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Originally Posted by cozyk

I don't see how this scripture answers the question. In your own words please.:confused:

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The question I reference was:

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Originally Posted by Triund

How do we know that someone has a closed mind and how is it that the person who is telling other, does not has a closed mind himself ?

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In my own words I said quote: Scripture says Christ gives each person according to the measure of HIS will and love.

(so HIS = Christ who reveals what He wants to each person He wants)


Continue my words: So what is revealed to one may not be revealed to another.

(not everyone will come to the same answer because He makes the decision by HIS knowledge in what their heart and mind can hold, And what they can handle, and what they are willing to handle) He knows each of well.

Continue my words: Each are to serve according to what they hear in Christ = RIGHTEOUSNESS ...

( what Christ has given them of righteousness to handle they then serve as a good servant of God, handing it out to others.)

Continue my words:And we are to watch carefully to the end of every word.

(we that hear their message must listen to every word to compare it with what Christ has written or revealed to us)

Continue my words: This makes it pretty individual as chosen by God.

( because Christ has the power in every way to make the difference in how we live on an individual basis. Whether we reap mercy or a lesson in obedience)


Continue my word:The vine is Christ and the only way is Christ. HIS sheep hear HIS voice. Christ walked by every letter of HIS Father's will. And we NOW walk as HE walked and in HIM. . .

(`Christ is the answer to our questionsin faith, and the example to follow)

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Originally Posted by sndbay

The question I reference was:
In my own words I said quote: Scripture says Christ gives each person according to the measure of HIS will and love.

(so HIS = Christ who reveals what He wants to each person He wants)


Continue my words: So what is revealed to one may not be revealed to another.

(not everyone will come to the same answer because He makes the decision by HIS knowledge in what their heart and mind can hold, And what they can handle, and what they are willing to handle) He knows each of well.

Continue my words: Each are to serve according to what they hear in Christ = RIGHTEOUSNESS ...

( what Christ has given them of righteousness to handle they then serve as a good servant of God, handing it out to others.)

Continue my words:And we are to watch carefully to the end of every word.

(we that hear their message must listen to every word to compare it with what Christ has written or revealed to us)

Continue my words: This makes it pretty individual as chosen by God.

( because Christ has the power in every way to make the difference in how we live on an individual basis. Whether we reap mercy or a lesson in obedience)


Continue my word:The vine is Christ and the only way is Christ. HIS sheep hear HIS voice. Christ walked by every letter of HIS Father's will. And we NOW walk as HE walked and in HIM. . .

(`Christ is the answer to our questionsin faith, and the example to follow)

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I agree with you on most of the things that you said. Where the problem comes in for me is that christ is the only way to the creator. I believe there is only one true God, he is the almoghty God. Jesus christ came to this earth to teach and show us how we should live. How we should treat our fellow man. I don't think he is God, or the son of God as the bible has it. He's not my saviour, I am my own saviour and God lives within everyone as we have been created in his image.
I believe Human beings can readily access God's light without going through jesus as the church wants you to believe. Look I love jesus, but I simply see him as a great prophet and the greatest human example of spiritual enlightenment.

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Originally Posted by lighterrr

God lives within everyone as we have been created in his image.

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So in some manner of speaking you believe the HOLY SPIRIT is God within you? (or) define image of God?

And the reason I would like to understand is why you have not made the plural relationship in what is written?

The image of God to me is the spirit of life. And the scripture reference in Genesis 1:26 reads God to say, let us (plural) create man in our (plural) image and after our (plural) likeness.
I find the plural reference to show both God the Father, and Christ who were both Spirit in completeness.

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

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Originally Posted by sndbay

So in some manner of speaking you believe the HOLY SPIRIT is God within you? (or) define image of God?

And the reason I would like to understand is why you have not made the plural relationship in what is written?

The image of God to me is the spirit of life. And the scripture reference in Genesis 1:26 reads God to say, let us (plural) create man in our (plural) image and after our (plural) likeness.
I find the plural reference to show both God the Father, and Christ who were both Spirit in completeness.

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

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Well I believe in God the father, and yes I believe he lives in all of us. Now do I think the element of God that lives in us is a spirit? Well I am not sure because I believe the very core of our being "the soul" is our direct connection to God. You may call it a spirit, but I refer to it as the soul.

Now God the son as the bible has given jesus this title. Well he is the son of god, just like we are all children of God. If we where more jesus like we would be walking in the light of God. Jesus came to set an example to teach us how to live and to reunite jews and gentiles. But my beliefs do not allow me to see jesus as my saviour or the gatekeeper to connecting with the one and only creator.

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Originally Posted by lighterrr

Well i believe in God the father, and yes i believe he lives in all of us. now do i think the element of God that lives in us is a spirit? Well i am not sure because i believe the very core of our being "the soul" is our direct connection to God. You may call it a spirit, but i refer to it as the soul.

Now God the son as the bible has given jesus this title. Well he is the son of god, just like we are all children of God. If we where more jesus like we would be walking in the light of God. Jesus came to set an example to teach us how to live and to reunite jews and gentiles. But my beliefs do not allow me to see jesus as my saviour or the gatekeeper to connecting with the one and only creator.

