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Originally Posted by deist

Apparently you don't know what a firmament is in the bible, & you're not aware of the many verses in the bible that says the earth is established that it cannot move. Go back to school & learn some more.

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I am very aware of what the Bible says, and you claims do not change what it says.

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Originally Posted by deist

Apparently you have never heard of the reconstructionists, also called the dominionists. You get real. Wake up & see reality. And while you're at it google dominionists or reconstructionists.

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These groups are considered to be in heresy or error. They do not reflect Biblical Christianity.

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Originally Posted by Galveston1

Back to your original question: Let me give you short answers to both prophecies. Unfulfilled prophecies is not the same as failed prophecies. The high priest will see Jesus at whichever resurrection he is in. The Apostles didn't get to all the villages in Israel in their lifetimes because persecution scattered them over all the known world. Now how about you explaining the fulfilled prophecies that Jesus gave? Only God knows the future. Just off the top of my head without giving you a lengthy list of scripture references try these on for size. Jesus fortold: His death; the way He would be killed; that He would be betrayed by one of His Apostles; He indicatated who that would be; He fortold Peter's denial; He fortold how long He would be in the tomb; He fortold the general time and method of Peter's death; In Matthew ch. 24 He plainly said that earthquakes, famines, wars, etc were not the sign of the end, but that the gospel would be preached in all the world, which has happened and continues to happen; He fortold the destruction of Jeursalem and the Temple; He told how believers in Jerusalem could escape that destruction (they did) He said the time frame for that destruction was to be in their generation (it was); He told them that His followers would receive the Holy Ghost (they did). There! If Jesus is not God the Son, how did He know these things? And if He is not alive, how have the Penetcostals historically and currently been filled with the Holy Spirit, healed the sick, and in some instances raised the dead? You have nothing but an empty argument. I've answered your question. You're welcome!

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Jesus didn't write the gospel, so we don't know what he really said about anything. We just have other men's claims of what Jesus said... hearsay. I can write a book & put all kinds of fantastic things in it & claim it is true. I've not seen or heard of one christian outside the questionable New Testament who has healed the sick or raised the dead. That's because it doesn't happen. No one has the power to raise the dead, & only doctors have the ability to heal the sick through medicine. If you know a faith healer that can really heal the sick send him my way, I can test his power. Your claims are unfounded & ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Tj3

These groups are considered to be in heresy or error. they do not reflect Biblical Christianity.

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The reconstructionists have already infiltrated politics & government. If they achieve total power anyone who does not agree with them will be executed as idolaters, including non-reconstructionist christians.

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Originally Posted by deist

The reconstructionists have already infiltrated politics & government. If they acheive total power anyone who does not agree with them will be executed as idolaters, including non-reconstructionist christians.

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No doubt, but they are not Christians. Just because a person claims to be a Christian does not make them one.

Matt 7:21-22
21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
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Originally Posted by Tj3

No doubt, but they are not Christians. Just because a person claims to be a Christian does not make them one.

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This I will agree with.

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Originally Posted by deist

Jesus didn't write the gospel, so we don't know what he really said about anything. We just have other men's claims of what Jesus said...hearsay. I can write a book & put all kinds of fantastic things in it & claim it is true. I've not seen or heard of one christian outside the questionable New Testament who has healed the sick or raised the dead. That's because it doesn't happen. No one has the power to raise the dead, & only doctors have the ability to heal the sick through medicine. If you know a faith healer that can really heal the sick send him my way, I can test his power. Your claims are unfounded & ridiculous.

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You are a typical liberal; mind closed and intellecetually dishonest. You select bits from the Bible that you can take out of context or alter to attempt to prove your point, discredit the Bible, and vilify the God of the Bible, but when anyone else appeals to scripture to prove you wrong, youi dismiss their proof out of hand because it comes from the Bible. There is no such thing as a "faith healer". When the Gospel is preached correctly, some will be healed in comfirmation of that Gospel. I have seen people healed of various things for most of my life. You have never heard of one because you move in the wrong circles. Until you allow others to use the same material that you do in these discussions, there is no point in going any further with you.

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Originally Posted by Galveston1

You are a typical liberal; mind closed and intellecetually dishonest. You select bits from the Bible that you can take out of context or alter to attempt to prove your point, discredit the Bible, and vilify the God of the Bible, but when anyone else appeals to scripture to prove you wrong, youi dismiss their proof out of hand because it comes from the Bible. There is no such thing as a "faith healer". When the Gospel is preached correctly, some will be healed in comfirmation of that Gospel. I have seen people healed of various things for most of my life. You have never heard of one because you move in the wrong circles. Until you allow others to use the same material that you do in these discussions, there is no point in going any further with you.

