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A person with full blown AIDS is now healthy and HIV negative. That sound like a miracle to me. Even the non religious doctors said it was a miracle. So you can down play it all you want but that is just your opinion on the matter. The fact still remains that we prayed for healing and he was healed completely. Amen!
Read this Metacrock's Blog: Why Dosn't God heal Stupidity?

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SassyT, I, for one of many, Do Believe that God healed your brother of this dreadful dis-ease! God Heals in ways that man knows not of but some un-Believers will argue till they're blue in the face to the contrary. Do not worry, they do not need to be convinced. God Heals and we KNOW that as a Fact! Those infidels are going through their trials right now (though they may not realize it as yet) only to find out, at a later time, that there IS a God after all, the ONE true God spoken about in the Holy Bible. It is literally their funeral if they don't repent before their time to leave this world. But let them be. They need to learn this lesson the hard way all for themselves due to their free will choice!

Here are some wonderful examples of how God has healed people of AIDS through prayer and their Belief!

Read about someone HEALED of AIDS through Prayer!
I Was Healed of AIDS | Worldview Interactive

Hospital gives proof he is AIDS free, including a chart! Prayer Indeed Works!
Flame Revival News Online: Jesus Heals David of HIV-AIDS Doctor's said, "This is a miracle" - Sex, Drugs & Rock Xposed...

More WONDERFUL examples of how Jesus Heals AIDS and other dreaded diseases!
Testimonies

Skygem, you never fail to unimpress me. Some of those links are made in Church, you know where all the wackjobs say praise jesus every minute or so. Those mean nothing
Let's examine why. First, I am sure sassy's brother had tons of meds, take away the meds and just pray then he would be in trouble. I guess Jesus needs help with meds now. In africa the death rate for AIDS is much higher, I wonder why. You are not interested in the truth unless it has Jesus attached to it. Read this Study: some AIDS patients recover their immune system | Science Buzz

Did you read my Hep c story the person thought she was cured and had gone into remmission but still has the Hep C virus in her body, which means it can come back and has it some cases. I don't think that would be a cure. The vatican studies these stories of miracles and all they came up with is 61 out billions of prayers, doesn't seem like very good odds. People want to believe so bad they fool themselves. Mother Terasa who was in a part of the world where there was misery, said for her prayers God answered in silence.
Let's not forget that God doesn't cure Amputees, Down's syndrome,etc
This list is long so I won't write it. The Christians claim many, many healings but when investigated usually a disappointment. If those cures you claim were real scientists find will out

Stop ignoring the truth Skygem, join us in the 21st century, the middle ages sucks

P S that why doesn't god heal stupidity page is absolutey correct. That is why metacrock is so stupid

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Stop ignoring the truth Skygem, join us in the 21st century, the middle ages sucks

P S that why doesn't god heal stupidity page is absolutey correct. That is why metacrock is so stupid

workerbee

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"But God hath revealed them unto us by His Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But We Have the Mind of Christ." -- 1 CORINTHIANS 2:10-16 (KJV)

I don't expect you to understand this, but if you did you would know why we Believe and know things as we do.

But you ignore what I have said. You may have read it but not really read it. I have vaild points and I think the difference between us is our personailities. I need to know things and some people feel comfortable believing in something greater than themselves. I go where the evidence leads me to. I believe God answers only the prayers for things that were going to happen anyway.

workerbee

They are real and are very active in the world today. Demons or evil spirits are opportunists and look for moments when a person is vulnerable to "attach" themselves to a person. From that point on they will vex (how demonic attack is described in the Bible). These "doorways" which allow these spirits to enter can occur at any time in a person's life, even early childhood (afterall when is a person more vulnerable than as a child).

That is a time when many fears enter... and "fear" is a spirit... the Bible says "God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of love and power and a sound mind." Fear especially destroys a sound mind, as evidenced by many different phobias.

To obtain freedom from demonic influence you're not going to find the answers here, where more people who have answered either don't believe in demons or are more interested in attacking those who do.

There are ministries that deal successfully with freeing people from demons, however, don't look for deliverance without making a decision to accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. It is only by His Name and by claiming the Blood, that one can be completely freed from demons.

For more information get the book: "Pigs in the Parlour" by Frank and Ida Mae Hammond.

You might want to visit this blog for more information: Overcome to Victory: What is Vexed?

That is very interesting but means nothing to any educated person. People who believe in that NONSENSE have very little education about th real world.Those people certainly do not have a college education Demons angels, do not exist except in a story book, period, Prayer does not work as I hope you have read ( I know you will ignore facts) Jesus might never have existed( there were many gods that did what jesus did before jesus ever did them suggesting they were stories) Yeah I am going to waste my time on a blog by some uneducated lunatic

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QUOTE=workerbee]So you don't have blind faith but I should have blind faith?

