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  • Apr 25, 2009, 10:23 AM
    lighterrr
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jezzy1 View Post
    Lets call the Old Testament. The law of Moses, and call the New Testament. The new covenant. In the old, the laws were strict and hard to live by, yes? I don't care who you are NO ONE can live by the Bible NO ONE, not even Moses himself was able to live by these rules. as you read in the Bible he was forbidden to set foot in the promise land, by GOD himself. Now our country has been founded by these standards guess what, we failed, yep even christians, We All Fall Short Of The Glory Of God! Sound familiar. Knowing This our Lord Jesus came back and redeemed us all, hence the New Testament. Read the Gospels, Mathew, Mark, Luke and John to help you understand the New Testament. Bottom line my friend Don't follow religion. Follow the way the truth and the light, JESUS!!!!!
    JEZZY I agree with you to an extent. Look jesus came to SHOW US THE WAY WE SHOULD live, no man ever wii come close to the elevation of spirituality that jesus had, he came to school the sheep. But jesus is not the saviour of mankind we are all our own saviour. Look there's no free lunch people you want to get close to the almighty God, you got to work on yourself from the core of your being, meaning from the soul within and stop saying I believe in jesus so I am saved. Get a reality check. Jeuss came to give us the theory it's up to us to apply the praxis.:)
  • Apr 25, 2009, 10:30 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by lighterrr View Post
    JEZZY i agree with you to an extent. Look jesus came to SHOW US THE WAY WE SHOULD live, no man ever wii come close to the elevation of spirituality that jesus had, he came to school the sheep. But jesus is not the saviour of mankind we are all our own saviour. Look there's no free lunch people you want to get close to the almighty God, you got to work on yourself from the core of your being, meaning from the soul within and stop saying i beleive in jesus so i am saved. Get a reality check. Jeuss came to give us the theory it's up to us to apply the praxis.:)
    Not only did Jesus show us how to live, but also He Himself bought us that free lunch. He even told us that we don't have to make our own or buy it from somewhere. His is FREE!
  • Apr 25, 2009, 10:38 AM
    lighterrr
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Not only did Jesus show us how to live, but also He Himself bought us that free lunch. He even told us that we don't have to make our own or buy it from somewhere. His is FREE!!
    Wonder you are right we share the same views except we just interrupt it differently.

    I see it as jesus was the ultimate role model, he was like the teacher and I am the student, it's through his life that set the example, that man should live by, but we have to work on ourselves to come close to his level of spiritual elevation.

    I guess you believe that he is the saviour and through him and him only will you be able to receive the glory of god?


    As far as I see we have the same beliefs but different interpretations!
  • Apr 25, 2009, 10:55 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by lighterrr View Post
    i guess you believe that he is the saviour and through him and him only will you be able to receive the glory of god?
    I believe He was more than just a good man. I believe His life and death made me right with God again. I believe we limit God and make Him too small when we say only "good Christians" will enjoy the afterlife.
  • Apr 25, 2009, 11:38 AM
    classyT

    WG...

    I believe all christians( the good, bad and ugly) will be saved and enjoy heaven. I base my beliefs on the BIBLE. I don't make God small... I also don't ADD to his Word to fix the things that I do not understand.
  • Apr 25, 2009, 11:43 AM
    Athos
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by classyT View Post
    This is a Christianity Board. It is based on faith and our ONLY authority is the Bible.

    NOw, having said that I have given reddies on the Christain board if what someone says it biblically wrong and i can give scrpitrue to back it up.
    ClassyT - Please clarify what you're saying here.

    I understand this board to be on the topic Christianity. I further understand that anyone can post on the topic - regardless of their beliefs.

    You seem to be saying the board is based on faith and the only authority is the Bible (for this Board). Does that mean (in your opinion) that only Christians are permitted to post here?

    I have reviewed the posting rules and can find nothing that would support your position (if I've stated your position correctly - if not, please clarify your position).

    Reddies for Biblically incorrect posts (in your opinion) seem to be against the site principles as I understand them.

