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I don't see how this scripture answers the question. In your own words please.:confused:

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The question I reference was:

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Originally Posted by Triund

How do we know that someone has a closed mind and how is it that the person who is telling other, does not has a closed mind himself ?

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In my own words I said quote: Scripture says Christ gives each person according to the measure of HIS will and love.

(so HIS = Christ who reveals what He wants to each person He wants)


Continue my words: So what is revealed to one may not be revealed to another.

(not everyone will come to the same answer because He makes the decision by HIS knowledge in what their heart and mind can hold, And what they can handle, and what they are willing to handle) He knows each of well.

Continue my words: Each are to serve according to what they hear in Christ = RIGHTEOUSNESS ...

( what Christ has given them of righteousness to handle they then serve as a good servant of God, handing it out to others.)

Continue my words:And we are to watch carefully to the end of every word.

(we that hear their message must listen to every word to compare it with what Christ has written or revealed to us)

Continue my words: This makes it pretty individual as chosen by God.

( because Christ has the power in every way to make the difference in how we live on an individual basis. Whether we reap mercy or a lesson in obedience)


Continue my word:The vine is Christ and the only way is Christ. HIS sheep hear HIS voice. Christ walked by every letter of HIS Father's will. And we NOW walk as HE walked and in HIM. . .

(`Christ is the answer to our questionsin faith, and the example to follow)

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Originally Posted by sndbay

The question I reference was:
In my own words I said quote: Scripture says Christ gives each person according to the measure of HIS will and love.

(so HIS = Christ who reveals what He wants to each person He wants)


Continue my words: So what is revealed to one may not be revealed to another.

(not everyone will come to the same answer because He makes the decision by HIS knowledge in what their heart and mind can hold, And what they can handle, and what they are willing to handle) He knows each of well.

Continue my words: Each are to serve according to what they hear in Christ = RIGHTEOUSNESS ...

( what Christ has given them of righteousness to handle they then serve as a good servant of God, handing it out to others.)

Continue my words:And we are to watch carefully to the end of every word.

(we that hear their message must listen to every word to compare it with what Christ has written or revealed to us)

Continue my words: This makes it pretty individual as chosen by God.

( because Christ has the power in every way to make the difference in how we live on an individual basis. Whether we reap mercy or a lesson in obedience)


Continue my word:The vine is Christ and the only way is Christ. HIS sheep hear HIS voice. Christ walked by every letter of HIS Father's will. And we NOW walk as HE walked and in HIM. . .

(`Christ is the answer to our questionsin faith, and the example to follow)

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I agree with you on most of the things that you said. Where the problem comes in for me is that christ is the only way to the creator. I believe there is only one true God, he is the almoghty God. Jesus christ came to this earth to teach and show us how we should live. How we should treat our fellow man. I don't think he is God, or the son of God as the bible has it. He's not my saviour, I am my own saviour and God lives within everyone as we have been created in his image.
I believe Human beings can readily access God's light without going through jesus as the church wants you to believe. Look I love jesus, but I simply see him as a great prophet and the greatest human example of spiritual enlightenment.

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Originally Posted by lighterrr

God lives within everyone as we have been created in his image.

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So in some manner of speaking you believe the HOLY SPIRIT is God within you? (or) define image of God?

And the reason I would like to understand is why you have not made the plural relationship in what is written?

The image of God to me is the spirit of life. And the scripture reference in Genesis 1:26 reads God to say, let us (plural) create man in our (plural) image and after our (plural) likeness.
I find the plural reference to show both God the Father, and Christ who were both Spirit in completeness.

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

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So in some manner of speaking you believe the HOLY SPIRIT is God within you? (or) define image of God?

And the reason I would like to understand is why you have not made the plural relationship in what is written?

The image of God to me is the spirit of life. And the scripture reference in Genesis 1:26 reads God to say, let us (plural) create man in our (plural) image and after our (plural) likeness.
I find the plural reference to show both God the Father, and Christ who were both Spirit in completeness.

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

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Well I believe in God the father, and yes I believe he lives in all of us. Now do I think the element of God that lives in us is a spirit? Well I am not sure because I believe the very core of our being "the soul" is our direct connection to God. You may call it a spirit, but I refer to it as the soul.

Now God the son as the bible has given jesus this title. Well he is the son of god, just like we are all children of God. If we where more jesus like we would be walking in the light of God. Jesus came to set an example to teach us how to live and to reunite jews and gentiles. But my beliefs do not allow me to see jesus as my saviour or the gatekeeper to connecting with the one and only creator.

