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You [we] have got to respect the right of people to be wrong and not create a big dissension over the differences.
Opps, Wrong thread. Maybe it applies here too?
Sorry. Carry on
P.S.Interesting, I'd like to know more?Quote:
Yes, the Creator made them male and female but that apple-eating episode queered the deal.
I Had planned on doing a study that involved: The Apple (food aspect) being the Catalyst of sin (so to speak).
Remember- God didn't curse man.
If I may?
If I remember Correctly: Adam Did have Authority over Eve. (I'm not Sure if he knew it or not). Adam Declared his Authoritative position when He named Eve (just as he had done with the Animals), By naming her Eve, he recognized his Authority. If I'm not mistaken he named his Wife (Eve) after Sin had already entered into the World?
Sorry, Not sure where you were going with this binary thing, along with the "eating of the Apple."
I understand having to *Accept LGBQT Community. Jesus didn't hate anybody as far as I know?
There might be a problem when a country "Promotes" such business?
*Accept it sure, but why Promote it?
***(Acknowledge Sin. Be it- as in my life- as in yours)
You and Athos are in the same boat. You can believe what Jesus said or not. You have rather clearly decided not to. Why? Because it does not agree with your political philosophy. If you are going about, as I'm sure you are, telling homosexuals that their lifestyle is just fine with God on the basis of a silly reading of Genesis 3, and in complete denial of what Jesus said, and not to mention Paul's reference to the same passage in Eph. 5, then I fear for you.Quote:
Yes, the Creator made them male and female but that apple-eating episode queered the deal. Now the human, animal, and even plant world are no longer only binary.
LOL. It never fails.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Laugh if you want. If Jesus is to be believed, then the day is approaching when laughing will not be an option.
Gen. 3:20: And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
It was mentioned after the first sin, but it seems to read like a "by the way".
And you've studied bible hermeneutics???Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I have, and certainly in sufficient manner to know that you do not follow those principles. You would be well advised to do so.Quote:
And you've studied bible hermeneutics???
I'm not a literalist.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Are you righthanded or lefthanded?
Of course you are. Everyone is a literalist. You can't live without being a literalist. When you order a hamburger, you expect to get...a hamburger.
Incidentally, I have never, nor shall I ever, bash "Bibles on people's heads." On the other hand, I will not intentionally misrepresent the clear teaching of the Bible simply to preserve a person's temporary happiness. Much better to accept the joy that comes from serving Jesus than to walk in temporary pleasure.
No, I'm not. Neither is Arby's. If they are literalists, why did we order a roast beef sandwich, a gyro, and a beef 'n cheddar sandwich for supper and, after getting home, noticed they had put a fish sandwich into the bag too? If we are literalists, why did we eat the unordered fish sandwich?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
You bash all the time with your cherry-picked and gotcha Bible verses.Quote:
Incidentally, I have never, nor shall I ever, bash "Bibles on people's heads."
You constantly misrepresent what the Bible says!Quote:
On the other hand, I will not intentionally misrepresent the clear teaching of the Bible simply to preserve a person's temporary happiness. Much better to accept the joy that comes from serving Jesus than to walk in temporary pleasure.
That has nothing to do with being non-literal.Quote:
No, I'm not. Neither is Arby's. If they are literalists, why did we order a roast beef sandwich, a gyro, and a beef 'n cheddar sandwich for supper and, after getting home, noticed they had put a fish sandwich into the bag too? If we are literalists, why did we eat the unordered fish sandwich?
You know better than that. A verse or two or three can be cherry picking, but when you start speaking of multiples of ten, and especially when you have no scriptures that contradict them, then talking about cherry picking is just evasion.Quote:
your cherry-picked and gotcha Bible verses.
Give an example.Quote:
You constantly misrepresent what the Bible says!
WG, you know better. You know full well that you are not following the Bible. You honestly seem to not really know the Bible.
You used a hamburger as an example.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I KNEW the chiding would begin again. Of course I'm following the Bible! I love you despite yourself.Quote:
You know better than that. A verse or two or three can be cherry picking, but when you start speaking of multiples of ten, and especially when you have no scriptures that contradict them, then talking about cherry picking is just evasion.
Give an example.
WG, you know better. You know full well that you are not following the Bible. You honestly seem to not really know the Bible.