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Do you have a verse in the bible that one should have blind faith? There isn't one. The only reason I even say I have "faith" at all is because know one can know anything with certainty unless they possess absolute knowledge. Neither you nor I have it so what ever it is you believe in, big bang, aliens evolution etc.. It is by faith that you believe it. Even your belief that God does not exist is based on FAITH because you don't know that God does not exists.

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Come on sassy, You are saying that God is not a magician, I agree but he should be able to cure everything but he Can't I wonder why. That should tell an open-minded person something, not you of course Making excuses for your make-believe God?

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Jesus healed the sick, the blind and raised people from the dead. I do not remember any story in the bible where Jesus magically grows people limbs. Like I said before Jesus said "you shall lay hands of the sick and they shall recover" and that is exactly what happen with my brother. Now, had he said " you shall pray for an amputee and his leg will magically grow a limb" then maybe you would have a case but so far you are fighting a losing battle because no where in the Bible does Jesus promise magic tricks like growing limbs.

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We need more research to find out why people like your brother was helped but other prople aren't.

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You need not do any research, I have the answer for you right here. ;) Some people's prayers are not answered because of many reasons. Sin, lack of faith and some times what that person is pray for at that time may not be to their best interest at the time. God has for knowledge, He knows the begging from the end. There are people whom God did not answer their prayers and as a result something greater has come out of it. Sometimes people die and it just because it is their time to go. If they are christians they God to a better place.

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To insist that only God cured your brother and it can't be anything else, is incredibly ignorant of any other posibility( shocking) that's how scientist learn , by asking questions not jumping on the God bandwagon.

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No it is not ignorance it is a miracle from God.. lol like I said if you don't believe it and you have your own theory, that is fine but at the end of the day its your belief vs mine, you have no evidence to support your theory so I will treat is as such, a theory (an assumption or conjecture based on limited knowledge information)

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By the way does your brother still have the virus in his body? I am willing to bet he has.

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Lol... bet all you want, he is 100% HIV negative healthier than he ever was before. Now he is traveling the world with his wife and kids telling his testimony. He is actually in China right now. He shows slide shows of pictures of when he was sick and many get saved. Try telling him God didn't heal him, he would just laugh in your face.

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You should not show yourself to be so closed minded by dismissing what the Vatican has found they have scientists looking into prayer, not many miracles though, huh.. I think that proves me correct. Whose not using her brain now?

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I just showed you some double placebo scientific studies that were done on prayer that proves it works so you are the one who is not being open minded. Conveniently.

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When I read that worthless book I came away thinking that your God is a psychopath. I think you need a few weeks in ICU to see the pain and suffering and those people praying to a deaf God.

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You are talking to the wrong person because the God I know is not deaf. He has answered most of my prayer and the ones he didn't answer, now looking back, I am very glad He didn't.

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Read the letters of Mother Terasa, she had doubts about God for almost 50 years
In one letter she said something like When I pray I only get silence in return. Of course you know more than her. Let me guess you don't like her either.

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I think you mistaking me for someone who cares about Catholicism. All the people you are quoting are not credible sources as far as I am concerned because the Catholic practices and doctrine are very questionable and are not accepted by many Christians. I couldn't care less what mother Teresa, the Vatican, Pope or who ever had to say about anything. I am not part of the Catholic religion. I don't believe in it. If Mother Teresa Had doubts about God, good for her, likewise Darwin wrote a tone of letters about the doubts he had about his hoax of a theory and yet evolutionist scientist are still worship at the feet of Darwinism. Big deal.

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Try praying to Zeus you might get better results

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I don't need to because what God is doing in my is just fine, I have no complaints. Since you are the one who is not satisfied with God, then you should be should follow your own advice and get your results from Zeus.

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How sad for you to be so afraid of God that you have to try to scare people into believing in him LOL If you convert enough people do you get a set of steak knives?

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God is the one who is concerned about your life in iternity. I frankly and unfortunately couldn't care less whether you or anyone convertes or not. As long as my family is saved, that's all I really care about and they are so I am scott free. Jesus has comanded us to go and spread the Gospel but if people reject it, its not us Christians who will suffer believe me.. its those who reject their creator. So don't think by accepting or rejecting the gospel you are doing anyone a favor. It makes no difference to my salvation whether you accept or reject God. ;)

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...because no where in the Bible does Jesus promise magic tricks like growing limbs. .

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Water into wine? Multiplying loaves of bread? More: Miracles of Jesus

I guess growing limbs is out of his realm.

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sassyT, I, for one of many, Do Believe that God healed your brother of this dreadful dis-ease! God Heals in ways that man knows not of but some un-Believers will argue till they're blue in the face to the contrary. Do not worry, they do not need to be convinced. God Heals and we KNOW that as a Fact! Those infidels are going through their trials right now (though they may not realize it as yet) only to find out, at a later time, that there IS a God afterall, the ONE true God spoken about in the Holy Bible. It is literally their funeral if they don't repent before their time to leave this world. But let them be. They need to learn this lesson the hard way all for themselves due to their free will choice!

