Ask Me Help Desk - The rapture of the church.

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Originally Posted by Galveston1

If I understand you, it seems you believe the calling up to meet the Lord in the air to be AFTER the Millennium. Is that what you believe?

YES..somewhat ... AFTER Millinium and AFTER the 2nd release of satan which has no power over those dead in Christ, and this first resurrection is a gathering/caught up. (Revelation 20:5-7) The dead will live again on the 2nd gathering when the Book of Life is open to grant the white line garment showing the works of all servants. This plays an example of the cloth linen Christ was given by a young man being as a single event told of in ( Note: Mark 49:51) Live means eternity and dead means the dead in Christ/baptized believers.
The "Elect" which are the dead in Christ,will play a roll in teaching thoses asleep and others who were probably good doers that were falsely lead. (known to be unintental) The millinium 1000 will be a time of feeding/eating the WORD which Christ had His saints/angles gather to the wilderness. The Book of Life is open on the final coming (Revelation 20:12)

Those not in the book are throw in the pit along with satan.(Revealtion 20:14) The we have a new heaven and new earth.. Note scriptue say new earth, so I feel this leads us to think we will live again on the new earth(another age)..However it will be in a spiritual existance/in the air, and not of flesh body(Revelation 21:1) no more seas means flesh, because we are the seas/people in the scripture.

There is a scripture that tells of the day=1000 and added days which follow in total number which is in likelness to the few satan will be given after the 1000. Then it goes on to mention those who reach past those days and even a feww more added days will see eternity. Perhaps you know that verse, and can offer it as the final refer.

Example yet still not the one that states the exact amount of days in fact. Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

1 Corinthians 10:8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand. read as 1023

I wish they would hurry it up and then we will all see for ourselves. I mean the longer it takes the more versions of the truth we will have again. "The Day Mankind believed in on Faith"

I cannot see any reason for resurrected and living saints to be called to meet the Lord in tha air AFTER the Millennium.

The only time it would make any sense for anyone to be caught up to meet the Lord is BEFORE He actually sets foot on Earth again. Once He has returned and set up His Kingdom, there is no scripture that says He will again go away. In fact the New Jerusalem will come down, and Heaven will be here. The verse we are discussing says "so shall we ever be with the Lord".

I believe that to say our resurrected bodies will not be physical is an error. After Jesus' resurrection, he proved himself to be physical and not a spirit by eating food in the presence of His Apostles.
Of course, He was not subject to the ordinary laws of physics, and neither will we be.

WakkieRob,
Take all the time you need, just hope and pray that the end of time as we know it does not run out first.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

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Originally Posted by Galveston1

I cannot see any reason for resurrected and living saints to be called to meet the Lord in tha air AFTER the Millennium.

The only time it would make any sense for anyone to be caught up to meet the Lord is BEFORE He actually sets foot on Earth again. Once He has returned and set up His Kingdom, there is no scripture that says He will again go away. In fact the New Jerusalem will come down, and Heaven will be here. The verse we are discussing says "so shall we ever be with the Lord".

I believe that to say our resurrected bodies will not be physical is an error. After Jesus' resurrection, he proved himself to be physical and not a spirit by eating food in the presence of His Apostles.
Of course, He was not subject to the ordinary laws of physics, and neither will we be.

There is no such thing as rapture! Men worked this as leaven into the teaching of religion. Christ would have this rebuked as satan work of deception.

You feel Christ's return on THE LORDS DAY, and that day He will be Flesh/man, never to leave us?
Well I say He returns and will never leave us on THE LORDS DAY.We will all change that DAY to spiritual bodies. Christ [in flesh] is false!!! Christ is of the KINGDOM OF HEAVEN/Spiritual desending upon us.

It is satan that will be man/666 the instead of christ/antichrist here on earth before THE LORDS DAY and satan will be in flesh/man.

This entire conprehension of deception for man by satan is based on the reversed happening with satan trying to deceive everyone.