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I would prefer that you not go any further with me, because you are more brainwashed than most christians.

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Originally Posted by deist

I would prefer that you not go any further with me, because you are more brainwashed than most christians.

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And we could say you are a brainwashed detist.

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Originally Posted by fallen2grace

And we could say you are a brainwashed detist.

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Deists cannot be brainwashed, they use their God-given reason in determining truth, & they don't let some book such as the bible do all their thinking for them. They think for themselves.

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Originally Posted by deist

Deists cannot be brainwashed, they use their God-given reason in determining truth, & they don't let some book such as the bible do all their thinking for them. They think for themselves.

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I truly hope that you meant this in jest and don't actually believe that deists cannot be brainwashed. :D :D :D

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Originally Posted by Tj3

I truly hope that you meant this in jest and don't actually believe that deists cannot be brainwashed. :D :D :D

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Deism is brainwash proof.

That shows serious brain washing, to the point they don't believe it is possible

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Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck

that shows serious brain washing, to the point they don't beleive it is possible

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Deists don't have a clergy, or holy books, or rituals, or any such thing that might serve to brainwash them.

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Originally Posted by deist

Deists cannot be brainwashed, they use their God-given reason in determining truth, & they don't let some book such as the bible do all their thinking for them. They think for themselves.

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I think For myself. -_-

All humans think for themselves.

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Originally Posted by fallen2grace

I think For myself. -_-

All humans think for themselves.

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You don't think for yourself. You don't question the bible at all. You believe it hook, line, & sinker without being critical. The bible says not to lean unto your own understanding, which means don't think for yourself. So don't give me that lying crap that you think for yourself.

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Originally Posted by fallen2grace

I think For myself. -_-

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Actually most times you don't since you seem to quote verse for every reasoning you make here. That shows that you follow a book blindly versus reasoning stuff out yourself.

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Originally Posted by deist

I'm not worried about eternity at all. I'm concerned with living this life. Eternity will take care of itself. If there is a heaven, it will be filled with good people whether they were Muslim, Christian, Jehovah's Witness, Agnostic, Atheist, Deist, Pantheist, or any other religion of man.

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Diest: what makes you so sure of this. Just because that is how you HOPE things will be when you die that does not mean that is what will take place. Just because that is what you choose to believe it does not change reality. I can jump of a cliff and choose to believe gravity does not exist but the reality still exist whether I want to believe it or not. Hell is real and it will be filled with "good" people who rejected Christ.

One of my fathers close friend was an atheist and he had a near death experience while he was surfing in australia when he got stung by a Jelly fish. I fact he was declaired dead for about 5 min. while he was close to death he prayed to God and said I have heard of you but if you are real save me from death. This man died and got a glimpse of hell and he describes it as the worst thing he has ever seen in his life. In the darkness a light appeared and Jesus appeared and told him to go back to earht and warn people of this. This is a true story! This man had NO interest in the things of God and now he is a pastor of a church in Kansas and tours the world telling people his story. Diest this is reality I hope you do not turn away from Gods hand that is reaching out to you! Just open your heart and give him a chance.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Actually most times you don't since you seem to quote verse for every reasoning you make here. That shows that you follow a book blindly versus reasoning stuff out yourself.

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Wrong! We have found truth in God's Word over that of science, or any other book. And since we have found truth why wouldn't we use that truth to back up what we say? It is no different than you quoting a scientists to back up your reasonings.

I get so sick of hearing that Christians are brainwashed. We are not brainwashed. Anyone can know things about the Bible based upon what they are told, but it isn't until you allow God in that it becomes truth. Before I was saved all that I had learned from my parents, family, friends, church, etc. didn't mean anything until I was saved and God could then show me it is truth. There are often people who are raised to believe in the Christian faith, but choose otherwise. If they believe in the Earth's creation and all that's in it through science's explanation, then you could say they were brainwashed by their teachers, by science books, by all those they spoke to that are not religious. If they choose another religion you could say they were brainwashed by that religious book, by those followers, etc. The point is that no matter what a person chooses, they chose it because that is what made more sense to them. They chose it with their own mind and own free will. Not because someone else said so. There are more people who do not believe in God than who do. Therefore it could be said that those who do not, are brainwashed because that is the majority. Just as it can be said that because those who believe are in the minority, they can be brainwashed. Again, no one is brainwashed. If we go by your reasoning then everyone is brainwashed to believe whatever it is they believe. The fact that you think those who are not religious cannot brainwashed just goes to show how one-sided your mind is. It also shows how you yourself do not reason out "stuff".

Well actually I never used the term 'brainwashed' but that's beside the point I'm sure.