Here are some wonderful examples of how God has healed people of AIDS through prayer and their Belief!

Read about someone HEALED of AIDS through Prayer!
I Was Healed of AIDS | Worldview Interactive

Hospital gives proof he is AIDS free, including a chart! Prayer Indeed Works!!
Flame Revival News Online: Jesus Heals David of HIV-AIDS Doctor's said, "This is a miracle" - Sex, Drugs & Rock Xposed...

More WONDERFUL examples of how Jesus Heals AIDS and other dreaded diseases!
Testimonies

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You are Right Skygem! These people don't know what they are missing. God is alive and well AMEN

So Sassy jesus never grew a limb because no one asked him. Or maybe he could not.
Let's get back to your brother. Did your brother ever use meds? I'll bet he did. In cases with aggressive therapy immune systems are restored( read the link I posted on this page.
If he did use meds then that is why he is better. Does he have no virus in his body you said it in a strange way Does he use meds now? I bet he does to keep it under control
If he never used meds and has no hiv in body and does not use meds now. Well then this would be a great case for investigation. If he did use meds it is obvious that is what helped him (read the link) but you want to give credit to God, I wonder why? LOL since you always write that I will. When God can heal amuptees , down's syndrome, severed spinal cords, consistently without medical interventiuon like your brother had then I will believe not before give me an answer Sassy

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So Sassy jesus never grew a limb because no one asked him. Or maybe he could not.

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The bottom line is Jesus did not ever grow limbs so what makes you think that man's prayers should be able to do it? Like I said before you are fighting a losing battle. You have no case here because Jesus promised we would be able to pray for the sick and they will recover and that happens every day all over the world. He never promised we would grow limbs through prayer.

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Let's get back to your brother. Did your brother ever use meds? I'll bet he did. In cases with aggressive therapy immune systems are restored( read the link I posted on this page.
If he did use meds then that is why he is better. Does he have no virus in his body you said it in a strange way Does he use meds now? I bet he does to keep it under control
If he never used meds and has no hiv in body and does not use meds now. Well then this would be a great case for investigation.

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You don't get it do you? My brother had been left for dead by the doctors, they told us that there was nothing more they could do for him. They had taken him off the meds months ago. None of his systems were working. He was wearing diapers and he had not put anything in his mouth for 5months he was being fed through a drip. He was just skin and bones and although he was conscious he was too week to even utter a word. Today like I have said a million times, my brother is hiv negative so he does not take med niether does he need to take meds. He has regained all his weight, it is like he had never been sick. God healed him so that he could use his testimony to win souls over to Christ and he is doing just that.

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If he did use meds it is obvious that is what helped him (read the link) but you want to give credit to God, I wonder why?

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I give credit to God because the doctor could do nothing for him, only God's divine healing could have removed that kind of sickness.

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LOL since you always write that I will. When God can heal amuptees , down's syndrome, severed spinal cords, consistently without medical interventiuon like your brother had then I will believe not before give me an answer Sassy

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Like I said before. I don't care whether you believe or not, it makes no diffference to my life, I just think you should be reasonable enough to acknowledge that you do not possess absolute knowledge, therefore you are not in a position to claim you know with certainty that God does not exist. If you claim God does not exist, that is just your opinion (based on your beliefs/faith) NOT a fact.

Like I said before sassy I am glad your brother is okay. I knew someone years ago who had contracted AIDS He lived a few houses down from me. In a short while he was bed ridden, and as you would expect depressed as hell, near the end he lost his eyesight. We only found out what he died of because they said it at the funeral. Back then everyone was scared of that word so they kept it quiet.

Just because the doctors gave up on him, well they are not always right are they, so who knows if the meds helped. You can say that I have faith that God does not exist and you would be correct, but with that thinking you can say that meds helped your brother or that Zeus helped him. That is not proof of God. If God were real he would cure those conditons I keep mentioning and not once every blue moon, he is God after all. You say he is not a magician that sounds like an admission that I am correct or at the very least he is limited in his power. I am not sure if you read a few pages about the girl with Hep C another bad virus, she was using meds too and it goes into remmission sometimes and I read some hep C can come out of remmission. We do not know enough about the human body but if it was God he would not be limited by anything

The vatican uses a scientist who is also a priest from Brooklyn no less. Thereason I was asking about the meds was not to bother you but to learn more, if your brother had not used meds ( those are some of the conditions as I remember) and was cured it would be a case they could study and he would be miracle 62, but of course you can understand that they cannot ignore using meds no matter how bad the situation was.