    If a moderator is monitoring this, I would appreciate a clear explanation as to whether this is restricted to Christians. Thank you.
  • Apr 25, 2009, 11:59 AM
    lighterrr
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by classyT View Post
    WG...

    I believe all christians( the good, bad and ugly) will be saved and enjoy heaven. I base my beliefs on the BIBLE. I don't make God small...I also don't ADD to his Word to fix the things that i do not understand.
    This is what I don't understand are you saying because you are a christian and ONLY because you are a christian you will enjoy the afterlife/heaven?
  • Apr 25, 2009, 01:09 PM
    450donn
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by lighterrr View Post
    this is what i dont understand are you saying because you are a christian and ONLY because you are a christian you will enjoy the afterlife/heaven?
    Well, yes in a manner of speaking. You have made it quite clear in more than one of your posts that you think Jesus was a good man and Not the son of God. You have made quite clear that your belief is that the Bible is a nice book, but that you do not want to take the time to understand it's teachings. You have made it quite clear that your beliefs are than man can do it on his own without God. So since you do not believe in God/Jesus/ Holy spirit as the trinity from our book, the Bible that you will likely not make it to heaven. I am not making a judgment here, Rather you have set yourself up for judgment because of your unbelief. This is a whole package deal. You want the rewards, you have to accept the whole enchilada to get it.
  • Apr 25, 2009, 01:25 PM
    Athos
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by 450donn View Post
    I am not making a judgment here, Rather you have set yourself up for judgment because of your unbelief.
    You are NOT making a judgment here? You certainly are. Your judgment is based on this individual not believing the same way you do. It couldn't be more clear. When you judge his "unbelief", it is YOU judging. You can quote the Bible all you want, but remember, bible-quoting is a two-way street.
  • Apr 25, 2009, 01:43 PM
    cozyk
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    I believe He was more than just a good man. I believe His life and death made me right with God again. I believe we limit God and make Him too small when we say only "good Christians" will enjoy the afterlife.
    This is where we differ. I believe that being right with God is up to me, not Jesus. He did not have to die on the cross for me to get right with God. PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, is something I believe in across the board. To just say that you believe Christ is your Savior doesn't cut it. You have to find your own individual path to Him.
  • Apr 25, 2009, 01:50 PM
    Leviston
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by 450donn View Post
    Well, yes in a manner of speaking. You have made it quite clear in more than one of your posts that you think Jesus was a good man and Not the son of God. You have made quite clear that your belief is that the Bible is a nice book, but that you do not want to take the time to understand it's teachings. You have made it quite clear that your beliefs are than man can do it on his own without God. So since you do not believe in God/Jesus/ Holy spirit as the trinity from our book, the Bible that you will likely not make it to heaven. I am not making a judgment here, Rather you have set yourself up for judgment because of your unbelief. This is a whole package deal. You want the rewards, you have to accept the whole enchilada to get it.
    And you will make it to heaven, with your attitude I will be surprised if you end up anywhere
  • Apr 25, 2009, 01:52 PM
    galveston

    Eph 2:8-9
    8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
    9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
    (KJV)

    If Christians are not allowed to post Bible in support of what we believe, then to what shall we appeal, to our own wisdom?


    Prov 14:12
    12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
    (KJV)

    Repeated here, 2 chapters later.

    Prov 16:25
    25 There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
    (KJV)


    Isa 8:19-20
    19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? For the living to the dead?
    20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
    (KJV)

    As you can see, the practice of seeking guidance from anywhere other than God is prohibited by the Bible. I could give more references, but these should be enough.

    As believer in Jesus Christ I am obligated to this.
  • Apr 25, 2009, 02:53 PM
    cozyk
    Quote:
    You have made quite clear that your belief is that the Bible is a nice book, ar that your beliefs are than man can do it on his own without God.
    She never said without God, she said without believing that Jesus was "our savior".

    Quote:
    So but that you do not want to take the time to understand it's teachings.
    She never said this either. This is just you being a condescending christian.