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And I believe all souls belong to God, and that soul is placed within the flesh of man to walk on earth. Yet we know that the flesh body was curse in sin by one man. AND I believe we were set free from that curse by Christ Jesus, who paid the price in HIS blood. The one man greater and anointed by the Father to be the Saviour. Christ is the divine simplicity (faith) which we don't want to be beguiled from hearing.

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Our Father sent Jesus, as HIS begotten Son, who was from the beginning with God, and who was the Word of God made flesh to walk on earth, with the HOLY SPIRIT who was the identity in the likeness of the (plural) our image = Father, Son and HOLY SPIRIT.

Yes to walk in Christ is to walk in the light of God.

But I don't see that you answered the question of who the plural images were or the indentity in likeness to both? Who was God talk with in Genesis 1:26? Who was the likeness of both indentities? Have you asked in prayer to be granted HIS Truth?

Triund,
THAT is a very good question.
It may be hard to answer in some cases.
How many people really do have an always open mind?
Fred

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Originally Posted by sndbay

And I believe all souls belong to God, and that soul is placed within the flesh of man to walk on earth. Yet we know that the flesh body was curse in sin by one man. AND I believe we were set free from that curse by Christ Jesus, who paid the price in HIS blood. The one man greater and anointed by the Father to be the Saviour. Christ is the divine simplicity (faith) which we don't want to be beguiled from hearing.

Jesus christ is a model human being, that we all aspire to be, but fall so short of the glory, but he's not my saviour.

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Disagree once again the i see the "SIN" as the bible states that eve committed was more metaphorical than the physical act. Eating the forbidden fruit was really man's fall from grace and not the origination of sin and their deviation from the tree of life to the tree of knowledge.

Our Father sent Jesus, as HIS begotten Son, who was from the beginning with God, and who was the Word of God made flesh to walk on earth, with the HOLY SPIRIT who was the identity in the likeness of the (plural) our image = Father, Son and HOLY SPIRIT.

Disagree again I don't think jesus is the son of God as the bible makes him out to be, i see jesus as a great prophet, like mohammed is to islam.

Yes to walk in Christ is to walk in the light of God.

Diasgree you do not need christ to walk or communicate with God, God is within all of us and IT is up to us to find him and build a relationship with him. These no free lunch on this earth we need to work on it, and not take the easy way out by saying " ohhh i beleive in jesus so im walking with god". Words are so cheap its the actual actions of commuting ones mind, body and soul to discover God within>



But I don't see that you answered the question of who the plural images were or the indentity in likeness to both? Who was God talk with in Genesis 1:26? Who was the likeness of both indentities? Have you asked in prayer to be granted HIS Truth?

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What do you define as prayer is it the our father, hail mary etc.?

Me definition of prayer and yours may differ to a great degree. Prayer to me is meditation and connecting with the soul within me, speaking to the almighty god from the soul within, giving him my mind body and soul and not mechanically ritualistic recital of words (i.e our father, hail mary). Granted his truth? What do you mean buy that, what truth?

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Originally Posted by arcura

Triund,
THAT is a very good question.
It may be hard to answer in some cases.
How many people really do have an always open mind?
Fred

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I will definitely say that I am not 100% open minded some things people say I dismiss it as nonsense, or I agree to disagree with them. Knowing that not everyone will see things my way or share my beliefs. I don't think any human being has developed the self conditioning that is need to be 100% unbias and open to all ideas. There's only a few people that I believe has ever reached the point of enlightenment where they can be unbias and I would say that was jesus christ, mohammed and some of the great saints of our time.

Us everyday folks are nowhere near, this level of elevation:p

What many people miss when they think about Jesus Christ is the true CORE of His teaching.

It was not about a code of ethics.

The core of Jesus' teaching was Himself. It is impossible to accept His teachings while rejecting Him.

It is also impossible to claim Jesus as saviour without also accepting Him as your Lord. It's a package deal.

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Originally Posted by galveston

What many people miss when they think about Jesus Christ is the true CORE of His teaching.

It was not about a code of ethics.

The core of Jesus' teaching was Himself. It is impossible to accept His teachings while rejecting Him.

It is also impossible to claim Jesus as saviour without also accepting Him as your Lord. It's a package deal.

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Definitely not a package deal in my book:)

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Originally Posted by galveston

What many people miss when they think about Jesus Christ is the true CORE of His teaching.

It was not about a code of ethics.

The core of Jesus' teaching was Himself. It is impossible to accept His teachings while rejecting Him.

It is also impossible to claim Jesus as saviour without also accepting Him as your Lord. It's a package deal.

