Ask Me Help Desk - Who do you think will go to hell, or do you even believe in hell?

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

You mean to say looks count? M definitely has a chance then!

If looks count, I'm in big trouble! :eek:

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Originally Posted by dwashbur

If looks count, I'm in big trouble! :eek:

Another criterion is smarts. And one can get extra points for having an even-tempered, all-suffering spouse. Certainly you fit one of those.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Actually, no. Some say the grave is the last stop for everyone. Some say there is no hell at all.

And some don't condemn other religions at all.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Another criterion is smarts. And one can get extra points for having an even-tempered, all-suffering spouse. Certainly you fit one of those.

Well, darn it. Looks. Smarts. Spouse. Religion. No matter how you look at it, I'm going to hell. Better start packing shorts and tank tops.

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Originally Posted by hheath541

well, darn it. looks. smarts. spouse. religion. no matter how you look at it, i'm going to hell. better start packing shorts and tank tops.

Cat rescue is another criterion.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Cat rescue is another criterion.

For getting to heaven or hell??

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Originally Posted by dwashbur

For getting to heaven or hell?????

Of course, for getting to heaven. Hheath has rescued seven cats (a pregnant mom cat who presented her with six kittens). No greater love... (Would you like to adopt a kitten or two, Dave? Their photos are on the Cats board under an Edith thread.)

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Hope12 disagrees : The grave is not the last stop! There will be a ressurection, those who do good, to everlasting life here on earth. Ps 37: 10 -11. Those weho did bad, everlasating death.
Aurora_Bell agrees : lol balancer, Hheath wasn't even the one who said it!!

wow, I think that's the least deserved reddie I've ever gotten. Never been yelled at for something I never said, before. At least not on here.

thanks for the balancer, bella. I think this is going to be my favorite reddie ever ^_^

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Originally Posted by Hope12 disagrees

The grave is not the last stop!

Hope, no one in this thread said that. I went back to read all the responses.

NP, it was a well deserved balancer! ;)

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Of course, for getting to heaven. Hheath has rescued seven cats (a pregnant mom cat who presented her with six kittens). No greater love.... (Would you like to adopt a kitten or two, Dave? Their photos are on the Cats board under an Edith thread.)

Too many cats already, and my daughter the veterinary tech student is bringing 4 more home for the night. And I'm partial to dogs, thank you very much ;)

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Originally Posted by classyT

I was in church yesterday and the pastor preached on hell. He stated that 13% of what Jesus Christ is recorded as saying in the Gospels were concerning hell.

That sounds like a substantial amount.

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He also thinks that it is politically incorrect to talk about it in our culture.

Perhaps. I am not PC.

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Many preachers don't want to address the topic because people feel offended or don't like to hear about something so hopeless.

I've never seen a survey on the matter.

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So, what do you think?

I think it is an important topic:
Ezekiel 3:20-22 (King James Version)

20Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumbling-block before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

21Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.

22And the hand of the LORD was there upon me; and he said unto me, Arise, go forth into the plain, and I will there talk with thee.

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Do you think it is a real place?

I think it is a real state of being.

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Do you think some people are headed there when they die?

Yes.

Matthew 7: (King James Version)

13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

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Do you have to be a BAD person to wind up there?

Yes. You have to reject God. And that is bad.

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Who do you think will go to hell?

Those who reject God and refuse to do His Will:
Matt 7
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? And in thy name have cast out devils? And in thy name done many wonderful works?

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

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Originally Posted by De Maria

I think it is an important topic:
Ezekiel 3:20-22 (King James Version)

20Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumbling-block before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

Maybe sounds like a Christian can lose his salvation.

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Originally Posted by Jesushelper1976

I did not read any of the other answers but here goes.

Who do I think will go to hell? Can not say, it is not my place or my judgment to make.

Now the definitions of hell has different meanings for different people.

Even the word hell itself the meaning has changed over many years.

The original prayer that I used to pray in church. The part that said Jesus died, descended into the dead and rose in three days. That is today's version. Years ago it was worded Jesus descended into hell and rose in three days. Hell could be merely meaning death, or the grave...

As well. Hell another definition is that people create there own hell and there own separation from God. After there death. they recreate and relive their worst nightmare.

There is books that are included in the Catholic version of the bible that are not excepted by all denominations which talk about the seven days after death for the righteous and seven days of the evil and what they see and the steps they take. It is pretty cool to read and makes sense.

Joe,

See? Told you I'd get back to you. :)

I believe everything in the bible. I don't WANT hell to be a real place and I REALLY don't want anyone I know or don't know to go there. But it isn't about what I want...

