So choosing to do something has nothing to do with choice? Not sure I'm following that reasoning.

I choose to stab you for no reason, waltero. Is that a sin?

I choose to smile at you, waltero. Is that a sin?

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I choose to smile at you, waltero. Is that a sin?

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Yes. What makes you choose to smile at me?
Can God sin? Can God choose to sin? Could Jesus sin?

One thing is for sure; man has a choice. Man is continually presented with choices. Just as they say - any person can flip out at any given second. Humans can and do change their minds at the drop of a hat.

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Yes. What makes you choose to smile at me?

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Being nice to someone is a sin?

Why would I? Perhaps I saw you at McDonald's when you gave a homeless man a few dollar bills. Or perhaps I saw you petting and talking to a dog at the animal shelter.

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Being nice to someone is a sin?

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Yes. If it doesn't come from God it is a sin. Your goodness, your being nice has little to no value.

Can God sin? No
Can God choose to sin? No
Could Jesus sin? Yes

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One thing is for sure; man has a choice. Man is continually presented with choices. Just as they say - any person can flip out at any given second. Humans can and do change their minds at the drop of a hat.

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That's what I said.

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Yes. If it doesn't come from God it is a sin. Your goodness, your being nice has little to no value.

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I totally disagree. So when a Hindu or a Sikh or a Buddhist is nice, that's a sin??? Absolutely not!

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Could Jesus sin? Yes

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This is where you go amiss.

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That's what I said.

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You are confusing choice with free will.

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I totally disagree.

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There goes your mind again. Try not to think with your carnal mind, just for a moment, please. When either of you agree or disagree, then you become blind. You don't want to understand because you have already made up your mind.

I'm taking it slow. I haven't come to the point yet, and already you have made up your mind?

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This is where you go amiss

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Jesus was true man and true God. Remember the stories in the NT when Jesus was tempted to sin, but He didn't?

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You are confusing choice with free will.

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Free will says I have a choice.

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Could Jesus sin? Yes

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This is where you go amiss.

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One thing is for sure; man has a choice. Man is continually presented with choices. Just as they say - any person can flip out at any given second. Humans can and do change their minds at the drop of a hat. -
That's what I said.

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You are confusing choice with free will.

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I totally disagree.

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There goes your mind again. Try not to think with your carnal mind, just for a moment, please. When either of you agree or disagree, then you become blind. You don't want to understand because you have already made up your mind.

I'm taking it slow. I haven't come to the point yet, and already you have made up your mind?

Have it your way. You are correct. Your way is best. Don't bother trying to figure it out...it appears you already have it all figured out (as if anybody is able to figure out God).

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That is an observation but not an example. I asked for an example concerning your comment about, "...non-binary in plants, insects, animals, birds, humans

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Google is your friend.

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How do you know that bi-polar illness and autism are genetic abnormalities? They might very well be, but I haven't heard that.

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Bipolar runs in my father side of the family. At least one person in each of three generations has been medically diagnosed as bipolar.

Autism runs in my husband's father's side of the family. Three generations have been affected. Three males were professionally diagnosed.

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This is where you go amiss. You are confusing choice with free will.

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Free will gives an individual the opportunity to make choices. If no free will, then no choices.

I have free will. I can go to McDonald's and order a chocolate sundae instead of a caramel sundae.

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What do you mean when you say that?

WG, does God have free will?

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What do you mean when you say that?

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I mean for her to hold her horses before she brings in outside forces (like - Hindu or a Sikh or a Buddhis) to block her mind.

It is as plain as day. Before the fall, man had free will. After the fall man no longer has free will. Free will is the power or capacity of humans to make decisions or perform actions independently of any prior event or prior state of the universe.

I don't mean about Wondergirl. I just mean what does thinking with the carnal mind mean for anyone?

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It has much to do with the same fact that I don't want to go off onto another tangent.

It is as plain as day. Before the fall, man had free will. After the fall man no longer has free will. Free will is the power or capacity of humans to make decisions or perform actions independently of any prior event or prior state of the universe.

When you say your "choice" you are referring to Lucifer's choice.
As a Christian; when you say "good choice" you are saying God's choice.

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IIt is as plain as day. Before the fall, man had free will. After the fall man no longer has free will. Free will is the power or capacity of humans to make decisions or perform actions independently of any prior event or prior state of the universe.

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God gave. Adam and Eve free will after He created them. They had a choice to eat from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil -- or not. Eve decided the fruit looked good, so she ate of it, then handed some to Adam to munch on. That's how sin came into the world.

Come on Walter. What does it mean to "think with the carnal mind?" This is not an answer.

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It has much to do with the same fact that I don't want to go off onto another tangent.

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That's the problem with this forum and the two of you. You are simply looking for an argument. I'd like to stay on subject. is that ok? Soon (as always) the two of you will go off half-blistered on an entirely different tangent.

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That's right. Free will was a thing before the event. There is no more free will. We have already chosen. The choice was death. Now we are in the Devil's playground...sin makes the choice for us, sin has already made the choice for us. Whether you know it or not, sin is directing your choice...and we will always choose sin unless the intervention of God.

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After the fall man no longer has free will. Free will is the power or capacity of humans to make decisions or perform actions independently of any prior event or prior state of the universe.

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Not true. We have free will. We can make choices.

Don't you understand? We have already made our choice... Adam and Eve made the choice for us.
What? You didn't get a say? Sin already made that choice for you.