Finally, Let's say for argument God cured your brother, there would have to be a reason
That certain conditions are NEVER cured. It is a vaild question

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Like I said before sassy I am glad your brother is okay. I knew someone years ago who had contracted AIDS He lived a few houses down from me. In a short while he was bed ridden, and as you would expect depressed as hell, near the end he lost his eyesight. We only found out what he died of because they said it at the funeral. Back then everyone was scared of that word so they kept it quiet.

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Just because the doctors gave up on him, well they are not always right are they, so who knows if the meds helped.

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I think if it was the meds that Cured him it would be headline News all over the world and it would be announced that the cure for Aids had been found. If the meds had cured him the doctors would have known. They were astonished and could not find any scientific reason for his recovery, doctors said and I quote "miracle".

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You can say that I have faith that God does not exist and you would be correct, but with that thinking you can say that meds helped your brother or that Zeus helped him. That is not proof of God.

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IIn my opinion it proves proves a lot. It is very strong evidence that God answers prayers. So the evidence is there. Whether you consider the evidence is sufficient to prove prayer works or not, is a purely subjective opinion on your part.

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if God were real he would cure those conditons I keep mentioning and not once every blue moon, he is God after all.

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There is nothing factual about this statement. Pure speculation.

This what you sound like... "If God existed, God would Give everyone a Mercedes Benze on Christmas morning and we would all find a it parked in the drive ways... ... untill i see a Benze in my drive way on Christmas morning, i am not going to believe God exists"
Do you see what is wrong with your logic? It is based on assumptions and speculation on what God should be to make Him God. Who are you to create the criteria? No where in the bible does God promise he will give us all Mercedes benzes, just like no where in his word does He say He will grow limbs.

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You say he is not a magician that sounds like an admission that I am correct or at the very least he is limited in his power.

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God is not limited but he can only act on man's faith when it comes to prayer. Man does not possess enough faith to pray a limb into being. But if God I was a magician who performed tricks from heaven, then maybe he would do some hocus pocus and lightening would stike with smoke and baam! a limb would apear.

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I am not sure if you read a few pages about the girl with Hep C another bad virus, she was using meds too and it goes into remmission sometimes and I read some hep C can come out of remmission. We do not know enough about the human body but if it was God he would not be limited by anything

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Look, I want a Maserati for my birthday.. lol and if God wanted to, he could magically put one in my drive way. But like I have been saying God is not a magician with a wand waiting to make stuff appear and disappear and just because He will not make a Maserati appear in my driveway, does not mean I am going to stop believing he exists.

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The vatican uses a scientist who is also a priest from Brooklyn no less. Thereason I was asking about the meds was not to bother you but to learn more, if your brother had not used meds ( those are some of the conditions as I remember) and was cured it would be a case they could study and he would be miracle 62, but of course you can understand that they cannot ignore using meds no matter how bad the situation was.

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Look, I am not going to argue with you about my brother's healing, I have my beliefs (I was there I know what happened) and you have your theories that you believe in and that's fine, because niether of us can prove beyond a doubt who or what cured him. So we will leave it at a difference in opinion.

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finally, Let's say for argument God cured your brother, there would have to be a reason
That certain conditions are NEVER cured. It is a vaild question

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Like I said, there are certain things that God will not do (e.g make sports cars just apear in people's driveways) But that does not make a case for his "non existance".
Your reasoning that "because God did not do X, therefor he does not exist", is a very weak argument and proves nothing. So really, you are waisting your time and mine. If you want to continue this debate with me, you better do better than that and find a more viable argument against God.

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heres a question and i would like to get a christian (especially catholic) point of veiw on this.
what is your beleif about demons? do they exist and do they mess with us in a spiritua sense? can one really be posessed??
i have a friend who has a severe seizure disorder, and he is a devout christian. he is mentally sound and i trust him a lot. he claims that when he has a seizure, during the end of it in his hypnotic like state, he sees demons and angels as well. he says one demon in particular has a name he never heard before: "Abatu". he is terrified. he said the angels are almost as terrifying only in a different way. i have been there for some of his seizures and he is getting more scared with each one, scared of what he is seeing and scared of being alone in this. he says he trusts Jesus and asks me to start praying when he feels a seizure coming on, stating that this demon figure he sees hates the word of God and is deterred by it. he has warned me not to pursue this and not to research it, stating that it is very dangerous ground that i dont want to be poking around in. but of course, i am curious.
has anyone studies this subject, and what do you think of this??

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I believe I'm a devil I can smell blood and tell the type from the smell I can all so scence rain before it somes and water hurts me if it touches me so yes

I like your explantion on god's limitations so we don't have enough faith for a new limb but for we do for AIDS lol lol that was the dumbest thing I ever read. I guess I should take more faith pills so one day I will be able to cure acne or something. LOL
You misread me entirely and your car example is silly. All I am saying is God can't cure everything but he should able if he is God. If God cured your brother than that should be worldwide news as well but it wasn't, curious What a scientist does that you are incapable of is investiagate exactly happened,and learn not fall to ones knees saying God, God. That's how we get new meds, therapies, etc. That's also why we have so much Medical research because God does not seem to be doing his job very well. If your brother ever loses a body part then we will see where your faith is. You have to learn to look past your nose Sassy.