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Well i believe in God the father, and yes i believe he lives in all of us. now do i think the element of God that lives in us is a spirit? Well i am not sure because i believe the very core of our being "the soul" is our direct connection to God. You may call it a spirit, but i refer to it as the soul.

Now God the son as the bible has given jesus this title. Well he is the son of god, just like we are all children of God. If we where more jesus like we would be walking in the light of God. Jesus came to set an example to teach us how to live and to reunite jews and gentiles. But my beliefs do not allow me to see jesus as my saviour or the gatekeeper to connecting with the one and only creator.

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And I believe all souls belong to God, and that soul is placed within the flesh of man to walk on earth. Yet we know that the flesh body was curse in sin by one man. AND I believe we were set free from that curse by Christ Jesus, who paid the price in HIS blood. The one man greater and anointed by the Father to be the Saviour. Christ is the divine simplicity (faith) which we don't want to be beguiled from hearing.

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Our Father sent Jesus, as HIS begotten Son, who was from the beginning with God, and who was the Word of God made flesh to walk on earth, with the HOLY SPIRIT who was the identity in the likeness of the (plural) our image = Father, Son and HOLY SPIRIT.

Yes to walk in Christ is to walk in the light of God.

But I don't see that you answered the question of who the plural images were or the indentity in likeness to both? Who was God talk with in Genesis 1:26? Who was the likeness of both indentities? Have you asked in prayer to be granted HIS Truth?

Triund,
THAT is a very good question.
It may be hard to answer in some cases.
How many people really do have an always open mind?
Fred

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And I believe all souls belong to God, and that soul is placed within the flesh of man to walk on earth. Yet we know that the flesh body was curse in sin by one man. AND I believe we were set free from that curse by Christ Jesus, who paid the price in HIS blood. The one man greater and anointed by the Father to be the Saviour. Christ is the divine simplicity (faith) which we don't want to be beguiled from hearing.

Jesus christ is a model human being, that we all aspire to be, but fall so short of the glory, but he's not my saviour.

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Disagree once again the i see the "SIN" as the bible states that eve committed was more metaphorical than the physical act. Eating the forbidden fruit was really man's fall from grace and not the origination of sin and their deviation from the tree of life to the tree of knowledge.

Our Father sent Jesus, as HIS begotten Son, who was from the beginning with God, and who was the Word of God made flesh to walk on earth, with the HOLY SPIRIT who was the identity in the likeness of the (plural) our image = Father, Son and HOLY SPIRIT.

Disagree again I don't think jesus is the son of God as the bible makes him out to be, i see jesus as a great prophet, like mohammed is to islam.

Yes to walk in Christ is to walk in the light of God.

Diasgree you do not need christ to walk or communicate with God, God is within all of us and IT is up to us to find him and build a relationship with him. These no free lunch on this earth we need to work on it, and not take the easy way out by saying " ohhh i beleive in jesus so im walking with god". Words are so cheap its the actual actions of commuting ones mind, body and soul to discover God within>



But I don't see that you answered the question of who the plural images were or the indentity in likeness to both? Who was God talk with in Genesis 1:26? Who was the likeness of both indentities? Have you asked in prayer to be granted HIS Truth?

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What do you define as prayer is it the our father, hail mary etc.?

Me definition of prayer and yours may differ to a great degree. Prayer to me is meditation and connecting with the soul within me, speaking to the almighty god from the soul within, giving him my mind body and soul and not mechanically ritualistic recital of words (i.e our father, hail mary). Granted his truth? What do you mean buy that, what truth?

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Originally Posted by arcura

Triund,
THAT is a very good question.
It may be hard to answer in some cases.
How many people really do have an always open mind?
Fred

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I will definitely say that I am not 100% open minded some things people say I dismiss it as nonsense, or I agree to disagree with them. Knowing that not everyone will see things my way or share my beliefs. I don't think any human being has developed the self conditioning that is need to be 100% unbias and open to all ideas. There's only a few people that I believe has ever reached the point of enlightenment where they can be unbias and I would say that was jesus christ, mohammed and some of the great saints of our time.

Us everyday folks are nowhere near, this level of elevation:p

What many people miss when they think about Jesus Christ is the true CORE of His teaching.

It was not about a code of ethics.

