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  • Mar 19, 2009, 09:12 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by gromitt82 View Post
    Right you are! And not only people are not too often aware of the price, but also more often than not, we are not even willing to pay it...

    If it's that much of an effort and "obligation," someone's attitude needs adjusting. Good works are our thank-you notes to God. If we write those notes grudgingly, God doesn't want them. "Let your light so shine before men... "
  • Mar 19, 2009, 10:12 AM
    gromitt82
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    If it's that much of an effort and "obligation," someone's attitude needs adjusting. Good works are our thank-you notes to God. If we write those notes grudgingly, God doesn't want them. "Let your light so shine before men...."

    You ask what can we do to make this world a better one?

    Let me answer you, wondergirl,

    Jusr revert to the old good values!

    Most of all love each other a little bit more which tantamount to hating each other a little bit less… that implies being more tolerant and understanding with others’ problems and less arrogant and conceited. To think more of how can we help instead of how can we get more… To desire less and give more… To recognize that what we look like to others is not as important as what we feel for others… Our beautiful image will soon be forgotten but our good deeds will not only remain in the memory of those who come after but they will also be like “good assets” in our Heavenly accounting…

    Try to leave behind some of the crushing materialism that asphyxiate us and let in through the windows of our heart some fresh spirituality… A

    s I say, the good old values… When making love didn’t mean having sex but wooing a girl by the moonlight! Or shaking hands was better than signing a contract… Or hard work meant to progress and advance step by step instead of trying to climb to the top no matter how many wounded and dead bodies we leave behind..
    If we should all set out in this direction, perhaps we would not save the world but we could greatly improve it, don’t you think so?
  • Mar 19, 2009, 09:33 PM
    arcura
    gromitt82,
    What very nice wisdom you have.
    You're letting you light shine so that others may see the good that you do and give the glory to God.
    Peace and kindness,
    Fred
  • Mar 20, 2009, 04:14 AM
    gromitt82
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by arcura View Post
    gromitt82,
    What very nice wisdom you have.
    You're letting you light shine so that others may see the good that you do and give the glory to God.
    Peace and kindness,
    Fred

    Thanks for your nice words Fred! The awe-inspiring thing is that all these measures depend only upon our good will. Nobody could stop us from applying them everywhere. And yet, we prefer to stick to our immeasurable materialism and let someone else start with the right foot.

    And we boast of our high degree of civilization! We have all kind of traffic rules which we more or less abide by because our own life may be at stake but we are adamant to follow God's norms even though our own Salvation (more important than life, for is going to last forever) is at stake too.

    O Tempora, O Mores! That said Cicero!

    Claude
  • Mar 20, 2009, 04:41 PM
    arcura
    gromitt82,
    True.
    And that is part of what belonging to and going to Church is all about.
    Fred
  • Mar 20, 2009, 06:14 PM
    JoeT777
    The Old Testament tells us of the coming of the Kingdom in the Messianic age. The Kingdom is meant for the sanctification of the twelve tribes as well as the Gentiles. Even kings are to serve and obey (Psalm 21:28 sq.; 2:7-12; 116:1; Zechariah 9:10). It’s clear that a universal faith and common worship is implied, “ And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be prepared in the top of the mountains, and high above the hills: and people shall flow to it. And many nations shall come in haste, and say: Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, and to the house of the God of Jacob: and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth out of Sion, and the word of the Lord out of Jerusalem.” (Micah 4:1-2) A unified worship, One worship under the authority who teaches and keeps the Divine Truth for all; “And it shall come to pass in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem: half of them to the east sea, and half of them to the last sea: they shall be in summer and in winter. And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day there shall be one Lord, and his name shall be one. “ (Zechariah 14:8)

    Prophecies in the Old Testament tell of a future Kingdom holding the authority in the rule of the Messiah; Psalms 2 and 71; Isaiah 9:6 sq. We see that authority in the shepherd that leads his sheep between the fields of Divine Truth (Ezekiel 34:23; 37:24-28)

    We see Christ as the first priest of the Kingdom, “The Lord hath sworn, and he will not repent: Thou art a priest for ever according to the order of Melchisedech.” (Psalm 109:4) And that priesthood is institutionalized in the Kingdom, “For from the rising of the sun even to the going down, my name is great among the Gentiles, and in every place there is sacrifice, and there is offered to my name a clean oblation: for my name is great among the Gentiles, saith the Lord of hosts” (Malachi 1:11). The priesthood in this Messianic Kingdom is a continuation of the priesthood in the Old Testament with continued sacrificial offerings; “Thus saith the Lord: if my covenant, with the day can be made void, and my covenant with the night, that there should not be day and night in their season" (Jeremiah 33:20)

    JoeT
  • Mar 20, 2009, 07:06 PM
    arcura
    Joe,
    Thanks much for that.
    Fred
  • Mar 23, 2009, 07:23 PM
    Maggie 3
    "For where two or three are gathered to together in my name, I am there in the
    midst of them." Mat. 18-20
    The spirt of Jesus lives in each induvedual Chirstian, but He promies to be with
    Them in a unique and special way when they gather "in His name" for worship, service,
    And mutual encourageement. This can be any place and at any time. This is what
    Church to me.

    Maggy 3
  • Mar 23, 2009, 07:35 PM
    arcura
    Maggie 3,
    Thanks.
    I believe that Church is a formal place or event not just a get-to-gather of a couple or more of God worshipers.
    Peace and kindness,
    Fred
  • Mar 23, 2009, 10:16 PM
    Maggie 3
    Fred, my husband and I are members of a non-denominational church that believes the bible and teaches His word. I love meeting with a lot of people that call themselves christians and I feel like we are all family in the Lord. I know many people that can't go to a church gathering or building. But God is everytwhere and we can worship Him
    Any place, anytime . For many people who are sick and disabled and can't leave
    There home to attend a formal meeting place can be as close to the Lord as any one.
    I know its what is in our heart that the Lord sees and wants us to love Him with all
    Our heart, soul, mind and strength and depending on Him at all times. I think we can praise and worship the Lord anywhere, anytime.

    MAGGIE 3
  • Mar 23, 2009, 10:56 PM
    arcura
    Maggie 3,
    I agree that one person or several can praise and worship God any time that they want to.
    But in my opinion (and I think that this question is for opinion) that Church id a formal gathering (assembly) of Christians organized (arranged) to meet together as they did in the book of acts in people's homes and later in buildings (some were built) selected for such meetings.
    I wish your church well and success.
    Peace and kindness,
    Fred

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