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I like your explantion on god's limitations so we don't have enough faith for a new limb but for we do for AIDS lol lol that was the dumbest thing I ever read.

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Of course I have more faith for someone to be healed of aids than to see a limb growing before my very eyes. That would be some freaky stuff right there.. lol but God could do it. Nothing is impossible for God. Amen

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I guess I should take more faith pills so one day I will be able to cure acne or something. LOL

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Faith cometh NOT by pills my friend. The Bible says in Romans 10:17 "Faith cometh by hearing and hearing, by the word of God" So if you want to have faith to heal acne start reading and hearing the word of God.

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You misread me entirely and your car example is silly. All I am saying is God can't cure everything but he should able if he is God.

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I read what you said and understood it loud and clear.. You are basically saying " God did not do X, therefore he does not exist"... that kind of logical Fallacy unfortunately does not prove anything for your case. In Fact your argument which, being demonstrably flawed in its logic and form, makes the your entire argument invalid.

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If God cured your brother than that should be worldwide news as well but it wasn't, curious

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Of course the secular world is not going to acknowledge the work of God. Do you really think scientist are going to make news of prayer healing a sick men? Just like you, they have made the "assumption of naturalism", which assumes that all phenomina has a natural explanation. FYI an assuption is not a fact. Doctors had zero evidence to prove a natural explanation for his recovery and yet they chose to believe that some natural process cured him. When asked what natural process healed him... they had no answer. Go figure :rolleyes:

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What a scientist does that you are incapable of is investiagate exactly happened,and learn not fall to ones knees saying God, God. That's how we get new meds, therapies, etc. That's also why we have so much Medical research because God does not seem to be doing his job very well.

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God heals those who ask for his help. Jesus said "you have not because you ask not" So yes medical research is necessary, especially for those who have no faith in God.

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If your brother ever loses a body part then we will see where your faith is. You have to learn to look past your nose Sassy.

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Unlike you, my Faith (or the lack there of) in God is not based broken limbs. My Faith in God is based on a much more profound and multidimentional foundation. I think you need to take your own advice and start thinking out side of the box. Be more open minded, explore the unlimitted possibilities this universe has to offer and stop just relying on human scientist who's knowledge is just as limited and narrow as yours. ;)

If faith comes from the Bible as I have read how come you don't have enough faith to grow a limb, hmmm, curious. By the way I used to ask your God for faith when I was a Christian, because I was brainwashed into that but you know something sassy, faith never came, I wonder why
actually I have the answer GOD is made up, period. I think your faith is based in ignorance and fear, you know where those lunatics try to scare you into believing in the everlasting fire of HELLLLLLLLLL you have siad as much to me. Stop being a hillbilly all of your life read other books you might find real enlightenment not the fake stuff you have now.


I read what you said and understood it loud and clear.. You are basically saying " God did not do X, therefore he does not exist" ...

I am not saying God did not do X I am saying he can't do it and it has never happened
Don't you get it, you can search the net for strange healings that happen to non-christians as well but never a new limb, because the body can't regenerate a limb which means God can't help ( your body does all the work) People who have kids with down's sydrome never are reversed. Those poor kids can't have a normal life. Why don't you pray for them. Maybe because in theback of your mind you know I'm right You are correct that would be freaky to see a limb grow but mankind will do it that I guarantee. Here is my prediction As medical technology grows, (because we can never rely on a fake God,) we will need God less and less, in a short time he'll be gone. Just like the tousands of Gods before him.

Just so you know sassy I don't care what you believe, I think it is healthy for some people to have an imaginary friend.
I don't need one though

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If faith comes from the Bible as I have read how come you don't have enough faith to grow a limb, hmmm, curious. By the way i used to ask your God for faith when i was a Christian, because I was brainwashed into that but you know something sassy, faith never came, I wonder why

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Aaaauh that explains it. Now the truth comes out. So you are one of those former Christians who are angry at God because he did not give you what you wanted. Okey... that makes sense.

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actually i have the answer GOD is made up, period.

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this is your Belief.. not a fact.

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I think your faith is based in ignorance and fear, you know where those lunatics try to scare you into believing in the everlasting fire of HELLLLLLLLLL you have siad as much to me. Stop being a hillbilly all of your life read other books you might find real enlightenment not the fake stuff you have now.

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Actually workerbee, i am very educated, i am have a degree in Biology and Chemistry and working on my Biology masters... I am also very exposed and well read, i have been to 12 different countries around the world and have studdied and read about many different cultures and religious beliefs. My faith is not Based on fear of going to hell. It is based on the evidence of God's love i have seen in my life and my family's. I know God exists, i talk to him everyday. Even if there was no heaven or hell, i would still worship my creator.

