Tj3,
I thought that YOU had faith as God asks.
I do.
I thot that you believed that faith saves.
That's one of the thinngs that God asks us to do.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

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Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck

You can not be a Christian and make up ideas not in the bible.

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Respectfully can I ask why some Christian's of different denominations think the same scripture passage means different things. If both can't agree then one is making it up, and the other is the truth. Who decides what is true in the bible even amongst Christian's? If those Christian's opposing the majority view (does the majority determine truth?) are making it up, why can't non-"Christian's" have views on the interpretation of the bible which would seem to qualify as truthful interpretation since Christian's who differ claim that their interpretation is the truth?

The New Testament even says first to the Jew and then the gentile. The gentile is grafted in.
I believe that it means that the Jew is still favored by God. The Bible also teaches to love the Jewish people and you will be favored by God.

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Originally Posted by arcura

Tj3,
I thought that YOU had faith as God asks.
I do.
I thot that you believed that faith saves.
That's one of the thinngs that God asks us to do.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

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Fred,

My faith is in Jesus Christ. My faith is not in my works.

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Originally Posted by Tj3

Love does not save you - the blood of Jesus sacrificed on the cross is the only way to be saved.

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This is true! Now I pose this; can you keep the First Commandment without being saved?
In other words, is it possible for you or me to love as God requires without the help of His Holy Spirit within us? I think not.

Tj3,
That is what I thought you believed but your former post said otherwise.
Fred

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Originally Posted by arcura

Tj3,
That is what I thought you believed but your former post said otherwise.
Fred

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Fred, let's be honest. Quote what I said.

I think Mag took a lot of heat because of things not well understood. In centuries past there have been tribes that adopted Judaism as their "official" religion and therfore became "Jews". They are not related by blood to Abraham, but are still known as Jews. I doubt there is hatred in this, but only a recognition of historical facts.
God does indeed have a plan for National Israel, but that nation will suffer terribly in the coming Tribulation and will be decimated before Jesus actually returns. The standard for salvation is the same for Jews and non-Jews alike. Faith in the completed work of Jesus Christ.

The scriptures in the OP are Millennial prophecies.

Tj3,
I am honest.
Don't try to say that I ma not.
You said. "No one has ever done what he asks except for Jesus Himself."
That was in response to my saying that we should do as He asks.
He asks us to do many thing and one of them is to have faith.
Your statement appeared to say that Only Jesus had faith and did as God asks.
I hope that clarifies it for you.
Fred

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Originally Posted by arcura

Tj3,
I am honest.
Don't try to say that I ma not.
You said. "No one has ever done what he asks except for Jesus Himself."

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That comes straight from the Bible.

Read Romans 3:23.

Rom 3:22-23
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
NKJV

I should add, that you referred to this in the context of salvation - that we must do what He asks to be saved, and yet scripture says that we cannot please God in the flesh, which all men are until saved:

Rom 8:8
8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
NKJV

Again, please deal honestly with what others say.

Tj3,
I have always deal honestly with you and others.
With all due respect I suggest that you take your own advice.
Peace and kindness,'Fred

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Originally Posted by arcura

Tj3,
I have always deal honestly with you and others.
With all due respect I suggest that you take your own advice.
Peace and kindness,'Fred

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Fred, I just proved otherwise. Protestations are not convincing unless backed up by behaviour. Your response would have come off better if you had simply said that you mis-understood, or apologized for your error.

Now, let's get back to the topic, shall we?

Tj3,
There was nothing for me to apologize for.
Obviously you di not understand what I was saying.
I will not go on with this any farther until you do finally understand.
Fred'

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Originally Posted by arcura

Tj3,
There was nothing for me to apologize for.
Obviously you di not understand what I was saying.
I will not go on with this any farther until you do finally understand.
Fred'

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Perhaps you haven't noticed that others did not understand your comments either, because you falsely claimed that I said something that I did not say.

Fred, it does not lessen you as a person to admit that you mis-spoke - if anything it speaks well of a person's character.

In any case, I am glad to hear that you won't go on. I am on here to discuss the topic.

Tj3,
You said it and I quoted what YOU said.
Like I said I will carry this no farther.
So you might as well drop it or gave the last word whatever it might be.
Fred

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Originally Posted by N0help4u

The New Testament even says first to the Jew and then the gentile. The gentile is grafted in.
I believe that it means that the Jew is still favored by God. The Bible also teaches to love the Jewish people and you will be favored by God.

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Quite right.

Jer 31:35-37
35 Thus says the LORD,
Who gives the sun for a light by day,
The ordinances of the moon and the stars for a light by night,
Who disturbs the sea,
And its waves roar
(The LORD of hosts is His name):

36 "If those ordinances depart
From before Me, says the LORD,
Then the seed of Israel shall also cease
From being a nation before Me forever."

37 Thus says the LORD:

"If heaven above can be measured,
And the foundations of the earth searched out beneath,
I will also cast off all the seed of Israel
For all that they have done, says the LORD.
NKJV

I do not understand how anyone can deny the faithfulness of God towards Israel and the Jews. I think that God makes it clear from this and other passages that He has not and will not reject Israel.

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Originally Posted by arcura

Tj3,
You said it and I quoted what YOU said.
Like I said I will carry this no farther.
So you might as well drop it or gave the last word whatever it might be.
Fred

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Fred,

Give it up. You did not quote me - you claimed that I said something that I did not, and then when you did post a quote, it did not say what you claimed. You are just making it look worse the more you repeat your false accusations. If you are not willing to just admit a mistake, then just drop it, and stop making false accusations.

So much for your statement that you would not carry on.

I have heard that the question of just who is or is not a Jew is often debated in Israel, so I guess it is acceptable for us to consider it.

To illustrate: A day or so ago I saw a black man (not just brown skinned) make the statement that he is a Hebrew. Now I seriously doubt that the descendants of Abraham are not subject to the laws of genetics, so I must assume that what this man means is that he is an adherent of Judaism, and is a Jew by religion.

So there are Jews who are not of Abraham and therefore have no right to claim rights to the Abrahamic covenant, unless they claim to be brought in as proselytes.

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Originally Posted by Galveston1

I have heard that the question of just who is or is not a Jew is often debated in Israel, so I guess it is acceptable for us to consider it.

To illustrate: A day or so ago I saw a black man (not just brown skinned) make the statement that he is a Hebrew. Now I seriously doubt that the descendants of Abraham are not subject to the laws of genetics, so I must assume that what this man means is that he is an adherent of Judaism, and is a Jew by religion.

So there are Jews who are not of Abraham and therefore have no right to claim rights to the Abrahamic covenant, unless they claim to be brought in as proselytes.

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That is not a valid assumption. Don't forget the blacks Jews of Ethiopia. Also just this past year, a community of Jews was discovered in India and recognized by Israel as qualifying for residency as Jews in Israel. So throughout history, there may have been mixing of races, but just because they have mixed race does not make them any less Jewish. Keep in mind that Jesus had gentile blood in His ancestry also.

Galveston1,
There are Jews in several races, even in Jesus time,
Jesus himself was of mixed blood, check his ancestry.
Peace and kindness,
Fred