    Quote:
    You have made it quite clesince you do not believe in God/Jesus/ Holy spirit as the trinity from our book, the Bible that you will likely not make it to heaven.
    Don't know where you got this:confused:


    Quote:
    I am not making a judgment here,
    You are making the judgment that your path to God is the only path just because you read it in a book. FYI, there are many different books, all of which profess to be THE book.


    Quote:
    Rather you have set yourself up for judgment because of your unbelief. This is a whole package deal. You want the rewards, you have to accept the whole enchilada to get it.
    [/QUOTE]
    Says you and your book.:rolleyes:
  • Apr 25, 2009, 02:57 PM
    classyT
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Athos View Post
    ClassyT - Please clarify what you're saying here.

    I understand this board to be on the topic Christianity. I further understand that anyone can post on the topic - regardless of their beliefs.

    You seem to be saying the board is based on faith and the only authority is the Bible (for this Board). Does that mean (in your opinion) that only Christians are permitted to post here?

    I have reviewed the posting rules and can find nothing that would support your position (if I've stated your position correctly - if not, please clarify your position).

    Reddies for Biblically incorrect posts (in your opinion) seem to be against the site principles as I understand them.

    If a moderator is monitoring this, I would appreciate a clear explanation as to whether this is restricted to Christians. Thank you.

    No.. I am NOT saying you can't post here. You can disagree with anything anyone puts up but if it isn't wrong according to the Bible.. which is where Christianity all comes from anyway.. I think it is rude to give negative reputation. Look, I am not making some big deal out of it. And I am voicing my opinion. I WANT other faiths to post here.. I just don't think you should give reddies when the person says something that you don't LIKE. Back it up with something from the Bible if you think it is wrong. I think that is fair. I'm not the amhd police and I wouldn't have nor have I ever reported anyone.
  • Apr 25, 2009, 03:02 PM
    classyT
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by lighterrr View Post
    this is what i dont understand are you saying because you are a christian and ONLY because you are a christian you will enjoy the afterlife/heaven?
    Ligterrr...

    NO. I didn't say it.. I'm saying that is what the Bible says. I'm not judging one single person and I would tell NO ONE they weren't going to heaven. The ONLY thing that I can do is point someone in the right direction according to the Bible.
  • Apr 25, 2009, 03:11 PM
    cozyk
    Quote:
    If Christians are not allowed to post Bible in support of what we believe, then to what shall we appeal, to our own wisdom?
    You can post supporting scripture all you want, but you must realize that much of it is in vain because many do not take the bible to be the final word of God.


    Quote:
    Prov 14:12
    12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
    (KJV)

    Repeated here, 2 chapters later.

    Prov 16:25
    25 There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
    (KJV)

    The scripture quoted above is "scare tactics". My God does not sink to that level.

    Quote:
    As you can see, the practice of seeking guidance from anywhere other than God is prohibited by the Bible. I could give more references, but these should be enough.
    I do seek guidance from God, directly from God. It IS possible to do this and by-pass the scripture.

    Quote:
    As believer in Jesus Christ I am obligated to this.
    [/QUOTE]That is certainly your prerogative.
  • Apr 25, 2009, 03:11 PM
    lighterrr
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by classyT View Post
    Ligterrr...

    NO. I didn't say it.. I'm saying that is what the Bible says. I'm not judging one single person and I would tell NO ONE they weren't going to heaven. The ONLY thing that I can do is point someone in the right direction according to the Bible.
    classy thank you for being open minded, you know I was a "christian" @ some point and I had to denounce that faith, because it got me NOWHERE in my walk with God. Look classy this is the bottom line we all have God in us and its not jesus that introduces us to God we got to do it on our own. I believe its through the mimicking of Jesus actions that we can get to see the way, the truth and the light. But its not jesus the man that's the gatekeeper to God.

    Look @ it this way for example, you go to university learn all the theory of a profession. Then you have a community placement where you apply what is learnt so the praxis.


