Dave,

Only kidding and anyone that has taken a look at your profile has GOT to know that.

WG... interesting questions and thoughts. I will get back to you.

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hmmmm? Interesting Joe. VERY interesting.

However, 13% of what Jesus had to say concerning hell doesn't say we get a second chance. Believe you me, I would LOVE that. I have dear people in my life who are atheist.

But consider these verses: Revelation 22:11 Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile continue to be vile; let him who does right continue to do right; and let him who is holy continue to be holy."

and then of course this one which is horrible : Rev. 21: 8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars--their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."

What do you make of that. It sounds to ME...in whatever state we die..we stay in that state. Or do you think I have that wrong...I don't know? any thoughts?

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That has nothing to do with what I wrote does it?

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NK..i believe it is a real place. There is more descriptions other than revelation, if like WG and Dave, you don't take that book literal. (revelation i mean)

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So which parts of the bible are literal and which aren't? So hell is indeed a fiery sulphur lake?

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So which parts of the bible are literal and which aren't? So hell is indeed a fiery sulphur lake?

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"The mountains and hills will burst into song before you, and all the trees of the field will clap their hands" (Isaiah 55:12) is not literal.

Hell is standing in line and never getting to the cashier.

Is heaven a real place?

If we could work out how many angels can dance on the point of a needle then perhaps there is an answer.

Angles dancing on the point of a needle was probably introduced to mock medieval scholasticism. However, I think the answer is probably in the millions if not billions.

If heaven is a real place then hell would be too.

Tut

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hmmmm? Interesting Joe. VERY interesting.

However, 13% of what Jesus had to say concerning hell doesn't say we get a second chance. Believe you me, I would LOVE that. I have dear people in my life who are atheist.

But consider these verses: Revelation 22:11 Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile continue to be vile; let him who does right continue to do right; and let him who is holy continue to be holy."

and then of course this one which is horrible : Rev. 21: 8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars--their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."

What do you make of that. It sounds to ME...in whatever state we die..we stay in that state. Or do you think I have that wrong...I don't know? any thoughts?

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Yep, I'm burning in hell. Good thing I already reserved my seat on the bus.

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yep, i'm burning in hell. good thing i already reserved my seat on the bus.

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Can I have Edith and the kids?

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Can I have Edith and the kids?

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Sure, but I'm hoping to live for at least a bit longer before I have to cash in that ticket.

It's a good thing I'm not going to the christian afterlife. Heaven would never let me in and I'm pretty sure I would just confuse the devil.

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it's a good thing i'm not going to the christian afterlife.

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You might be surprised where you end up. Plus, I'm going to be in charge of kitty litter scooping in heaven, so I'll be glad for your help.

I will go to limbo, or whatever you want to call it, while my soul faces and processes all that happened in this life. When I'm ready, I'll move on and wait to be reborn.

Rather or not limbo will be a pleasant place, I cna't say. I guess it all depends on how my life turns out.

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So which parts of the bible are literal and which aren't? So hell is indeed a fiery sulphur lake?

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NK,

I believe it is a fiery sulphur lake that doesn't illuminate light, because in other parts of the bible, Jesus describes it as outer darkness, or completely dark. Can't see your hands in front of your face. Also you can hear weeping according to the Lord.

I think Revelation is the only book that Dave, ( who I consider very smart, regardless of my teasing) doesn't take as being literal. I think there is a lot of symbolism in Revelation but that is for another thread.

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Is heaven a real place?

If we could work out how many angels can dance on the point of a needle then perhaps there is an answer.

Angles dancing on the point of a needle was probably introduced to mock medieval scholasticism. However, I think the answer is probably in the millions if not billions.

If heaven is a real place then hell would be too.

Tut

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If you believe the Bible.. Hell is a real place, Heaven is a real place. The Bible doesn't discuss dancing angels on heads of pin. No matter how profound that may seem. :confused:

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i will go to limbo, or whatever you want to call it, while my soul faces and processes all that happened in this life. when i'm ready, i'll move on and wait to be reborn.

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There's no more Limbo. The Catholic Church got rid of it. You're out of luck and are stuck with me and the kitty litter.

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If we could work out how many angels can dance on the point of a needle then perhaps there is an answer.

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Hello? The answer is: NONE! Everybody knows dancing is a sin!! Duh!

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There's no more Limbo. The Catholic Church got rid of it. You're out of luck and are stuck with me and the kitty litter.

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Hmmm... I was unaware the catholic church possessed that level of power. Whodathunk?

An eternity of cleaning out litter boxes sounds an awful lot like hell to me. Shouldn't all the cats in heaven be toilet trained, or something?

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hmmm...i was unaware the catholic church possessed that level of power. whodathunk?

an eternity of cleaning out litter boxes sounds an awful lot like hell to me. shouldn't all the cats in heaven be toilet trained, or something?

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I'll start praying about that tonight. Good idea. Since the lion will lie down with the lamb, why not toilet-trained cats? Then you and I can spend all our time in the celestial kitchen baking brownies and making cupcakes.

Brownies from heaven sound real good to me! :)

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I'll start praying about that tonight. Good idea. Since the lion will lie down with the lamb, why not toilet-trained cats? Then you and I can spend all our time in the celestial kitchen baking brownies and making cupcakes.

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I'm more at home with power tools than a stove.

I think I'll leave heaven to you. Maybe I'll be lucky and be reborn as a cat.

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i'm more at home with power tools than a stove.

i think i'll leave heaven to you. maybe i'll be lucky and be reborn as a cat.

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Jesus was a carpenter. He might need your help.

If you come back as a cat, please be potty trained.

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If you believe the Bible..Hell is a real place, Heaven is a real place. The Bible doesn't discuss dancing angels on heads of pin. No matter how profound that may seem. :confused:

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Hi Wondergirl

I believe the Bible is accurate when it comes to heaven and hell.

Apparently St. Thomas addressed the problem in the Middle Ages. Even more amazing is the fact that some physicists have actually attempt to work out the number of angles that would fit on the point of a needle.
I am not sure if they allowed room for dancing in their calculations.

Based on this one would assume that heaven and hell are extremely tiny places.


Tut