You said it, There will be no need for Christ to prove himself again.

When Christ comes to help/recompence us from satan and the trouble satan caused us ( II Thessalonians 1:6) Christ comes with His saint/angels in command of His order, (II Thessalonians 1:7).

The angels are a part of The Kingdom realm in Heaven, which are to bring Christ glory by us in admiration. The angels rejoice at the belief in those that did not fall worship to satan, all in the glory of Christ who with his flesh brought the warning "THE WORD" (II Thessalonians 1:10)

Now satan return in II Thessalonians 2 and there it does causion as written by Paul. Paul speaks of the falling away first and that the man/666 be revealed son of perdition (II Thessalonians 2:3)

Again told that even "Him" that comes after the working of satan ( II Thessalonians 2:9)

Knowing you must accept the WORD of TRUTH ( II Thessalonians 2:10) in the mist of deceivableness.

Note: Matthew 24:29-30 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

As for us on THE LORDS DAY do you agree that this will be the millinium 1000?
That Christ will come with His angels and gather/caught up those to take then to a safe place to rest here on earth?
And at that moment in time the change from flesh to terrestrail body takes place so that the remaining time here on earth will be in the celeestail body? ( I Corinthians 15:40)

So as is the resurrection of the dead, it is sown in [corruption/it will parish=flesh;] it is raised [incorruption/celestrail] changed...
Reading all of (I Corinthains 15:42-50) will confirm what takes place when Christ returns. Flesh and blood can not inherit the Kingdom of God.

Note: we should not all sleep but we should all be changed.. (I Corinthians 15:51)

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Originally Posted by Galveston1

If I understand you, it seems you believe the calling up to meet the Lord in the air to be AFTER the Millennium. Is that what you believe?

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Originally Posted by Sndbay

YES..somewhat ... AFTER Millinium and AFTER the 2nd release of satan which has no power over those dead in Christ, and this first resurrection is a gathering/caught up.]

Understand why I say somewhat... What you refer as coming up to the Lord, I feel means when the book opens for the final judgement and wedding. This is indeed after the Millinium 1000.
The change is done on THE LORDS DAY.
All flesh changes to spiritual so there is no further deception. We are gather/caught up to a safe resting place (wilderness to be fed)
while Christ and His angels in His order of command will lock satan up for a short season. We are safe, and Not near the wrath of God when it comes down on satan.

From Greek , Hebrew, and English that is how best I can explain. I do pray this is understood..

My Son will be baptised the day before the day you say arcura and my the GODS be with him bless his soul!

I cannot understand the bible even when I've read it before am I evil or am I blinded by the light.

sndbay,
I believe as the bible says that we will have glorified bodies as Jesus has now after he rose from the dead.
Jesus could be touched, be broke bread, he ate fish, and he walked through walls and appeared instantly in a far different place.
That's a glorified body ability.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

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Originally Posted by arcura

sndbay,
I believe as the bible says that we will have glorified bodies as Jesus has now after he rose from the dead.
Jesus could be touched, be broke bread, he ate fish, and he walked through walls and appeared instantly in a far different place.
That's a glorified body ability.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

I agree with that, Fred.

I Jn 3:2
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
(KJV)

I have serious differences with the way SND interprets things. The chronology makes no sense to me, and neither does the denial of our getting glorified bodies, which are just as real as the ones we have now, only not subject to the physical laws as now.

"THE WORD" was made Flesh

ICorinthains 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit.

I Corinthians 15:46-47 Howbeit that [was] not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.The first man [is] of the earth, earthy: the second man [is] the Lord from heaven.

I Coringthians 15:48-49 As [is] the earthy, such [are] they also that are earthy: and as [is] the heavenly, such [are] they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

Note I Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

I Corinthians 15:51-52 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
I Corinthians 15:53-54 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality.So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Galveston1,
Thanks.
I agree with you about sndbay's post on this subject.
According to the bible what was said does not make sense to me.
Peace and kindness,
Fred