The core of Jesus' teaching was Himself. It is impossible to accept His teachings while rejecting Him.

It is also impossible to claim Jesus as saviour without also accepting Him as your Lord. It's a package deal.

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Originally Posted by galveston

What many people miss when they think about Jesus Christ is the true CORE of His teaching.

It was not about a code of ethics.

The core of Jesus' teaching was Himself. It is impossible to accept His teachings while rejecting Him.

It is also impossible to claim Jesus as saviour without also accepting Him as your Lord. It's a package deal.

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Definitely not a package deal in my book:)

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Originally Posted by galveston

What many people miss when they think about Jesus Christ is the true CORE of His teaching.

It was not about a code of ethics.

The core of Jesus' teaching was Himself. It is impossible to accept His teachings while rejecting Him.

It is also impossible to claim Jesus as saviour without also accepting Him as your Lord. It's a package deal.

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I tried to give you a greenie but I couldn't since I recently gave you one. What you had to say was biblically correct and did NOT deserve a REDDIE. This is a Christian board if you are going to give REDDIES, please back it up with the BIBLE. It is not only the POLITE thing to do, it is part of the RULES.:mad:

galveston,
I agree with you.
It IS a package deal.
Fred

Dare81,
I agree with what galveston said.
It is not like you said about Newton.
Jesus is divine, Newton was a mere human mortal.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

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Dare81,
I agree with what galveston said.
It is not like you said about Newton.
Jesus is divine, Newton was a mere human mortal.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

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I agree that newton was a mortal a scientific genius. But jesusa was also a mortal, who elevated to the highest level of "SPITITUAL GENIUS":)

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450donn disagrees: But the reputation system does have rules, and if you choose not to follow them then please refrain from posting

What i wrote was not factually incorrect, and does not deserve a reddie, but that is okay i know you are mad because i challange your beliefs and the worst you can do to me is give me a redie, that kind of attitue is very common againts you religious types

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Dare you are so correct. I also take a lot of heat from expressing my views, which are so different from many o the posters on this board, but your well within your rights to post your opinion and views on the subject. Im with you all the way:D

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Originally Posted by lighterrr

What do you define as prayer is it the our father, hail mary etc.?

Me definition of prayer and yours may differ to a great degree. Prayer to me is meditation and connecting with the soul within me, speaking to the almighty god from the soul within, giving him my mind body and soul and not mechanically ritualistic recital of words (i.e our father, hail mary). Granted his truth? What do you mean buy that, what truth?

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First let me say, I asked about praying because scripture has told us to do so. And it was (Mark 14:38 Matthew 26:14) that warns us of the need in prayer.

As for what I define as prayer, I will say prayer is in the same manner as Christ taught us. My prayer is to the Father with the spirit. ( 1 Cr 14:15)

And I would say no one needs to speak their prayer in oral words, or has to in speaking with God. In a gathering of prayer that is what is usually done. When alone privately, within the heart soul, and mind of conviction in love, I then pray through the spirit to God.

When I ask you concerning truth, it is in knoweldge to what God wants to reveal to you. For to me God is the Spirit of Truth.. You mention it was your religion that does not permit Christ as your Saviour.

I view religion as being taken in many different directions, and directed by man.

And not all churches are the house of God in body being Christ, when each person as members, walk in faith with Christ, and Christ is the one corner stone by all that He fulfilled in HIS Father's will.

Now again I ask .. and have not yet seen that you answered the question of who the plural images were or the indentity in likeness to both? Who was God talk with in Genesis 1:26? Who was the likeness of both indentities?

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What he wrote was factually incorrect, Muslims believe in him and follow his teaching without accepting him as the son of God.Just because this is a christian board does not mean everything has to be backed up by the bible. Read the rules

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This is a Christianity Board. It is based on faith and our ONLY authority is the Bible therefore It IS NOT factually incorrect. The Bible backs up his statement. If you want to give your opinion, we welcome it but to give reputation because your OPINION or beliefs differ is RUDE and NOT playing by the rules of this sight. I don't agree with the Muslims, but I'm not on THAT board giving reddies to everyone that says something that I disagree with because I don't like the Quran and I believe the Bible. NOw, having said that I have given reddies on the Christain board if what someone says it biblically wrong and I can give scrpitrue to back it up.

Yes the Christian board or the Muslim board or the Jewish board everything is based on the persons individual faith, understanding, belief or opinion and you really can't give reddies unless it is totally off base and incorrect.