Right.Quote:
Of course I'm following the Bible! I love you despite yourself.
It's all binary. The beauty of binary is that there is no wiggle room. Nothing is fuzzy or unclear.Quote:
Once Adam and Eve ate that apple, the universe became open to unlimited possibilities. No more binary.
It's a Binary Gospel.
Not any more! Humans, animals (both land and sea creatures), and plants are binary as well as non-binary.Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
It's a Binary Gospel.
How so? Please explain.Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
And we return yet again to the tired, well-worn, and thoroughly discredited Genesis 3 argument.Quote:
Not any more! Humans, animals (both land and sea creatures), and plants are binary as well as non-binary.
The beauty of binary is that there is no wiggle room. Nothing is fuzzy or unclear. In binary computer code, ones are not zeros, and zeros are not ones. This binary nature is what makes the true Gospel clear in contrast to religion.
Here you have two binary opposites. You have either passed from death to life and will escape judgment, or you haven’t.Quote:
“Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life” (John 5:24).
Binary again. You either have the life in the Son or you don’t.Quote:
“Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life” (1 John 5:24).
You have been rescued or you haven’t. You are in the Kingdom or you are not.Quote:
“For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves,” (Colossians 1:13).
The Scriptures are clear; it’s all of Jesus, or none of Him. IT’S BINARY.
Well said, Walter.
So why are humans, animals (both land and sea creatures), and plants binary as well as LGBT+?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
WIGGLE ROOM???Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
Why is my SIL gay? Why are several of my friends trans? (and be sure to ask them about the estrogen drugs their mothers received so they wouldn't miscarry)
You do realize you are agreeing with Walter in saying that?Quote:
So why are humans, animals (both land and sea creatures), and plants binary
I don't think your reference to Gen. 3 is altogether off except in two BIG ways.
1. You don't even believe the Gen. 3 account is literal, so it's hard to imagine how an imaginary story could explain what we find in the real world.
2. You use it to justify what the Bible repeatedly refers to as sin. If you want to say we are "broken" as a result of sin, then I would agree with that, but I would not agree with your attempt to normalize sin.
You do realize that's sarcasm, don't you? Uh oh, I forgot. Second graders aren't that advanced, yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I don't deny binary. There are also LGBT+ humans, animals, and plants. (Thanks for misquoting me, i.e., cherry-picking, as you do so well when quoting the Bible. I had said, "Not any more! Humans, animals (both land and sea creatures), and plants are binary as well as non-binary.")Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Are you right handed or left handed? Certainly all those lefties are broken and sinful because of their handedness, since God certainly created Adam and Eve as righties. And we should never make any attempt to correct birth defects because that would be "normalizing sin".Quote:
I don't think your reference to Gen. 3 is altogether off except in two BIG ways.
1. You don't even believe the Gen. 3 account is literal, so it's hard to imagine how an imaginary story could explain what we find in the real world.
2. You use it to justify what the Bible repeatedly refers to as sin. If you want to say we are "broken" as a result of sin, then I would agree with that, but I would not agree with your attempt to normalize sin.
The Bible says birth defects and being left handed are sins???
I did not misquote you. In fact I used copy/paste.
Birth defects are a result of our sinful condition, our brokenness. Thus, we do our best to either live with that situation or even try to correct them. The same is true of the LGBT+ community. They either live with their situation or try to correct it.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
You had posted my quote as: "So why are humans, animals (both land and sea creatures), and plants binary."Quote:
I did not misquote you. In fact I used copy/paste.
I had said, "So why are humans, animals (both land and sea creatures), and plants binary as well as LGBT+?
While religion blurs the edges, the binary Gospel brings life into sharp focus.Quote:
WIGGLE ROOM???
Binary Gospel? Heaven or hell?Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
Binary Gospel, Bible or Man?Quote:
Binary Gospel? Heaven or hell?
Those aren't binaries.Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
Maybe I'm missing something here. Walter says life is binary. In the quote above you agree with that, but then you introduce gays as an example of non-binary. So is life binary or not?Quote:
I had said, "So why are humans, animals (both land and sea creatures), and plants binary as well as LGBT+?
The Bible does not say birth defects are sinful. The Bible does say two men having sex is sinful.