Jesus made it pretty clear it is a literal place. It isn't a state of mind, it isn't just for a few days or until someone comes to their senses and repents. It isn't the judgement of God that makes a man repent anyway... if you read in revelation it states that men will be covered in boils, are stung with something that looks like a locust and the pain lasts months. They are going to beg to die and NOT be able to... but it states instead of repenting they blasphemed God.

I, like you, will not stand in judgement of anyone as far as saying if they are going to hell. Having said THAT, Jesus Christ is either exactly who he said he was or he was a liar, there just is no in between. He said HE was the ONLY way to the Father... not A way. He spoke of hell, he spoke of the torment, weeping, outer darkness,misery.. ect. And he never said anyone EVER got a second chance after they died. In fact, he taught the opposite of that thought. Take a look at the story of the rich man and the beggar that the Lord himself told.

So while it may make sense to reason and rationalize that hell couldn't possilbly be for all eternity... that is what the Bible says and I believe it. I don't LIKE it. But I believe it.

Incidentally, if I wasn't a Christian, I wouldn't even believe that Jesus was a good man or a prophet. I wouldn't. He made some pretty bold claims about himself, he told some radical stories, he made a lot of people uncomfortable. The Lord Jesus Christ himself is the one who stated he was THE way and therefore he wasn't very "tolerant" of other faiths either. So, If I didn't believe he IS God, HE IS the way, I'd want nothing to do with him or his teachings.

I've heard it said Jesus was either a liar, lunitic, or Lord. As for ME, HE is LORD... and I believe what he taught concerning hell. It is a real place of eternal torment and he warned us about it. He also provided a way OUT.

Now can you reply to me about the descriptions of hell and heaven according to Esdras visions??

Which I think line up completely to what the bible has taught all along.

It is part of my bible. Please check it out.

Joe,

Geesh. Did I mess up again? I THOUGHT you posted more.But I didn't find it. I will go back and read it. I have to go to a baseball gamej( my son is pitching) so I will check it out tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by Hope12

The Hellfire doctorine is an ancient Babylonian and Assyrian belief carried down through generations by false teachings of many reliogions to control their members.

Fire is only one of the descriptions; we also see darkness, chains, weeping, I forget what else at the moment. As so often happens in the Bible, we're trying to describe the indescribable. The single most important factor about hell is the absence of God. The various descriptions also suggest that the person there will be totally alone, so Mark Twain's comment that he would prefer "heaven for climate, hell for company" is a really bad idea.

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Originally Posted by classyT

Joe,

Geesh. Did I mess up again? I THOUGHT you posted more.But I didn't find it. I will go back and read it. I have to go to a baseball gamej( my son is pitching) so i will check it out tomorrow.

Let me see if this works:

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/christ...ml#post2359408

Dave

Are you trying to pinpoint a particular post??

If so just click on the Post number , then copy and paste the URL.

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Originally Posted by friend4u178

Dave

Are you trying to pinpoint a particular post???

If so just click on the Post number , then copy and paste the URL.

That's what I did, and from what I can see it worked. I figured since I had a little extra time I'd do some leg work for ClassyT.

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Originally Posted by dwashbur

That's what I did, and from what I can see it worked. I figured since I had a little extra time I'd do some leg work for ClassyT.

No problem , that link takes me to the TOP of page 2. Wasn't sure if you wanted a particular post on that page.

All good , carry on :)

Okay I will do the work.

Here It is again:

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Originally Posted by Jesushelper1976

Second Esdras 7. 75 - 101

State of the Dead before Judgment.

I answered and said, "If I found favor in your sight, o lord, Show this also to your servant: whether after death, as soon as one of us yields up the soul, we shall be kept in rest until those times come when you will renew the creation, or whether we shall be tormented at once?

He answered me and said, "I will show you that also, but do not include yourself with those who have shown scorn, or number yourself among those who are tormented. For you have a treasure of works stored up with the Most High, but it will not be shown to you until the last times. Now concerning death, the teaching is: When the decisive decree has gone out from the Most High that a person shall die, as the spirit leaves the body to return again to him who gave it, first of all it adores the glory of the Most High. If it is one of those who have shown scorn and have not kept the way of the Most High, Who have despised his law and hated those who fear God - such spirits shall not enter into habitations, but shall immediately wander about in torments, always grieving and sad, in seven ways.

The first way, because they have scorned the law of the Most High. The second way, because they cannot now make a good repentance so that they may live. The third way, they shall see the reward laid up for those who have trusted the covenants of the Most High. The fourth way, they shall consider the torment laid up for themselves in the last days. The firth way, they shall see how the habitations the others of the others are guarded by angels in profound quiet. The sixth way, they shall see how some of them will cross over into torments. The seventh way, which is worse then all the ways that have been mentioned, because they shall utterly waste away in confusion and be consumed with shame, and shall wither with fear at seeing the glory of the most High in whose presence they sinned while they were alive, and in whose presence they are to be judged in the last times.

