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JoeT777
Hi Juan:
I thought I had explained, but it turns out I didn't – and I think my reading connects the Old Testament with the New as well as connecting us with God through Christ. The importance of “God's Kingdom” is that it is a direct connection with the Divine by which we are “ruled” by our faith and love of God. I like to make that connection this way:
We take God's Word as being immutable.
Correct.
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Consequently, when God promises Moses a Kingdom we shouldn't dismiss it out of hand because it's Old Teastament and the law doesn't apply to the New Covenant.
You lost me there. Who dismisses Moses Kingdom?
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Moses is told, “If therefore you will hear my voice, and keep my covenant, you shall be my peculiar possession above all people: for all the earth is mine. And you shall be to me a priestly kingdom, and a holy nation.” (Ex.19: 5, 6), which is the Old Testament equivalent of Matt 16:18. The promise made to Moses is an integral part of the Old Testament. The Jewish Kingdom was both a spiritual and temporal Kingdom with a priestly heresiarch; the Jews were to be governed by their priests.
True. But therein lies the difference.
Neither the Levitical priests nor even the High Priests could enter behind the Veil. Yet we who are baptized into Christ, even the lowliest of us, exist within the Veil. We are sons in the Son.
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Christ didn't overturn this Kingdom by creating a new one;
Agreed. He went into Hell and released the sons of Abraham to bring them into the land which was promised them so long ago. His Kingdom in Heaven.
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in fact He couldn't because His ministry was the fulfillment of the Old Covenant,
Agreed.
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which included the Messianic Kingdom along with the prophecies for a new King.
Because He is the Messiah and the King of Kings.
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To overthrow this Kingdom would have been to over throw himself – which of course is nonsense.
Agreed.
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However what Christ was to do was to turn over the 'Key' of the Kingdom to a new tenant, what is today and the gentile Kingdom we call the Roman Catholic Church.
I'm Catholic, so no argument. Well, except that:
1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
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Which is the reason that in Matthew, we hear Christ say, “I say to you [the Pharisees] that the kingdom of God shall be taken from you and shall be given to a nation yielding the fruits thereof.” This too is a pronouncement of on Mt. Sinai. Its here we see Christ conquering the world in the Messianic vision of David; but instead of “nation building” it is “Kingdom” building.
I don't see much difference in "nation" or "kingdom". Christ's nation is a Kingdom.
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Your opinion is valued, so how does this fit with your understanding of Scripture.
JoeT
I'd say we agree overall. Except that bit about dismissing Moses' Kingdom I didn't understand at the beginning.
