I asked for ONE Bible contradiction including the Chapter and verse.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
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I asked for ONE Bible contradiction including the Chapter and verse.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Why don't you just answer the question? The question does not stem from ignorance, but of a curious mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Needkarma.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
You are wrong, wrong, wrong. When Jesus is talking in John 3 he is explaining something that must happen in order to be saved or see the Kingdom of God as he puts it. The process of being "born again" is something God does the minute someone believes. He gives us HIS HOLY SPIRIT. Those who"have been christains since baptism" as you put it are indeed Born Again. I am clueless as to your point?? I have no need to "FEEL" superior to you. I just KNOW what I KNOW... don't hate me for knowing... lol (I'm teasing with you and you are getting ticked off) DUDE! Lighten UP!! ')
Tessy is right of course. A "babbling brook" can always be heard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tessy777
Sorry Tessy, you are wrong, wrong, wrong. My interpretation is correct. Lighten up honey.
Ahh now Needkarma... you are just mad because I gotcha! It was the first time... but it won't be the last..! Lol ;)
It seems that KeedKarma doesn't really know what he believes. He refers to God. It is my understanding that athiests do not believe in God. Also, how is it that an atheist is now God's spokesman... pretending to know what God knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tessy777
:confused:
There you go again Jason... reading things into what I've said. I did not say that you worship the devil... I only suggested that since this was a Christian forum, and you're a professing atheist, that you might want to post on a devil forum. You seem to be rather sensitive, don't you think?:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tessy777
And maybe you need to post on the "i dont realise that atheists dont believe in the devil either, and i am refering to satanists as atheists" forumQuote:
Originally Posted by poppa0777
Hehe :)
Well see here's the thing... atheists don't believe in eternal souls. If there is no god, you die, get put in a box, and stuck in the ground. Or burned into ashes, put in a box and stuck on a shelf. End of story. No soul, no gates, no judgement, just - the end.Quote:
How scary that you would want to trust your eternal soul to Google.
And here's a fun link:
7 E-Z Steps to get a handy collection of Bible Contradictions and Problems - ExChristian.Net - Articles
Someone want to tell me why god sends bears to kill children? Or should we start a new thread for that?
Here's another fun one:
The Brick Testament
Happy clicking! :)
good question... don't really know... I Do know that they weren't really children... they were teenagers making fun of God's Prophet. I suppose God, who finds all sin appalling, decided He'd had enough.. but I don't know? Tell you what! YOU can ask him that very question at the Great White Throne. God is sovereign. MAN HATES THAT.. it is OUR nature.Quote:
Originally Posted by jillianleab
You don't believe in the Great White Throne? OK.
So killing teens is OK? Huh? Did they really have to be killed? Couldn't they have just been "taught" it's not nice to make fun of people? Shown how powerful god is and given a chance to apologize? Seriously? The only option was sending bears to rip them to pieces? Seriously??
If that's how god deals with teens who make fun of him or his prophets, I got to say, I'm glad I don't believe in the great white throne! I want no part of a religion which has bears mauling kids for doing what kids do.
Tessy777 disagrees: sorry Dude... wrong again... John 3:3-8 the term "born again" came directy from Jesus. But you won't find it in Paul's epistles.
Allheart agrees: 1) Never really like the term "dude' and 2) I agree with you 100% - I have never read or was taught that Jesus said you must be "dude' and 2) I agree with you 100% - I have never read or was taught that Jesus said you must be ". So right you are here NK.
Allheart,
LOL! If you have never READ or been TAUGHT that Jesus said you must be ". So right you are here NK.
Allheart,
LOL! if you have never READ or been TAUGHT that Jesus said you must be " well then by gollies... it MUST be true... HEY... here is a thought... read JOHN 3:3-8.. HE says it in EVERY translation.. LOL! (yes, I am being a TAD bit sarcastic here but give me a break) I didn't make it up. LOL I gave the book and the verse!
Chill, I didn't kill them. I simply said.. God is Sovereign.. I didn't make that up either. If you don't want anything to do with God... that is OK too... it is your choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by jillianleab
I guess it's just another one of those things I don't "get" about religion. I don't get how god can be loving and we are all his children and yadda yadda yadda (no disrespect there, just for emphasis!) and there are examples like stoning your kids and bears killing children in the bible.
