervention. All three however are noted as three in the same.

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This again does not make logic sense, and you did not explain what I asked, which is what do you mean by the term "evident identity".

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[B]5. What does it have to do with you claim that God told us to come forth three times?In showing right from wrong when we are up against what was intended as faith in love for God. The three steps which scripture has told us to take in the correction of that wrongly done.

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But scripture does not say to to come forth three times. I have asked for your reference and am still waiting.

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[B]6. What does this claim about God telling us to come forth three times have to do with the discussion?The discussion of topic and thread or dicussion of correction to bring forth the heart felt truth of what I said in love for Christ.

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That has nothing to do with coming forth three times. And coming forth for what three times? The original context of what we were discussion was salvation. Do you see why we say that what you are saying is hard to understand?

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For future refer in study... seek the answer.. Ask what three evident identity and intervention, did God take for us to know Acts 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

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Again, this has nothing to do with coming forward three times - so what does this verse have to do with the topic? If you would expl;ain clearly, in straightforward English, it would greatly help!

I have to agree that I do not follow the three times thing and it could confuse the OP even more making them feel more insecure that they are missing the boat. I think the OP needs some straight forward replies that do not make them feel more helpless.