Ask Me Help Desk - History of the Church?

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Originally Posted by Akoue

Are you announcing with this that you do not intend to provide evidence for your thesis? If so, that is certainly your right. But then why are you still posting? This thread was begun in order to provide you ample room to present your case that the Catholic Church was founded by Constantine. So far, you have made a number of claims, but none of those claims substantiates your thesis. By all means, substantiate your thesis if you can.

Since I cannot find any syllogism, let alone any fallacy, in my posts, why don't you present what you take my syllogism to be in premise and conclusion form. That will make it much easier for you to demonstate that fallacy or fallacies of which you take me to be guilty.

I don't think Tj3 ever intended to advance his premise that the Catholic Church was founded by Constantine. His motives seem quite different to me. In my estimation what's being advanced is the anti-Catholic or hate-Catholic similar to the James White version in “The Roman Catholic Controversy” (it's the only way I can characterize it). The contention in White's book is that “Roman Catholics have no biblical defense for their beliefs.” And too, Catholics are not “biblically literate” especially when their interpretation doesn't support sola scriptora. In reference to the 'five solas' ; I don't think it ever occurred to them that if you have 5 of something sola it's no longer singular. It seems that the entire theological precepts put forward is 'bible only' combined with hate-Catholicolgy (if you can make such a word), the latter of which seems more the important issue. It seems to me that any theological arguments advanced by this type of rhetoric are not built on the love of God but rather hate for Catholics. In my opinion, the arguments are always specious, never based historical or sound theological concepts. They believe that everybody needs to base their faith on the bible only, individually guided by the Holy Spirit; of course unless being guided by the Holy Spirit you become Catholic – in this case you're a heathen.

JoeT

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Originally Posted by JoeT777

I don’t think Tj3 ever intended to advance his premise that the Catholic Church was founded by Constantine.

And we move into the usual next phase. The gossip, name-calling and personal attack phase.

Akoue,
I have seen NO, absolutely none, evidence from Tom Smith that the Catholic Church was stared in the fourth century by Constantine.
I suspect that though he has tried to duck the fact that he has NO historical evidence, that he has none that are valid.
Also His silly argument about Constantine converting to Christiaity is a laugh because if Constantine started the Catholic Church why didn't he convert to that ans also why did he proclaim that Christianity was the religion of the empire when the only Christian Church in Rome was the Catholic.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

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Originally Posted by arcura

Akoue,
I have seen NO, absolutely none, evidence from Tom Smith that the Catholic Church was stared in the fourth century by Constantine.
I suspect that though he has tried to duck the fact that he has NO historical evidence, that he has none that are valid.

Then you need to read the rest of the thread.

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Also His silly argument about Constantine converting to Christiaity is a laugh

I agree that it is a silly argument. That was Akoue's argument, not mine. :D

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Originally Posted by Tj3

Then you need to read the rest of the thread.

I agree that it is a silly argument. That was Akoue's argument, not mine. :D

Actually, Akoue made no argument regarding Constantine's purported conversion. Tj3 is once again trying to avoid the subject, which is his evidence (or apparent lack of evidence) for the thesis that the Catholic Church was begun by Constantine.

Still nothing to back up that claim, I see. You really should try to offer something other than an obvious misreading of Newman.

I'll check back again in a while to see if you have come up with anything to substantiate your claim other than bickering with other posters. (Of course, bickering is not evidence, so that doesn't help you to validate your claim that the Catholic Church was begun by Constantine.)

Every time you post without offering evidence for your claim you make that claim appear more indefensible.

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Originally Posted by Akoue

Actually, Akoue made no argument regarding Constantine's purported conversion.

You raised it as one of your points. I have to correct you by pointing out that whether there was any conversion is a controversial point.

Deny if you wish. The facts won't change.

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Tj3 is once again trying to avoid the subject, which is his evidence (or apparent lack of evidence) for the thesis that the Catholic Church was begun by Constantine.

Still nothing to back up that claim, I see. You really should try to offer something other than an obvious misreading of Newman.

I'll check back again in a while to see if you have come up with anything to substantiate your claim other than bickering with other posters. (Of course, bickering is not evidence, so that doesn't help you to validate your claim that the Catholic Church was begun by Constantine.)

I am still waiting for you to addressing the points that were raised. Or are you just going to play this silly game?

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Originally Posted by Tj3

You raised it as one of your points. I have to correct you by pointing out that whether there was any conversion is a controversial point.

Deny if you wish. The facts won't change.

I am still waiting for you to addressing the points that were raised. Or are you just going to play this silly game?

Since I believe I have addressed all the points that you have made, why don't you take a moment to set the record straight by clearly spelling out which points you feel I have neglected.

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Originally Posted by Akoue

Since I believe I have addressed all the points that you have made, why don't you take a moment to set the record straight by clearly spelling out which points you feel I have neglected.

You neglected all of them. So far all you did was create your own points and addressed them.

I think that you are likely an intelligent man, so I can only assume that you are deliberately avoiding them. I understand.

As ever has degenerated.
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