I know it's my choice to have anything to do with god or not - thanks for acknowledging that and not posting 10 pages of scripture trying to convert me!
But to the original question (which I think has been lost), it depends on your religious views or non-religious views. I'm sure each religious text out there has a section on what happens to people when they die. Or I suppose you could Google it... :)
I learned a long time ago not to pour a bunch of verses down anyone's throat. I don't even read the long posts myself. There are MANY things about God that I don't understand and I won't pretend to. I don't have all the answers... no one here does.Quote:
Originally Posted by jillianleab
Having said that, there are really many Wonderful things about God! The only thing I will suggest is that you don't close your mind towards Him. :)
Tell you what, I won't close my mind TO HIM, if you don't close your mind FOR HIM. :)Quote:
The only thing I will suggest is that you don't close your mind towards Him.
So you'll pray for me, but you'll also give me a "disagree" on this board which will tarnish my reputation? Gee... how incredibly tolerant and loving of you. Thanks. Ever hear the expression, "You catch more flies with honey"? Guess not.Quote:
poppa0777 disagrees: Upon the Authority of God's Word you WILL believe one day. I nwill pray that you come to the knowledge of Truth before it's too late for you. Your unbelief won't cool off Hell one bit!
Oh, and I like it hot.
Probably one of the most pompous statements I have ever read here. This sounds very much like you are involved in a cult.Quote:
Pompous to you perhaps but he merely quotes the Bible... "Every knee shall bow; every tongue confess...":)Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
And I added a smile to keep it friendly LOL
Ah, I see, as long as you can quote a verse, you get a free pass to be pompous. That may work among people who idolize the Bible, but in the larger community, it just comes off as common arrogance. You really need to come up with a wiser approach if you want to communicate effectively with people who don't already share your view of the Bible.Quote:
Originally Posted by chaplain john
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Originally Posted by NeedKarma
LOL... oh NK,
Is that your "expert" opinion... well if anyone would know pompous... sorry dude, but you give me too much ammo! LOL ')
Seriously, what are we suppose to back what we believe up with? I am curious, why is quoting the bible offensive, intolerant and pompous? This is a Christainity board... I could quote from the Book of Tessy... but I KNOW you wouldn't like that any better. LOL
Well, you could try well-reasoned and thoughtful discussion that doesn't denigrate others or disparage their position just because they don't accept your holy book as the last and only word.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tessy777
It isn't quoting the Bible per se that's offensive, it's the assumption that if you can find a Bible text that appears to support your point of view, everybody else is therefore compelled to accept it as God-ordained.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tessy777
You seem to assume that truth has to come from a book, and the main question is WHICH book to quote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tessy777
Ordinaryguy,
Well as a Christian on a Christian BOARD... I quote the Bible. I believe that the Bible is INDEED absolute truth... there is NO question as to what book to quote dude. Not a one.
From what I can tell, MAN has no original thoughts. I am not interested in what man thinks, feels, concludes or reasons.. I am interested in God. I BELIEVE that the Bible is absolute truth! Period.. so I quote it... I assume Nothing...
Tessy, I have a test for you and everyone, I will post it when I get home. It's just a bit of fun.
Okie dokie dude.. why do I have a feeling I'm going to flunk it... lol
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poppa0777 disagrees: Religious "whackos"? Isn't that kind of characterization what you were just whining about?
Well Popoff! It's real easy to sit behind the safety of your computer and hurl insults at people that don't agree with you isn't it? You're one of the religious whackos Iwas referring to. Just go back and read your posts. I find no tolerance whatsoever there. I was "whining"?" Hey Turkey! It ain't me setting behing the safety of my computer spewing out insults and bible verses. For 13 years I was out on the front lines dealig with people just like you. I've been attacked, shot at, opened phony Anthrax letters and survived two bomb threats. All done by "good christians". What have you done besides run your mouth and proselytize your particular brand of religion. Yes! I'm a atheist. Is it your position that you're a better man because you thump a Bible and I don't? Hey! For 13 years I put people in jail that were exactly your caliber and felt very good about it. Whining indeed! And if you want to give me another red box go right ahead. A disagreement from you means nothing.