Lets call the Old Testament. The law of Moses, and call the New Testament. The new covenant. In the old, the laws were strict and hard to live by, yes? I don't care who you are NO ONE can live by the Bible NO ONE, not even Moses himself was able to live by these rules. As you read in the Bible he was forbidden to set foot in the promise land, by GOD himself. Now our country has been founded by these standards guess what, we failed, yep even christians, We All Fall Short Of The Glory Of God! Sound familiar. Knowing This our Lord Jesus came back and redeemed us all, hence the New Testament. Read the Gospels, Mathew, Mark, Luke and John to help you understand the New Testament. Bottom line my friend Don't follow religion. Follow the way the truth and the light, JESUS!!

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Originally Posted by sndbay

First let me say, I asked about praying because scripture has told us to do so. And it was (Mark 14:38 Matthew 26:14) that warns us of the need in prayer.

As for what I define as prayer, I will say prayer is in the same manner as Christ taught us. My prayer is to the Father with the spirit. ( 1 Cr 14:15)

And I would say no one needs to speak their prayer in oral words, or has to in speaking with God. In a gathering of prayer that is what is usually done. When alone privately, within the heart soul, and mind of conviction in love, I then pray through the spirit to God.

When I ask you concerning truth, it is in knoweldge to what God wants to reveal to you. For to me God is the Spirit of Truth.. You mention it was your religion that does not permit Christ as your Saviour.

I dont belong to ANY RELIGION, i have a spiritual beleif that I adhear to you their is a big difference between SPRITUALITY AND RELIGION
I view religion as being taken in many different directions, and directed by man.

I agree and thats where the problem because all man including the pope himself fall short of the glory of God.

And not all churches are the house of God in body being Christ, when each person as members, walk in faith with Christ, and Christ is the one corner stone by all that He fulfilled in HIS Father's will.

Now again I ask .. and have not yet seen that you answered the question of who the plural images were or the indentity in likeness to both? Who was God talk with in Genesis 1:26? Who was the likeness of both indentities?

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I dont understand what you are asking? Try breaking it down some more please.

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Lets call the Old Testament. The law of Moses, and call the New Testament. The new covenant. In the old, the laws were strict and hard to live by, yes? I don't care who you are NO ONE can live by the Bible NO ONE, not even Moses himself was able to live by these rules. as you read in the Bible he was forbidden to set foot in the promise land, by GOD himself. Now our country has been founded by these standards guess what, we failed, yep even christians, We All Fall Short Of The Glory Of God! Sound familiar. Knowing This our Lord Jesus came back and redeemed us all, hence the New Testament. Read the Gospels, Mathew, Mark, Luke and John to help you understand the New Testament. Bottom line my friend Don't follow religion. Follow the way the truth and the light, JESUS!!!!!

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JEZZY I agree with you to an extent. Look jesus came to SHOW US THE WAY WE SHOULD live, no man ever wii come close to the elevation of spirituality that jesus had, he came to school the sheep. But jesus is not the saviour of mankind we are all our own saviour. Look there's no free lunch people you want to get close to the almighty God, you got to work on yourself from the core of your being, meaning from the soul within and stop saying I believe in jesus so I am saved. Get a reality check. Jeuss came to give us the theory it's up to us to apply the praxis.:)

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JEZZY i agree with you to an extent. Look jesus came to SHOW US THE WAY WE SHOULD live, no man ever wii come close to the elevation of spirituality that jesus had, he came to school the sheep. But jesus is not the saviour of mankind we are all our own saviour. Look there's no free lunch people you want to get close to the almighty God, you got to work on yourself from the core of your being, meaning from the soul within and stop saying i beleive in jesus so i am saved. Get a reality check. Jeuss came to give us the theory it's up to us to apply the praxis.:)

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Not only did Jesus show us how to live, but also He Himself bought us that free lunch. He even told us that we don't have to make our own or buy it from somewhere. His is FREE!

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Not only did Jesus show us how to live, but also He Himself bought us that free lunch. He even told us that we don't have to make our own or buy it from somewhere. His is FREE!!

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Wonder you are right we share the same views except we just interrupt it differently.

I see it as jesus was the ultimate role model, he was like the teacher and I am the student, it's through his life that set the example, that man should live by, but we have to work on ourselves to come close to his level of spiritual elevation.

I guess you believe that he is the saviour and through him and him only will you be able to receive the glory of god?