Now this is the order of those who have kept the ways of the Most High, when they shall be separated from their mortal body. During the time that they lived in it, they laboriously served the Most High, and withstood danger every hour so that they might keep the law of the lawgiver perfectly. Therefore this is the teaching concerning them. First of all, they shall see with great joy the glory of him who receives them, for they shall have rest in seven orders. The first order, because they have striven with great effort to over come the evil thought that was formed with them, so that it might not lead them astray from life into death. The second order, because they see the perplexity in which the souls of the ungodly wander and the punishment that was them. The third order they see the witness that he who formed them bears concerning them, that through out their life they kept the law with which they were entrusted. The fourth order, they understood the rest that they now enjoy, being gathered into their chambers and guarded by angels in profound quiet, and the glory waiting for them in the last days. The fifth order, they rejoice that they have now escaped whats corruptible and shall inherit what is to come and besides they see the straits and toil from which they have been delivered, and the spacious liberty that they are to receive and enjoy in immortality. The sixth order, when it is shown them how thier face is to shine like the sun, and how they are to be made like the light of the stars, being incorruptible from then on. The seventh order, which is greater then all that have been mentioned, because they shall rejoice with boldness, and shall be confident without confusion and shall be glad without fear, for they press forward to see the face of him whom they served in life and from whom they are to receive their reward when glorified.

This is the order of the souls of the righteous, as henceforth is announced; and the previously mentioned are the ways of the torment that those who would not give heed shall suffer hereafter.

Then I answered and said, "Will time therefore be given to the souls, after they have been separated from the bodies, to see what you have described to me?'

He said to me, 'They shall have freedom for seven days, so that during these seven days they may see the things of which you have been told, and afterward they shall be gathered in their habitations.'

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Originally Posted by friend4u178

No problem , that link takes me to the TOP of page 2. Wasn't sure if you wanted a particular post on that page.

All good , carry on :)

Curiouser and curiouser, because it took me to the specific post I was trying to link to. As a quasi-French hippie might say, je ne diggue pas.

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Originally Posted by Jesushelper1976

Here It is again:

That is the frist time I have read that. You say this is an actual book in your bible? Is your bible a Catholic bible? Who is the Lord suppose to be talking to?

I don't see how it is consistent with what the Lord Jesus taught and what revelation has to say concerning hell.

Are you saying you believe from this book that people get a second chance after 7 days. I'm slow Joe... help me out.

The NT.. says to be absent from the Bible is to be present with the Lord. If you are a Christian. I don't understand this 7 day thing... at all.

I think you need to re read it.

Joe,

Please help explain to me what this part means:

Then I answered and said, "Will time therefore be given to the souls, after they have been separated from the bodies, to see what you have described to me?'

He said to me, 'They shall have freedom for seven days, so that during these seven days they may see the things of which you have been told, and afterward they shall be gathered in their habitations.'

Joe... I'm not really that familiar with the Catholic Bible... Please explain that post to me so I can understand what it means... I mean explain it from your perspective if you would... Thanks Joe... Kit

Who said anything about a Catholic bible??

When I have more time, I will come back.

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Originally Posted by Jesushelper1976

Who said anything about a Catholic bible???

When I have more time, I will come back.

Thanks Joe... I thought it was from the Catholic Bible.. Sorry... :)

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Originally Posted by Kitkat22

Thanks Joe....I thought it was from the Catholic Bible..Sorry.....:)

I Esdras is Ezra plus four additional chapters. 2 Esdras is in the (according to Protestants) Apocrypha. Neither is in the canon of 66 books. Check Wikipedia for the history and description of each.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

I Esdras is Ezra plus four additional chapters. 2 Esdras is in the (according to Protestants) Apocrypha. Neither is in the canon of 66 books. Check Wikipedia for the history and description of each.

Thanks WG... It's interesting to know these things.:)

2 Esdras - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Originally Posted by Jesushelper1976

2 Esdras - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yup, like I had said --

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Check Wikipedia for the history and description of each.

"Usage

The book is considered one of the gems of Jewish apocalyptic literature. While it was not received into European Christian canons, the Jewish Apocalypse of Ezra, i.e. 2 Esdras 3-14, is regarded as Scripture in the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, and it was also widely cited by early Fathers of the Church, particularly Ambrose of Milan."

Thanks WG and Joe...

I will also add a lot more to information later, as when I have time. There is lots of info to give.

Anyway Chow for now. Hope you guys research and read yourself and take something from it anyway.

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Originally Posted by Jesushelper1976

I will also add a lot more to information later, as when I have time. There is lots of info to give.

Anyway Chow for now. Hope you guys research and read yourself and take something from it anyway.

Thanks Joe... :)