Ask Me Help Desk - Perhaps sex before marriage isn't the issue?

classyT,
You have made some very excellent points.
AND as other posts have shown even the evidence will not change their made up minds just like those who walked away unbelieving when Jesus performed His miracles.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

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Originally Posted by arcura

classyT,
You have made some very excellent points.
AND as other posts have shown even the evidence will not change their made up minds just like those who walked away unbelieving when Jesus performed His miracles.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

I would believe Fred, if there was evidence.

I simply can't believe that there is a God that cares.

Your bible teaches that God loves all his children. Well, what about Just Looking, a member on our site. She's a wonderful person, never harmed anyone but two nights ago, her ex-boyfriend decided that he'd make every waking moment of her life a living hell. He beat her, stabbed her, left her for dead. She survived, but not because of God, because of her cell phone and her strength.

If we are in fact God's children then, if he has the power to stop our pain, why doesn't he?

I'm tired of hearing that God has great plans for us, that the pain is necessary so we can have eternal life in the kingdom of God. If that's true then there is a hell, we're living in it now.

No, I can't believe. Did God create the world? I believe he did, but after that he walked away. We're his little ant farm, he created our habitat then left us to fend for ourselves. That's what I believe.

The bible, good book, great stories, very inspirational, the men that wrote it had great imaginations, and yes, there are lessons to be learned. To take it literally, adhere to every rule and regulation, that's just not possible. If every word in the bible is to be followed then God set everyone up for failure. There's no way that anyone could be good enough to live up to His standards.

That's just the way I feel.

Altenweg,
I believe that God does love us all His way, unconditionally.
But His way is a way that also includes the attribute of divine, perfect justice.
That's God's justice not mankind's.
The many prophesies in the bible that are still coming true in this day and ages are evidence that many still seem to ignore.
I think that if there were many more evidences they would also be ingnore by those whose mind is made up just as those in Jesus day did.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

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I think that if there were many more evidences they would also be ingnore by those whose mind is made up just as those in Jesus day did.

You are right in some ways, but not all.

If there was indisputable proof of a caring loving God, I would believe. I have a searching, questioning mind, if such proof was shown, I'd have to rethink my beliefs.

I didn't come to my beliefs without a lot of research, soul searching and common sense. That doesn't mean that I'm stuck on my belief and not willing to accept others as a possibility.

The reason I believe what I believe is because of the lack of proof to believe something else.

Trust me Fred, I'm not a close minded person, even though I am German. ;)

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Originally Posted by Altenweg

If there was indisputable proof of a caring loving God, I would believe. I have a searching, questioning mind, if such proof was shown, I'd have to rethink my beliefs.

Altenweg,

I am alittle baffle by your statement of proof wanted. From what I have studied the religion of Deism was of the Gentiles. There were five common notions known.

1. There is one Supreme God.
2. He ought to be worshipped.
3. Virtue and piety are the chief parts of divine worship.
4. We ought to be sorry for our sins and repent of them
5. Divine goodness doth dispense rewards and punishments both in this life and after it.

What changed that idea was a theory of knowledge based on experience. John Locke who was not deist, turned the theory to natural theology and to arguments based on experience and nature.

Matthew Tinal argued against special revelation "God designed all mankind that should at all times know, what God wills them to know, believe, profess, and practice; and has given them no other means for this, but the Use of Reason. This was termed the Deist bible based on experience or human reason.

A modern definition today is the recognition of a universal creative force greater than that demonstrated by mankind, supported by personal observation of laws and designs in nature and the universe, perpetuated and validated by the innate ability of human reason coupled with the rejection of claims made by individuals and organized religions of having received special divine revelation.

Each of these even the newer interpretation have a foundation of knowing a greater force then man. Example meets that of proof in a God.

So is it that you believe there is a God, but don't believe He is a caring God? What is the reasoning behind your thoughts?

Off thread..

It is off thread.

I'll start another to answer your question so we don't hijack this one. :)

I'll post the link when I'm done.

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Originally Posted by Altenweg

You are right in some ways, but not all.

If there was indisputable proof of a caring loving God, I would believe. I have a searching, questioning mind, if such proof was shown, I'd have to rethink my beliefs.

I didn't come to my beliefs without a lot of research, soul searching and common sense. That doesn't mean that I'm stuck on my belief and not willing to accept others as a possibility.

The reason I believe what I believe is because of the lack of proof to believe something else.

Trust me Fred, I'm not a close minded person, even though I am German. ;)

Hay kid a Shultz here ! I thought Germans were excellent cooks with immaculate house's who liked to tip a few :cool:

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Originally Posted by artlady

Hay kid a Shultz here ! I thought Germans were excellent cooks with immaculate house's who liked to tip a few :cool:

I can cook, but I hate it. My house, right now, is a mess, I give up, they win. ;) Tipping a few, well, cheers! :)

I agree with you, the bible doesn't come out and say don't have sex before marriage but I believe that it is a sin. When it talks about marriage all together, the bible says virgin someitmes instead of women or man. Its in a passage about marriage, I think one of the corinthians

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Originally Posted by dauda11

i agree with you, the bible doesnt come out and say dont have sex before marriage but i believe that it is a sin. when it talks about marriage all together, the bible says virgin someitmes instead of women or man. its in a passage about marriage, i think one of the corinthians

If you read post #32 and #33 you will see that the Bible actually does say not to have sex before marriage. The definition of fornication is sex between two unmarried people.

Matthew 15:19
For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:

The above is from the King James Bible. As you can see, it groups fornication with adultery and other sinful acts.

I know that there are some translations of the Bible that use "sexual immorality" in place of "fornication" but this doesn't change the fact that fornication is part of "sexual immorality".

As I stated in post #33, the use of "sexual immorality" in some translations is a poor choice as many people choose to define "sexual immorality" according to their own interpretation in order to justify their own desires, rather than the original intent of the word.