As far as I see we have the same beliefs but different interpretations!

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i guess you believe that he is the saviour and through him and him only will you be able to receive the glory of god?

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I believe He was more than just a good man. I believe His life and death made me right with God again. I believe we limit God and make Him too small when we say only "good Christians" will enjoy the afterlife.

WG...

I believe all christians( the good, bad and ugly) will be saved and enjoy heaven. I base my beliefs on the BIBLE. I don't make God small... I also don't ADD to his Word to fix the things that I do not understand.

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Originally Posted by classyT

This is a Christianity Board. It is based on faith and our ONLY authority is the Bible.

NOw, having said that I have given reddies on the Christain board if what someone says it biblically wrong and i can give scrpitrue to back it up.

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ClassyT - Please clarify what you're saying here.

I understand this board to be on the topic Christianity. I further understand that anyone can post on the topic - regardless of their beliefs.

You seem to be saying the board is based on faith and the only authority is the Bible (for this Board). Does that mean (in your opinion) that only Christians are permitted to post here?

I have reviewed the posting rules and can find nothing that would support your position (if I've stated your position correctly - if not, please clarify your position).

Reddies for Biblically incorrect posts (in your opinion) seem to be against the site principles as I understand them.

If a moderator is monitoring this, I would appreciate a clear explanation as to whether this is restricted to Christians. Thank you.

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WG...

I believe all christians( the good, bad and ugly) will be saved and enjoy heaven. I base my beliefs on the BIBLE. I don't make God small...I also don't ADD to his Word to fix the things that i do not understand.

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This is what I don't understand are you saying because you are a christian and ONLY because you are a christian you will enjoy the afterlife/heaven?

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this is what i dont understand are you saying because you are a christian and ONLY because you are a christian you will enjoy the afterlife/heaven?

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Well, yes in a manner of speaking. You have made it quite clear in more than one of your posts that you think Jesus was a good man and Not the son of God. You have made quite clear that your belief is that the Bible is a nice book, but that you do not want to take the time to understand it's teachings. You have made it quite clear that your beliefs are than man can do it on his own without God. So since you do not believe in God/Jesus/ Holy spirit as the trinity from our book, the Bible that you will likely not make it to heaven. I am not making a judgment here, Rather you have set yourself up for judgment because of your unbelief. This is a whole package deal. You want the rewards, you have to accept the whole enchilada to get it.

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I am not making a judgment here, Rather you have set yourself up for judgment because of your unbelief.

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You are NOT making a judgment here? You certainly are. Your judgment is based on this individual not believing the same way you do. It couldn't be more clear. When you judge his "unbelief", it is YOU judging. You can quote the Bible all you want, but remember, bible-quoting is a two-way street.

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I believe He was more than just a good man. I believe His life and death made me right with God again. I believe we limit God and make Him too small when we say only "good Christians" will enjoy the afterlife.

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This is where we differ. I believe that being right with God is up to me, not Jesus. He did not have to die on the cross for me to get right with God. PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, is something I believe in across the board. To just say that you believe Christ is your Savior doesn't cut it. You have to find your own individual path to Him.

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Well, yes in a manner of speaking. You have made it quite clear in more than one of your posts that you think Jesus was a good man and Not the son of God. You have made quite clear that your belief is that the Bible is a nice book, but that you do not want to take the time to understand it's teachings. You have made it quite clear that your beliefs are than man can do it on his own without God. So since you do not believe in God/Jesus/ Holy spirit as the trinity from our book, the Bible that you will likely not make it to heaven. I am not making a judgment here, Rather you have set yourself up for judgment because of your unbelief. This is a whole package deal. You want the rewards, you have to accept the whole enchilada to get it.

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And you will make it to heaven, with your attitude I will be surprised if you end up anywhere

Eph 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
(KJV)

If Christians are not allowed to post Bible in support of what we believe, then to what shall we appeal, to our own wisdom?


Prov 14:12
12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
(KJV)

Repeated here, 2 chapters later.

Prov 16:25
25 There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
(KJV)


Isa 8:19-20
19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? For the living to the dead?
20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
(KJV)

As you can see, the practice of seeking guidance from anywhere other than God is prohibited by the Bible. I could give more references, but these should be enough.

As believer in Jesus Christ I am obligated to this.

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You have made quite clear that your belief is that the Bible is a nice book, ar that your beliefs are than man can do it on his own without God.