    To me and this is only my opinion:

    Jesus = theory
    praxis= us putting what he taught into action

    Our only saviour is us and our actions and commitment to get closer to the light of God, on our own, buy using the tools that jesus taught:).
  • Apr 25, 2009, 04:06 PM
    classyT
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by lighterrr View Post
    classy thank you for being open minded, you know i was a "christian" @ some point and I had to denounce that faith, because it got me NOWHERE in my walk with God. Look classy this is the bottom line we all have God in us and its not jesus that introduces us to God we got to do it on our own. I believe its through the mimicking of Jesus actions that we can get to see the way, the truth and the light. But its not jesus the man thats the gatekeeper to God.

    Look @ it this way for example, you go to university learn all the theory of a profession. then you have a community placement where you apply what is learnt so the praxis.


    To me and this is only my opinion:

    Jesus = theory
    praxis= us putting what he taught into action

    Our only saviour is us and our actions and commitment to get closer to the light of God, on our own, buy using the tools that jesus taught:).
    Light,

    I know you think that Jesus isn't the only savior. Man, all I know for sure is if I am my only savior I'm in such big doo doo because I KNOW me. I don't know you seem young, I'm guessing 20's. I'm not... I'm 47. I have lots of life experience. I have done so many things in my life that shocked the daylights out of me... WHAT? Me classy do THAT? YEP and THEN some. The bible says that God is HOLY and I he can't stand for sin and know that I know I am sinful. I DO need a savior and I can't save me.
  • Apr 25, 2009, 04:08 PM
    sndbay

    Lighterr, On post 105 you have quoted me from post 101. However you have confusingly put your reply in orange as quoted by me..

    The following is how it should appear, and I would like to go forward in discussion, if you would care to answer.


    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sndbay View Post
    You mention it was your religion that does not permit Christ as your Saviour.
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by lighterrr View Post
    I dont belong to ANY RELIGION, i have a spiritual beleif that I adhear to you their is a big difference between SPRITUALITY AND RELIGION
    Discussion continued: The belief of Kabbalah in what I have knowledge in understand, is an example of spiritual divine simplicity. The belief is a following by people who choose to believe of God as being without parts.
    So I do realize the following of belief you have chosen.


    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sndbay View Post
    I view religion as being taken in many different directions, and directed by man.
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by lighterrr View Post
    I agree and thats where the problem because all man including the pope himself fall short of the glory of God.
    Continued discusssion:This tends to discernment in what you feel the Catholic Christian does in the glory of God. And I believe we have a right to discern between right and wrong. Many people follow their own belief, and many different Christain following are out there for choice.

    The Bible as in scripture is a more direct path in what I follow.. as a child of God answering the calling of God, to follow the Father's will in confession of Christ as the begotten Son of God.


    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sndbay View Post
    Now again I ask .. and have not yet seen that you answered the question of who the plural images were or the indentity in likeness to both? Who was God talk with in Genesis 1:26? Who was the likeness of both indentities?
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by lighterrr View Post
    I dont understand what you are asking? Try breaking it down some more please.
    Broken down, I felt the Bible was included in your belief, and the first book of scripture I had referanced because you spoke of man created in the image of God.

    So Genesis 1:26 speaks of the plural image of "Let Us" and "Our " in plural likeness of who man is created.

    Clearly I feel this plural image that God is speaking to is Christ, and the plural likeness of both is the Holy Spirit.

    Who do you feel us is? And the our likeness is?

    Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
  • Apr 25, 2009, 06:02 PM
    lighterrr
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by classyT View Post
    Light,

    I know you think that Jesus isn't the only savior. Man, all i know for sure is if I am my only savior i'm in such big doo doo because i KNOW me. I don't know you seem young, im guessing 20's. I'm not...i'm 47. I have lots of life experience. I have done so many things in my life that shocked the daylights out of me.....WHAT? me classy do THAT? YEP and THEN some. The bible says that God is HOLY and i he can't stand for sin and know that I know i am sinful. I DO need a savior and I can't save me.
    Cassy I am actually 30 and have not been through as much as you, but what I have is a spiritual knowledge that keeps me going:)

    Fyi: I also remember a story in the new testament where jesus was only 12 years old and he was teaching and preaching to people.


    Hmmm I don't think age has anything to do with enlightenment and spiritual growth.

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