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Originally Posted by waltero

It's very important that we learn to read our thoughts as a result of knowing our Bibles, not learning from our Bibles as a result of what we have found in the world.

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I have no idea what this means.

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Originally Posted by waltero

Might I suggest; try and read the Bible as you would any other story...maybe even as a child [trying] to read a children's storybook.

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Yes! That's why the allegory idea works so well as we read stories in the Bible.

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Where is that mountain Jesus and Satan were on to see all over the Earth?

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You don't think Satan is capable of projecting an image of the whole world? It says he "showed" him these things, it doesn't say they could see them all from where they were standing. I can look at anywhere on the planet with a few motions of my fingers. Do we really suppose a supernatural being like Satan can't do the same?

Good observation.

"The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world."

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I have no idea what this means

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I have re-iterated. I know I should not edit while posting. I was doing it all the while not knowing there was any response...as you can look at the post again and see no indication of it being edited.

The two of you have gone through all this before...many, many times before.

Might I suggest; try and read the Bible as you would any other story...maybe even as a child [trying] to read a children's storybook.

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Yes. That's why the allegory idea works so well as we read stories in the Bible.

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It's very important that we learn to read our thoughts as a result of knowing our Bibles, not learning from our Bibles as a result of what we have read in our thoughts...(@WG)by "your idea" of thinking, you seem to be falling right into it...and you still don't understand?

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maybe even as a child [trying] to read a children's storybook.

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To have child-like faith can be a good thing, but we should never have child-like understanding.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

To have child-like faith can be a good thing, but we should never have child-like understanding.

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What understanding should we, of various temperaments and personalities and mental handicaps and illnesses, have?

Adult understanding. Well informed understanding. Unprejudiced understanding. Truthful understanding.

"When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things."

Terrific response!

And we get that adult understanding how?

You can start here.

1. Put away childish thinking.
2. Make truth your goal.
3. Evidence must come first, and conclusions afterward.
4. "Study to show yourself approved."

Who can you trust to be a good Christian guide(s) in your life? How do you decide?

I trust the Bible enlightened by the Holy Spirit. I don't "trust" any person completely. We are all subject to some degree of error. As to who I listen to, I look for people who are faithful to the Bible and who consistently desire to elevate the name of Jesus and make him glorious.

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try and read the Bible as you would any other book
To have child-like faith can be a good thing, but we should never have child-like understanding.

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Allow me to put it another way; Maybe try reading the Bible [as a Child of God] would read any other book...having a child of God-like understanding. Putting off (the exact opposite); making truth your goal, and seeking evidence to come forth, using that to make conclusions afterward, using it as a Study guide to show thyself approved unto God.

As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word.

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Maybe try reading the Bible [as a Child of God] would read any other book

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I'm not sure what you mean with this. The Bible is not like "any other book". I have read the Bible, and especially the NT, many, many times. My Bible is highlighted in many places, and I have put hundreds of personal notes in it. I pray before I read it. All other books are subject to the truth of the Bible. So I can't read the Bible like "any other book", can I? Help me understand your meaning.

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Originally Posted by waltero

making truth your goal, and seeking evidence to come forth, using that to make conclusions afterward, using it as a Study guide to show thyself approved unto God.

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My truth may not be your truth or my pastor's truth. Seeking evidence for what? Evidence to prove MY truth? And I AM approved by God!

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My truth may not be your truth or my pastor's truth.

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That is true of opinions. It is, by definition, certainly not true of truth.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

That is true of opinions. It is, by definition, certainly not true of truth.

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As Pilate once said, "What is Truth?"

So you are siding with Pilate rather than Jesus who said HE was the truth.

It's just an unbelievably poor argument to suggest that there are many truths. I was surprised to see you go down that road. It is too, too easy to refute.

Please see below.

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In logic, the law of non-contradiction (LNC) (also known as the law of contradiction, principle of non-contradiction (PNC), or the principle of contradiction) states that contradictory propositions cannot both be true in the same sense at the same time, e. g. the two propositions "p is the case" and "p is not the case" are mutually exclusive.

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Perhaps you can give us an example of a situation where there are contradictory/nonagreeing propositions that are all true?

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Perhaps you can give us an example of a situation where there are contradictory/nonagreeing propositions that are all true?

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Your idea of Hell and my idea of Hell. Your idea of Heaven and my idea of Heaven.

Nope. Both of our ideas cannot be true. So either one or both of us is wrong, and one or neither of us is correct. In other words, either hell is an eternal place of fiery horror or it's not. You are referring to opinions.

Surely you are smarter than what you are presently displaying. This is grade school stuff.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Nope. Both of our ideas cannot be true.

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Then, since you're the male person, you must be correct and are speaking truth.