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I am not saying God did not do X i am saying he can't do it and it has never happened

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same fallacy of logic... "God can't do X therefore he does not exist"

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Don't you get it, you can search the net for strange healings that happen to non-christians as well but never a new limb, because the body can't regenerate a limb which means God can't help ( your body does all the work) People who have kids with down's sydrome never are reversed. Those poor kids can't have a normal life. Why don't you pray for them.

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LIke i said this is a logical fallacy, just because God did not or cannot (in your opinion) do X, does not mean he does not exist.

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Maybe because in theback of your mind you know I'm right You are correct that would be freaky to see a limb grow but mankind will do it that i guarantee. Here is my prediction As medical technology grows, (because we can never rely on a fake God,) we will need God less and less, in a short time he'll be gone. Just like the tousands of Gods before him.

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Keep the hope alive ;)

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Just so you know sassy i don't care what you believe, i think it is healthy for some people to have an imaginary friend.
I don't need one though

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Imaginary friend.. LOL :rolleyes:

Yes they are real. I cast out demons every Tuesday. And catholics don't anything about demons cause the holy water is just water that priest prey at. But demons are real.

I am a former Christian because I see God never works, I have never seen it. I am not angry just searching for the truth. I guess you have a degree in psychology as well Why would you have a degree in biology what is the point you can do so much more as a faith healer. I can see it now a bunch of frightened, ignorant people coming to see you for a healing.

SASSY: Praise the lorrrrrrrrrd!

THE CROWD: Praise Jesus, he is all knowing and loving

SASSY: I will cure this leper

Then leper comes forward. Sassy gets close does a few weird movements with her arms

LEPER: Prasie the lord

SASSY : you are heaaaaaaaled in the name of the lord, how do you feel

LEPER: I feel heaaaaaaaaled, praise jesus

Then walkng back to his seat the Leper's hand falls off. LOL

That'e the way I see it

Andy, your nuts period, but I am sure Sassy will you, she'll believe anything



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I am a former Christian because i see God never works, I have never seen it. i am not angry just searching for the truth. I guess you have a degree in psychology as well Why would you have a degree in biology what is the point you can do so much more as a faith healer. I can see it now a bunch of frightened, ignorant people coming to see you for a healing.

SASSY: Praise the lorrrrrrrrrd!

THE CROWD: Praise Jesus, he is all knowing and loving

SASSY: I will cure this leper

Then leper comes foward. sassy gets close does a few weird movements with her arms

LEPER: Prasie the lord

SASSY : you are heaaaaaaaled in the name of the lord, how do you feel

LEPER: I feel heaaaaaaaaled, praise jesus

then walkng back to his seat the Leper's hand falls off. LOL

that'e the way I see it

Andy, your nuts period, but i am sure Sassy will you, she'll believe anything



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Lol you just sound like a bitter ex Christian. Don't worry.. the feeling of anger and resentment will pass eventually and hopefuly you will return to God.

That last part was a joke Sassy, you christians have no sense of humor. As far as returning to God, well, why don't you pray for me sassy, It won't work other people have tried. You can go to Romans and ask for even more faith to do it. You are gullible, that's your main problem
Just so you know I enjoy my life much more now than when I was a Christian


P.S. based on your posts you sound angry and I might add hateful, so much for Christianity
Enriching your life.

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Workerbee,

Hee hee enjoyed your post. Problem is... you are wrong on so many levels. Number 1.. I have a GREAT sense of humor. You included me in your answer when you used the words "YOU CHRISTIANS". YOU may not like my sense of humor but none the less... I gotS one and yes, I am one of those Christians you speak of so "fondly"... lol

Number 2... read your post back... calling someone guilliable, point blank saying they have NO sense of humor is not what one might call "loving". I think it is kind of hateful but hey that is just me. Oh and reading all your post I can see how "enriched" your life is... tee hee. ( more of my "sense of humor") ;)

Number 3- no such thing as a EX Christian... your choices are... A. never saved and ticked off at the Lord... or B. saved and ticked off at the Lord. Bummer either way.

Thanks for your advice, people like you closed minded Christians cause wars because you are inflexable with you thinking. No such thing as an exChristian, there is an example of close-mindedness and yes you are gullible, if you believe in angels or demons. Those are for people whose minds are in the dark ages. Just so you know I read this which you have to ignore 41% of people that go to high school believe the bible as the word of god and only 2 % of people that graduate college believe in the bible as the word of god. That should tell you ignorance and religion go hand in hand

workerbee

Workee,

I didn't give you any advise... just the facts... hee hee.

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Workee,

i didn't give you any advise...just the facts...hee hee.

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I think that's part of the problem: you think you're right and every one else with a different opinion is wrong.