There are no transgender, gay, lesbian plants. Sexuality does not apply to plants. And before you respond, make sure you understand what sexuality is.Quote:
There are also LGBT+ humans, animals, and plants.
Did you ever figure out what truth is?
Life is both, a mix.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
No, it doesn't. And where's the "two women forbidden to have sex" verse? Where's the verse that says that a woman can't be given an estrogen-laced drug while pregnant so she won't miscarry and then her baby is born with a mix of sex organs or Klinefelter syndrome?Quote:
The Bible does not say birth defects are sinful. The Bible does say two men having sex is sinful.
It is contained in the teaching, present throughout the Bible, that sex is for marriage, and marriage is a joining of a man and a woman.Quote:
And where's the "two women forbidden to have sex" verse?
Much more to the point, where is the verse where God gives His blessing to two men or two women being joined in a sexual union?Quote:
Where's the verse that says that a woman can't be given an estrogen-laced drug while pregnant so she won't miscarry and then her baby is born with a mix of sex organs or Klinefelter syndrome?
How can a sister in law be gay without being married to your...sister? At any rate, Jesus is alive today and still changes lives today. Why are the men at the rescue center I go to all in addiction? Addiction is a really tough deal and is terribly destructive. I am certainly not going to go tell them that, because of Genesis 3, many possibilities have now been opened up and God approves of addiction and alcoholism. Instead, we tell them that Jesus is alive today, still changes lives, and He will change their lives as well.Quote:
Why is my SIL gay? Why are several of my friends trans?
You must ask yourself if you desire the approval of your SIL and trans friends more than you desire the approval of God.
She's my SIL because she's my husband's sister. She is legally married to a woman who has been the love of her life for over 35 years. Both were baptized as infants, attended Lutheran grade schools and high schools, and have lived a life of love for and giving to others.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
WG asked yet again: Where's the verse that says that a woman can't be given an estrogen-laced drug while pregnant so she won't miscarry and then her baby is born with a mix of sex organs or Klinefelter syndrome?
JL tossed in this non-answer:
Much more to the point, where is the verse where God gives His blessing to two men or two women being joined in a sexual union?
WG explains: That has nothing to do with gay marriage. The mother was married to a man. Please look up DES to find out more about how trans people were produced from the '30s thru the '70s.
Approval??? Are you saying I must dump them as friends and disconnect from any relatives who are LGBT+ so God will approve of me and love me??Quote:
You must ask yourself if you desire the approval of your SIL and trans friends more than you desire the approval of God.
It seems like just yesterday you mocked patterns in the Bible as my explanation to you for the issue du jour. Now, since it suits you, you use the same argument to support your du jour issue re sexuality.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Two-faced?
Nowhere in the Bible is infant baptism or attending Lutheran grade schools presented as the means of salvation. Has she repented and believed? If so, then why is she living in disobedience?Quote:
She's my SIL because she's my husband's sister. She is legally married to a woman who has been the love of her life for over 35 years. Both were baptized as infants, attended Lutheran grade schools and high schools, and have lived a life of love for and giving to others.
Simply a foolish question.Quote:
WG asked yet again: Where's the verse that says that a woman can't be given an estrogen-laced drug while pregnant so she won't miscarry and then her baby is born with a mix of sex organs or Klinefelter syndrome?
A very good, very pertinent question. The obvious answer is that it's found nowhere in the Bible.Quote:
JL tossed in this non-answer:
Much more to the point, where is the verse where God gives His blessing to two men or two women being joined in a sexual union?
No. I'm saying you should tell them the truth.Quote:
Approval??? Are you saying I must dump them as friends and disconnect from any relatives who are LGBT+ so God will approve of me and love me??
When did that happen? Is this another one of those Navy stories?Quote:
It seems like just yesterday you mocked patterns in the Bible as my explanation to you for the issue du jour.
They are the essence of Christian living and love.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Millions of parents who had trans children because of DES being given to the pregnant mom are eagerly awaiting your answer. Please research DES.Quote:
Simply a foolish question.
"Found nowhere in the Bible" because that kind of sex was prostitution set up to bring in money to pagan temples.Quote:
A very good, very pertinent question. The obvious answer is that it's found nowhere in the Bible.
Tell them YOUR truth, you mean....Quote:
No. I'm saying you should tell them the truth.
Interesting how selective your memory is. Except when it suits you to remember.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
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