Dear Mr. Speedball,Quote:
Originally Posted by speedball1
You seem to get "riled up" rather quickly. This is a Christian Forum, not a devil forum. If you're so sick of Christians, maybe I can give you a little advise (which you probably won't take... ). Post on the devil's forums. Christians aren't "door mats" for people like you. I'm curious about something, Speedball; is it your nature to get so worked up with someone who doesn't agree with you? We are not going to fight with you. Also, there you go again... just like you people... trying to "read something" between the lines that isn't there. You have miserably failed in picking a fight with me. It's much easier for all of us to see why you've had so much trouble. We are people of integrity, not murderers. Remember this one thing Speedball, God loves you, but hates your sin. We will all be praying for you to get saved. Again, if you get all worked up over something like this, I kindly suggest that you start posting with your own kind. I hide behind nothing Mr. Speedball. The Word of God is the Final Authority. No one on here is trying to shove it down your throat Pal. Just because you don't believe it doesn't change it, nor will it cool down HELL one degree.
Please read the Bible with an open mind, and I believe you will be Enlightened like the rest of God's Church have been. It is not necessary for you to go to Hell. Christ died on the cross of Calvary so that ALL mankind could be saved. That includes YOU. I will be praying for you. Like all of the rest of us, you too need it. I'm sorry my post upset you so much.
ordinaryguy,Quote:
Originally Posted by ordinaryguy
Since the Bible is the Final Authority, and this happens to be a Christian Forum, I'm confused as to why you think quoting Scripture is pompous? As for your comment to Tessy about "coming up with a wiser approach", there has never been, nor shall there ever be, a wiser Book from which to quote. Simply quoting Scripture... how can that make her or any other person pompous? She is not stating her personal opinions... she's stating God's Word, which is HIS OPINION. If anyone has a problem with that... they should take their complaint to the Author. Tessy is only a messenger. Get it?
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This is a Christian Forum, not a devil forum.
poppa there seems to be a theme here, and something you don't understand about atheism... atheists don't believe in the devil. So posting on the devil forum would go very much like posting on the Christianity forum.Quote:
Post on the devil's forums.
Tessy, NK should check out the definition of CULT. I copied and pasted it here:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tessy777
a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents
Obviously, Christianity has absolutely nothing to do with religion. Christianity is an experience, not a denomination or religion. Chalk up one more for the Home Team.
;) Yes, I understand that. My only point is that why would someone want to continue to post on a Christianity Forum if they are athiests. If they don't believe in God, I was just thinking they may believe in the dirty devil.:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by jillianleab
poppa you say you understand, but then you say "they may believe in the dirty devil" which indicates you do not understand. You believe in the devil. You don't worship him, but you believe he exists. The only people who can worship the devil are people who believe he exists, and atheists do not. Atheists could have similar debates on all the religion threads on this site, as atheists reject ALL gods, not just the Christian one.
As far as posting on the Christianity forum, well... I suppose there's just the chance, the small, small chance, that one day, someone might be able to empathize with our point of view and say, "Gee. Never thought of it that way" instead of "No! The bible says so!" Many Christians are very hostile toward non-Christians, especially atheists. They think atheists have no values, no morals, no reason for living, no joy in their lives, etc. By posting on the Christian forums, we can demonstrate that for the vast majority of atheists, that simply is not true. I will not deny there are some mean atheists out there who will attack Christians, belittle them, and so forth, but those individuals are not representative of the whole. My point in posting on the Christianity threads is to hopefully expose people to a different way of thinking. It doesn't have to go against god, but if I can get a little empathy, well, I consider it a good day.