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Well dog on it... someones got to be wrong and well it just ain't me! :) My facts aren't opinions either... and I wasn't aware there was a "problem".

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QUOTE=workerbee]That last part was a joke Sassy, you christians have no sense of humor. As far as returning to God, well, why don't you pray for me sassy, It won't work other people have tried. You can go to Romans and ask for even more faith to do it. You are gullible, that's your main problem
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Thanks for your advice, people like you closed minded Christians cause wars because you are inflexable with you thinking. No such thing as an exChristian, there is an example of close-mindedness and yes you are gullible, if you believe in angels or demons. Those are for people whose minds are in the dark ages. Just so you know i read this which you have to ignore 41% of people that go to high school believe the bible as the word of god and only 2 % of people that graduate college believe in the bible as the word of god. that should tell you ignorance and religion go hand in hand

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I find this really ironic but I think workerbee YOU are the one who has displayed a dark ages, closed minded kind of intolerence, Hate speech and name calling of other people and their beliefs.. After all, you are the one who is on a religious forum harassing people about their beliefs and trying to convince us to believe in your beliefs. You claim you are not religious and yet you spend at least half of your life on a religious forum harassing believers and making bigoted intollerent remarks about people.
If you don't Believe in God, good for you.. but don't come here to undermine other's beliefs in a effort to propagate and promote your own. Keep your beliefs to yourself and we will keep to ours, I don't think any Christians or other believers here are interested in converting to your athiestic faith so please.. we heard what you believe, thank you very much for sharing, but we would like to continue with our Christian discussions in peace with out having someone trying to shove their athiestic beliefs down our throats.
Three words of advice please "get a life"

If I called any names you would know it. I wasn't trying to harass anyone just trying to let some of you know there aren't any demons. I am trying to let people know it is okay to question God, pretty much worthless if I was on a Atheist forum, they already agree. I came here to help even though you refuse to believe it. If you believe in God good for you. As far as get a life, you should take that advice. You are always replying
P S I am here to stay so I can help and if you don't like what I write or don't believe in what I write , don't reply. Some Christains might enjoy a different point of view

workerbee

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If I called any names you would know it. I wasn't trying to harass anyone just trying to let some of you know there aren't any demons.

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Those are YOUR BELIEFS, NOT facts. And like said thanks for sharing your beliefs with us but don't come on a christian forum and harrass us, calling us names and I QUOTE "close minded" "gullible" "minds from the dark ages" "ignorant" "Uneducated"

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I am trying to let people know it is okay to question God, pretty much worthless if I was on a Atheist forum, they already agree. I came here to help even though you refuse to believe it.

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You are not here to genuinely share your beliefs and have a civil discussion. You are just here to say "im right and You are wrong" "I am intelligent and you are stupid" that is what you are here for. So don't pretend like you are here in good faith. We already have you figured out. If you read the question of this forum the person specifically said they wanted to hear a Christian point of view. If she wanted an athiest's opinion she would have posted the question on the atheist forum. You are not helping anyone here, if you want to help anyone help yourself and find a better way to spend your free time than harassing believers on religious forums and trying to shove your beliefs down people's throats.


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If you believe in God good for you. As far as get a life, you should take that advice. You are always replying

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At least I am not a so called athiests who spends half his life on religious forums :rolleyes:

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P S I am here to stay so I can help and if you don't like what I write or don't believe in what I write , don't reply. Some Christains might enjoy a different point of view
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I don't think any christians here are enjoying your bigoted hate speech. Its time you take your bigotry else where because it is not going to be tolerated here much longer. Read the Terms of this site. Such hateful language is not tolerated on this site. If you make anymore demeaning hateful remarks, I am going to report you to the site's administrator.

Ahhhh now Sassy, don't get your panties in a wad! Workee is here to enlighten us. He or she is living an enriched life without GOD and is here to share "wisdom" and "truth" without opening up the Bible... (course human beings haven't had an original thought EVER but hey open up your MIND but just make sure nothing Leaks out) hee hee.

Seriously Sas, don't let it get to you. It sooo isn't worth it. :)

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Ahhhh now Sassy, don't get your panties in a wad! Workee is here to enlighten us. He or she is living an enriched life without GOD and is here to share "wisdom" and "truth" without opening up the Bible....(course human beings haven't had an original thought EVER but hey open up your MIND but just make sure nothing Leaks out) hee hee.

Seriously Sas, don't let it get to you. it sooo isn't worth it. :)

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Hi Classy,

I appreciate people's opinions and having civil debates, but when someone starts making rude, uncivil and hateful comments about people, I find that pittyful and feel the need to remind workerbee of the rules of this site. Bigotry is not tolerated.

