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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Then you will certainly be happy when Barack Obama becomes president.

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Not a chance, Obama wants to spead the wealth around. Well I know like most Americans know, we work hard to make the money we make. We work hard to give our children all that we never had...And none of it was free to us, there is nothing free in life.. Someone has to pay! We need to go forward not back, not learning from the past is a mistake. STOP blaming and pointing the finger, WE THE PEOPLE have seen that we now reap what was sow in credit debt...

Our military fights for our rights to freedom, so we can grow and live here in the US. We The People Stand... United under God to fight evil who looks to destroy the innocent world wide. I for one do not want to give up that Standing, and pray that God will strength us, and forgive the bad choices we have made.
Same sex marriages and abortion are not the Will of God. Should these things continue then the wrath of God will be on those who did not treasure in God fear. Those that have an ear let them hear...

Isa 33:6 And wisdom and knowledge shall be the stability of thy times, and strength of salvation: the fear of the LORD is his treasure.

Deu 30:1 And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee,

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Originally Posted by sndbay

Not a chance, Obama wants to spead the wealth around.

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You totally misunderstand what that means. Check back in a year and let me know what you think has happened with your money.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

You totally misunderstand what that means. Check back in a year and let me know what you think has happened with your money.

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It doesn't matter, the end of times is near, or so I'm told on this site.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

You totally misunderstand what that means. Check back in a year and let me know what you think has happened with your money.

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The more money someone makes the more taxes they will pay.." Obama said like me" He, himself is willing to pay more taxes so that the non-working and lower paid can keep their money. Those people will receive a tax break = money back.

Who do you suppose will pay for that tax cut that is given in speading the wealth. It will come from those who make more money and work harder. Those that even work two jobs to make ends meet.. or both spouse incomes.

Those that have nothing in life will have more, and those who have more will have less..

Of course I believe we should spend less to help ourselves out of credit card debt, but the facts are still the same with Obama's plan. If we work hard to pay are debts off we will also be working to pay for that tax cut needed to fork over money for those not working or lesser paid. So it becomes less important to be paid more then your co-workers because if they receive a tax cut and you don't..someone has to fork the money over for them to get money back in tax cut.. Spead the wealth is an idea that makes everyone becomes more able on a standard level .. humm what countries do this ?

Those just starting out in life have an advantage, or those in school. We will all help them get to where they are going. but we will either have to work harder again, or stop living as we are, and spend less because we certain won't be able to pay our own debts. We become more standard level...

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Originally Posted by sndbay

Who do you suppose will pay for that tax cut that is given in speading the wealth. It will come from those who make more money and work harder. Those that even work two jobs to make ends meet.. or both spouse incomes.

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Those who work two jobs make more than $250,000 a year? I have next-door neighbor spouses who work three jobs each and don't make that much.

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Originally Posted by sndbay

The more money someone makes the more taxes they will pay

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This is how it is now, and has been for a long time.

Cyprine,
You are more advance than your years.
Remember that Winston Churchill accurately said, "If a young person is not a liberal he has no heart. If an old person is not a conservative he has no brains."
I see that you have brains.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

This quotation is frequently but mistakenly attributed to Churchill.
It is anyway unlikely that Churchill would subscribe to this
Philosophy: He was a swashbuckling soldier at 20, and a Conservative
Member of Parliament at 25. A couple of years later he switched to the
Liberal Party (which was not liberal in the modern sense), and later
Went back to the Conservatives.

The phrase originated with Francois Guisot (1787-1874): "Not to be a
republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is
proof of want of head." It was revived by French Premier Georges
Clemenceau (1841-1929): "Not to be a socialist at twenty is proof of
want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head."

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Originally Posted by Cyprine

Actually, Bush raised red flags starting in April 2001. Warnings escalated thereafter. He (or his admin) did propose legislation to regulate this program, but the ALL the democrats voted against it.

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Hello again, C:

Even if what you say is true, the Republicans had control of ALL THREE branches of government, and could have passed those kind of rules if THEY, and ONLY they, wanted to... They didn't NEED the Democrats. They couldn't stop 'em.

But, their Wall Street buddies were making bundles of dough, so they didn't.

excon

Republican does not necessarily equal conservative.

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Originally Posted by jjwoodhull

This is how it is now, and has been for a long time.

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Are you middle class America?

The middle class are not getting additional deduction, and their earnings will be high enough to pay more taxes yet no additional deduction to help their style of life. Middle class Americans hold the largest among of debt shown in our country, living over their head by credit , and mortgage payments higher because of the rise in the housing market over the last few years. 401K doesn't look as good because of the market, and retirement falls back further and further because of the economy that has been caused by WE THE PEOPLE.. We work more and more hours to meet heating expense, travel cost, and medical coverage, not to forget regular utility cost. Then we have those activities for the child's, and our accasional trip or vacation, along with holiday expenses. How do you save and plan for retirement, and should we give up on what we have save for ourselves and our children, because someone has their hand out. The struggle was worth our effect..
Tell me, if we can achieve what we have, why is it that today someone has to give benefits that were not here before.. It was always good to learn how hard work brought the value of life to whatever we hoped. And with God blessing everything grows.

I am registered Republican but when I read the definition of conservative it doesn't seem to be me. But I AM for small government, the competition and innovation of the capitalist system, and most traditional values.

If I was 15 again, with my mentality (naive) back then, I easily see myself supporting Obama. On the "heart" level all that sounds nice, but it will not work. Add on top of that all his "red flags."

I also used to think I could befriend anyone, no matter how crazy, outcast, or dangerous and it would be all good. I also used to think you could change people. I used to think gang members were just "misunderstood."

But, lo and behold I have changed. To me, the ultra-liberals lack character and common-sense. Yes there must be bad Republicans like there is bad anywhere (even in the Catholic church priests). What can I say...

arcura,

I guess I'm an old person by now! http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/a...shamed0004.gif

By the way, I admire Churchill, I think his ideas apply to today too. Lets not play appeasement, we all saw how wrong that went.

Cyprine,
I agree.
I'm a moderate.
Peace and kindness,
Fred