Your confusion arises from the fact that your belief, "the Bible is the Final Authority", is not shared by everyone who's participating in this discussion. If we all agreed about that, we could start from that common point, but since we don't, it's not a workable starting point.Quote:
Originally Posted by poppa0777
Actually, I made the comment to chaplain john here and a similar one to you here. My point was that if you want to communicate effectively with people who don't share your view of the Bible, you might want to find an approach that doesn't start by pummeling them with Bible texts.Quote:
Originally Posted by poppa0777
Yes, you've been very clear and consistent in stating your belief, and I accept that you do indeed believe this. Can you likewise accept that not everyone here shares this belief?Quote:
Originally Posted by poppa0777
What's pompous isn't "Simply quoting Scripture". It's the attitude that if you quote a Bible text that appears to support your position, that's the end of the matter and everybody has to accept that you're right because God says so. To those who don't share your belief that the Bible is God's Word, this attitude seems pompous and arrogant. That's not so hard to understand is it? Ask yourself how you would respond to similar behavior by a Muslim quoting the Koran to show you the error of your ways. Would you be persuaded?Quote:
Originally Posted by poppa0777
Well, it IS her opinion, and yours, that the Bible is God's Word, but that belief isn't shared by all participants in this discussion. If we all agreed about that, this would be a persuasive argument, but since we don't, it isn't. Get it?Quote:
Originally Posted by poppa0777
Ordinaryguy,
Dude... I get it! You don't think God's Word is the final authority.. ok. That is your choice... but why are you miffed at me because I do? I don't think we have ever had a discussion. I get the feeling that I offended you. Sorry. By the way.. I don't simply quote scripture, in fact, I rarely do. I guess I have had 171 posts and I bet only 5 -8 have had scripture quoted. So tell me... why are you miffed with me?
:D I accept your apology too. Have a good day.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by poppa0777
Yes, you've been quite clear about that, and I'm sure that belief serves you well when dealing with other people who share it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tessy777
Dudette, I get it, you BELIEVE that the Bible is absolute truth. But if you aren't interested in what anybody else has to say, why are you participating in this discussion? I think you are interested.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tessy777
I'm not miffed at you, or poppa or anybody else. I'm just trying to help you understand why comments like "Upon the Authority of God's Word you WILL believe one day" might come off as being pompous and arrogant to someone who doesn't share your belief about the Bible. Poppa said it to jillianleab, chaplain john backed him up, NeedKarma called it pompous, you tweaked him for it, I'm tweaking you. It's all part of the rollicking good time we have here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tessy777
I'm neither miffed nor offended (Well, OK, sometimes your excessive use of "Dude" irritates me a little, but I'm willing to overlook that). I just thought that since Jesus told his disciples to "teach all nations" about his message, you might want a little feedback about how your approach is working. If you're content to limit your outreach to those who already share your belief about the Bible, then I guess it's irrelevant how it goes over with the rest of the world. But that's a pretty small subset of the population of the planet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tessy777
I think you miss the point here. It's not that I wouldn't accept God's word as the final authority (if there were any evidence to there being a god). It's just that I don't see any reason to accept that the bible is God's word.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tessy777
(I used 'I' here because it is my own view, but I hope I convey the view of NK and ordinaryguy here also)
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Originally Posted by ordinaryguy
Oridinaryguy and Cap... dudes:
We do have a good time here.. don't you think? Well, I give you some credit you at least understand more of what I am about than some. Of course, I tweaked NK.. I get his attention that way... (and he would rather die than admit it.. but he likes it.) ;)
Well, I could show you my softer more gentler side, but what fun with that be? ;)
I don't think it is pompous when the scripture is quoted. I do think wisdom is needed here. I wouldn't respond to someone who is obviously irritated with Every Knee shall bow kind of thing. I don't think I am guilty of that. Check out my posts though and feel free to correct me if I did.
I wouldn't go to a Muslim Board. I agree, anything from the Koran, I would find fault with. So I don't go there and argue my faith. But if I DID, and they quoted the Koran, I wouldn't find it pompous... I would EXPECT it. Since it is their foundation!
I have faith... that is the reason I believe. I can't give you my faith and I can't prove the Bible is true.. it is ALL about faith and it isn't my job.. that is where the Holy Spirit comes in. BUT I can make a good argument every now and again. :)
It's not quoting the bible which is seen as pompous, it's the way the scripture is used to "show" someone they are wrong. If you want to quote the bible to support your opinion, fine. If there is a debate over what the bible says about bears killing children (sorry, I just can't get over that) use all the scripture you want. But to quote the bible or use religious rhetoric to say someone WILL do something is pompous and rude. It's similar if I said "One day you WILL realize you are wrong and you will feel silly you wasted your life praying to a false god!" That too, is a pompous and rude statement. It doesn't matter if I believe it or not, it's rude to attack someone in that manner. I'm sure if I gave any Christian on this board a disagree which said that I'd be run out of here, yet it's OK if it's done the other way around.
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