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I tried to give you a greenie but I couldn't since I recently gave you one. What you had to say was biblically correct and did NOT deserve a REDDIE. This is a Christian board if you are going to give REDDIES, please back it up with the BIBLE. It is not only the POLITE thing to do, it is part of the RULES.:mad:

galveston,
I agree with you.
It IS a package deal.
Fred

Dare81,
I agree with what galveston said.
It is not like you said about Newton.
Jesus is divine, Newton was a mere human mortal.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

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Originally Posted by arcura

Dare81,
I agree with what galveston said.
It is not like you said about Newton.
Jesus is divine, Newton was a mere human mortal.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

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I agree that newton was a mortal a scientific genius. But jesusa was also a mortal, who elevated to the highest level of "SPITITUAL GENIUS":)

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450donn disagrees: But the reputation system does have rules, and if you choose not to follow them then please refrain from posting

What i wrote was not factually incorrect, and does not deserve a reddie, but that is okay i know you are mad because i challange your beliefs and the worst you can do to me is give me a redie, that kind of attitue is very common againts you religious types

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Dare you are so correct. I also take a lot of heat from expressing my views, which are so different from many o the posters on this board, but your well within your rights to post your opinion and views on the subject. Im with you all the way:D

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Originally Posted by lighterrr

What do you define as prayer is it the our father, hail mary etc.?

Me definition of prayer and yours may differ to a great degree. Prayer to me is meditation and connecting with the soul within me, speaking to the almighty god from the soul within, giving him my mind body and soul and not mechanically ritualistic recital of words (i.e our father, hail mary). Granted his truth? What do you mean buy that, what truth?

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First let me say, I asked about praying because scripture has told us to do so. And it was (Mark 14:38 Matthew 26:14) that warns us of the need in prayer.

As for what I define as prayer, I will say prayer is in the same manner as Christ taught us. My prayer is to the Father with the spirit. ( 1 Cr 14:15)

And I would say no one needs to speak their prayer in oral words, or has to in speaking with God. In a gathering of prayer that is what is usually done. When alone privately, within the heart soul, and mind of conviction in love, I then pray through the spirit to God.

When I ask you concerning truth, it is in knoweldge to what God wants to reveal to you. For to me God is the Spirit of Truth.. You mention it was your religion that does not permit Christ as your Saviour.

I view religion as being taken in many different directions, and directed by man.

And not all churches are the house of God in body being Christ, when each person as members, walk in faith with Christ, and Christ is the one corner stone by all that He fulfilled in HIS Father's will.

Now again I ask .. and have not yet seen that you answered the question of who the plural images were or the indentity in likeness to both? Who was God talk with in Genesis 1:26? Who was the likeness of both indentities?

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Originally Posted by Dare81

What he wrote was factually incorrect, Muslims believe in him and follow his teaching without accepting him as the son of God.Just because this is a christian board does not mean everything has to be backed up by the bible. Read the rules

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This is a Christianity Board. It is based on faith and our ONLY authority is the Bible therefore It IS NOT factually incorrect. The Bible backs up his statement. If you want to give your opinion, we welcome it but to give reputation because your OPINION or beliefs differ is RUDE and NOT playing by the rules of this sight. I don't agree with the Muslims, but I'm not on THAT board giving reddies to everyone that says something that I disagree with because I don't like the Quran and I believe the Bible. NOw, having said that I have given reddies on the Christain board if what someone says it biblically wrong and I can give scrpitrue to back it up.

Yes the Christian board or the Muslim board or the Jewish board everything is based on the persons individual faith, understanding, belief or opinion and you really can't give reddies unless it is totally off base and incorrect.

Lets call the Old Testament. The law of Moses, and call the New Testament. The new covenant. In the old, the laws were strict and hard to live by, yes? I don't care who you are NO ONE can live by the Bible NO ONE, not even Moses himself was able to live by these rules. As you read in the Bible he was forbidden to set foot in the promise land, by GOD himself. Now our country has been founded by these standards guess what, we failed, yep even christians, We All Fall Short Of The Glory Of God! Sound familiar. Knowing This our Lord Jesus came back and redeemed us all, hence the New Testament. Read the Gospels, Mathew, Mark, Luke and John to help you understand the New Testament. Bottom line my friend Don't follow religion. Follow the way the truth and the light, JESUS!!

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Originally Posted by sndbay

First let me say, I asked about praying because scripture has told us to do so. And it was (Mark 14:38 Matthew 26:14) that warns us of the need in prayer.

As for what I define as prayer, I will say prayer is in the same manner as Christ taught us. My prayer is to the Father with the spirit. ( 1 Cr 14:15)

And I would say no one needs to speak their prayer in oral words, or has to in speaking with God. In a gathering of prayer that is what is usually done. When alone privately, within the heart soul, and mind of conviction in love, I then pray through the spirit to God.

When I ask you concerning truth, it is in knoweldge to what God wants to reveal to you. For to me God is the Spirit of Truth.. You mention it was your religion that does not permit Christ as your Saviour.

I dont belong to ANY RELIGION, i have a spiritual beleif that I adhear to you their is a big difference between SPRITUALITY AND RELIGION
I view religion as being taken in many different directions, and directed by man.

I agree and thats where the problem because all man including the pope himself fall short of the glory of God.

And not all churches are the house of God in body being Christ, when each person as members, walk in faith with Christ, and Christ is the one corner stone by all that He fulfilled in HIS Father's will.

Now again I ask .. and have not yet seen that you answered the question of who the plural images were or the indentity in likeness to both? Who was God talk with in Genesis 1:26? Who was the likeness of both indentities?

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I dont understand what you are asking? Try breaking it down some more please.