Jesus came to Earth to save the world. Jesus will return to send those who never heard of Him and also all those unbelievers to hell?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
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Jesus came to Earth to save the world. Jesus will return to send those who never heard of Him and also all those unbelievers to hell?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
The message of the gospel, which is clearly in the pages of Scripture, is not a story that says, “Because Jesus achieved this, therefore we are all automatically forgiven.”Quote:
Jesus came to Earth to save the world
Yet we are all automatically loved.Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
You keep asking me because you already know what Jesus said about this. You don't like His answer, so you want to ask someone else. I would suggest you lay your preconceived ideas aside and believe Him.Quote:
Jesus came to Earth to save the world. Jesus will return to send those who never heard of Him and also all those unbelievers to hell?
That's not what's going on here. Please butt out.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
That's exactly what's going on. Besides, you asked me a question at 4:55.
Are you mad because I told you the truth? Why don't you believe what Jesus said?
What's love got to do with it?Quote:
Yet we are all automatically loved.
I'm not mad. waltero and I are in a discussion, and using short, simple sentences.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Opps, I lost track of any such discussion days ago.Quote:
waltero and I are in a discussion
Too much animosity in this room.
(Sounds like the name of a song by Tina Turner in 1984!)Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
Love for humanity is why Jesus came to earth and died on the cross.
We both know I do. I'll give you a little more time (as I did originally with the USN reaction re the issue) for you to fess up.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
No, you believe what an unknown author wrote in a book several centuries ago. I encourage you to consider that.Quote:
I believe what Jesus said is true. I would encourage you to do the same.
You don't like getting a taste of your own medicine, do you? Too sour?Quote:
That's already been explained to you. Remember? Present tense, future tense?
I pray you don't teach those children your ideas re hell.Quote:
My fifth graders could have easily understood it and I'm sure you can as well.
You clearly do. You've repeated it enough times here.Quote:
I don't have a Jesus/hell message.
Afraid to speak out on your own? You're not much of a disciple.Quote:
I just quote what He said.
You're right that I don't like your message. Who would like billions of people winding up in hell being tortured for all eternity? Is that something YOU like? No, it does not drive me nuts. It does sicken me, tho.Quote:
You don't like it, and it drives you nuts.
No need to - it's been posted enough times.Quote:
I'll post this again for your benefit and for the benefit of those who want to see your deceit at work.
Right.Quote:
We both know I do. I'll give you a little more time (as I did originally with the USN reaction re the issue) for you to fess up.
Yep. We've been round this maypole enough. People can read your effort and decide for themselves. We'll just wait for your Navy fantasy to work itself out.Quote:
No need to - it's been posted enough times.
As we wait for your hell fantasy to work itself out.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
The idea is not mine. Yes, we will wait to see how it works out.
I have a pretty good Idea of how it works out. Work it out anyway you choose.
We are in Hell right now (separated from God), God's presence is known. If we reject God's love (one and only Son)we will be hangen around this place for the rest of 'time', without the presence of God. For those who believe in the one and Only Son (Jesus), will simply slip into eternity with Christ Jesus. We deserve Hell (our sin), Hell makes sense, Heaven makes no sense (a gift). You can believe in what ever Hell you wish. Why bother denying it's existence? Because you don't want to believe an all loving God would...what exactly??? God’s wrath is to be feared because God promises eternal punishment apart from Christ (Matthew 25:46).
Have it your way. You want to live 'Your" life go for it. You live breath work slave for this World, this world is not going to end well. Who is worthy...None other than the name Jesus (the Son of the Living God), seek his Kingdom and you will enter eternal Bliss.
It is by grace, that we are saved from time eternal...in this life and the next.
That seems reasonable to me when I think of all the evils in this life. Maybe we're at the basement level of the elevator that will someday take us to heaven. I wonder if there will be stops along the way -- or maybe we are experiencing those stops now on our way up.Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
Good image.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
It's far removed from an eternal place of unending torture for those who never heard of Jesus. I wonder if the evangelicals will accept it?
How much of the animosity have you contributed to?Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
I'm guessing they will say the elevator is on its way down, not up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Athos
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Originally Posted by waltero https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/images...post-right.png
Opps, I lost track of any such discussion days ago.
Too much animosity in this room.
From what I've read of waltero's posts, he isn't displaying animosity. He too often expresses his thoughts in convoluted sentences that are beyond my diagramming ability.Quote:
Originally Posted by Athos
I see those convoluted and careless ideas as expressing animosity trying to evade and confuse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
We will have to agree to disagree.
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
LOL - the Bible thumper jumps in with his threats - the fun continues.
"Unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins."
They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. Sanctify them in the truth [set them apart for Your purposes, make them holy]; Your word is truth.
How do we make them holy?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
We don't.
Then how can we help?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Tell them the truth.
And that is?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Read the text to find out.
You certainly wouldn't start out with that. How would you begin?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I wouldn’t start out with the truth? What??
So clobber them.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
You would? I wouldn’t.
You've never been to classes on how to successfully evangelize?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Why would you clobber them?
YOU right off the bat clobber them with "the truth," you said.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I never said that. You did. Are you OK?
You said, "I wouldn’t start out with the truth? What??"Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
No, that's not how you start.
What do you mean when you say, "evangelize"?
So you start off with a lie? Well...that's unique.
There are only opposites in your life? No shades of gray?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
First thing to do is make a connection.
Again. What do you mean when you say, "evangelize"?
I don't think you figured out what "truth" is.
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