I believe you called me ignorant as well and now stupid but you are inocent right, things like gullible are not names the are descriptions, a name is calling someone stupid which you did. You don't know what I am thinking, I am not geniune huh, I can come off as a hard but I am geniune I what I said. Sassy what an ego you have to think you know me I think you might be guilty of the sin of vanity Tsk tsk. You replied again. Shouldn't you be studying? (anotherjoke) You keep saying my beiliefs are just beliefs not fact and you are correct just like your beliefs are not fact. You don't speak for all Christians Because I am a big person I will say this I AM SORRY IF I HURT YOUR FEELINGS THAT WAS NOT MY INTENTION we cool again?


workerbee

Workee,

stupid is an adjective too... not a name. You put Sassy down, tell her she has an ego, judge her with the sin of vanity and THEN apologize.. yep you ARE the bigger person!! Hee hee. ( another one of my jokes) I'm curious what are your intentions?

No intentions, does the word paranoid mean anything to you? You know what I'd better admit it I want to TAKE OVER THE WORLD When saying ignorant is just describing a person much more than saying stupid both are adjectives but one is used more in calling names. Being open-minded like you classy I am sure you won't agree. Since you asked made a sarcastic remark about me educating Christians look at this link if you have time read it carefully, there are a few films and books on this subject
astrotheology and the truth about the jesus christ as found in the new testament

workerbee

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I believe you called me ignorant as well and now stupid but you are inocent right, things like gullible are not names the are descriptions, a name is calling someone stupid which you did. You don't know what I am thinking, I am not geniune huh, I can come off as a hard but I am geniune I what I said. Sassy what an ego you have to think you know me I think you might be guilty of the sin of vanity Tsk tsk. You replied again. Shouldn't you be studying? (anotherjoke) You keep saying my beiliefs are just beliefs not fact and you are correct just like your beliefs are not fact. You don't speak for all Christians Because I am a big person I will say this I AM SORRY IF I HURT YOUR FEELINGS THAT WAS NOT MY INTENTION we cool again?


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I did not call you stupid, if you re-read my post you will see that I was trying to point out how your attitude is coming across so I was saying that you are the one who thinks we are stupid and you are intelligent.

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SASSY You are just here to say "im right and You are wrong" "I am intelligent and you are stupid" that is what you are here for.

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I reread it and you did not call me stupid. At least read that link it will help you to understand one reason I think the way I do. That webpage I have not seen before but what it says is well known and is just a fraction of the sun Gods they talk about

workerbee

Hello SassyT,

Just thought you might like to visit the following websites that are germane to some of the continuing conversations here. It shows that many medical doctors also actively believe in spiritual healing through Jesus which should not come as a great surprise to many.

Christian Doctors Prescribe 'Spiritual Healing' for Sickness

WCDN

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Skygem you are correct that this thread took a 180 degree turn. Now let me answer you question. First off I am not making this up. Read below
However, apart from the matter of the number of people is an even more significant issue. The problem is that the biblical account never refers to the Red Sea by name. In fact, nowhere in the entire Old Testament Hebrew text is the body of water associated with the exodus ever called the "Red Sea." Instead in the Hebrew text the reference is to the yam suph. The word yam in Hebrew is the ordinary word for "sea," although in Hebrew it is used for any large body of water whether fresh or salt.
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You are mistaken and easily proven with the scripture JKV Exodus 14:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, that they turn and encamp before Pihahiroth, between Migdol and the sea, over against Baalzephon: before it shall ye encamp by the sea.


a fortified city on the Egyptian border. . Migdol = Hebrew מגדול ( H4024 Strong Concordance ) Transliteration.. = Migdowl

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a) Mediterranean Sea b) Red Sea c) Dead Sea d) Sea of Galilee e) sea (general) f) mighty river (Nile) g) the sea (the great basin in the temple court) h) seaward, west, westward.. . sea: Hebrew ים ( H3220 Strong Concordance ) Transliteration = yam

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a place in Egypt near the Red Sea where Pharaoh and his army were destroyed during the Exodus
Baalzephon = Hebrew בעל צפון ( H1189 Strong Concordance ) Transliteration = Ba`al Tsĕphown


Not the topic workerbee, and I can not accept false teaching!

Note Fact: The KJV of the Bible is protected by the number system in translation referance with the Strong Concordance. This locks all words and letters in place. The Text itself has been fixed before the Massorites were put in charge of it. This has been the work of the Sopherim. Their word, under Ezra and Nehemiah, was to set the Text in order after the return from Babylon.. Noted in Nehemiah 8:8 cp Ezra 7: 6-11 ( Sopherim are the authorised revisers of the Sacred Text. The Massorah is known as the fence to the Scriptures.

Topic demons: yes there are, and power over all has been given in the Name of Jesus to those that believe. I would suggest, when known that the severe seizure is coming on, that the person pray asking that body mind and soul be in the hands of the Lord.. Ask that He will send His holy angels to protect you from evil demons. IN JESUS NAME.. When you believe in Christ and His worthyness, your prayer is answered..