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She never said without God, she said without believing that Jesus was "our savior".

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So but that you do not want to take the time to understand it's teachings.

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She never said this either. This is just you being a condescending christian.

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You have made it quite clesince you do not believe in God/Jesus/ Holy spirit as the trinity from our book, the Bible that you will likely not make it to heaven.

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Don't know where you got this:confused:

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I am not making a judgment here,

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You are making the judgment that your path to God is the only path just because you read it in a book. FYI, there are many different books, all of which profess to be THE book.

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Says you and your book.:rolleyes:

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ClassyT - Please clarify what you're saying here.

I understand this board to be on the topic Christianity. I further understand that anyone can post on the topic - regardless of their beliefs.

You seem to be saying the board is based on faith and the only authority is the Bible (for this Board). Does that mean (in your opinion) that only Christians are permitted to post here?

I have reviewed the posting rules and can find nothing that would support your position (if I've stated your position correctly - if not, please clarify your position).

Reddies for Biblically incorrect posts (in your opinion) seem to be against the site principles as I understand them.

If a moderator is monitoring this, I would appreciate a clear explanation as to whether this is restricted to Christians. Thank you.

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No.. I am NOT saying you can't post here. You can disagree with anything anyone puts up but if it isn't wrong according to the Bible.. which is where Christianity all comes from anyway.. I think it is rude to give negative reputation. Look, I am not making some big deal out of it. And I am voicing my opinion. I WANT other faiths to post here.. I just don't think you should give reddies when the person says something that you don't LIKE. Back it up with something from the Bible if you think it is wrong. I think that is fair. I'm not the amhd police and I wouldn't have nor have I ever reported anyone.

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this is what i dont understand are you saying because you are a christian and ONLY because you are a christian you will enjoy the afterlife/heaven?

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Ligterrr...

NO. I didn't say it.. I'm saying that is what the Bible says. I'm not judging one single person and I would tell NO ONE they weren't going to heaven. The ONLY thing that I can do is point someone in the right direction according to the Bible.

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You can post supporting scripture all you want, but you must realize that much of it is in vain because many do not take the bible to be the final word of God.

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Prov 14:12
12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
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Repeated here, 2 chapters later.

Prov 16:25
25 There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

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(KJV)

The scripture quoted above is "scare tactics". My God does not sink to that level.

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As you can see, the practice of seeking guidance from anywhere other than God is prohibited by the Bible. I could give more references, but these should be enough.

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I do seek guidance from God, directly from God. It IS possible to do this and by-pass the scripture.

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As believer in Jesus Christ I am obligated to this.

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[/QUOTE]That is certainly your prerogative.

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Originally Posted by classyT

Ligterrr...

NO. I didn't say it.. I'm saying that is what the Bible says. I'm not judging one single person and I would tell NO ONE they weren't going to heaven. The ONLY thing that I can do is point someone in the right direction according to the Bible.

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classy thank you for being open minded, you know I was a "christian" @ some point and I had to denounce that faith, because it got me NOWHERE in my walk with God. Look classy this is the bottom line we all have God in us and its not jesus that introduces us to God we got to do it on our own. I believe its through the mimicking of Jesus actions that we can get to see the way, the truth and the light. But its not jesus the man that's the gatekeeper to God.

Look @ it this way for example, you go to university learn all the theory of a profession. Then you have a community placement where you apply what is learnt so the praxis.


To me and this is only my opinion:

Jesus = theory
praxis= us putting what he taught into action

Our only saviour is us and our actions and commitment to get closer to the light of God, on our own, buy using the tools that jesus taught:).

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Originally Posted by lighterrr

classy thank you for being open minded, you know i was a "christian" @ some point and I had to denounce that faith, because it got me NOWHERE in my walk with God. Look classy this is the bottom line we all have God in us and its not jesus that introduces us to God we got to do it on our own. I believe its through the mimicking of Jesus actions that we can get to see the way, the truth and the light. But its not jesus the man thats the gatekeeper to God.

Look @ it this way for example, you go to university learn all the theory of a profession. then you have a community placement where you apply what is learnt so the praxis.


To me and this is only my opinion:

Jesus = theory
praxis= us putting what he taught into action

Our only saviour is us and our actions and commitment to get closer to the light of God, on our own, buy using the tools that jesus taught:).

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Light,

I know you think that Jesus isn't the only savior. Man, all I know for sure is if I am my only savior I'm in such big doo doo because I KNOW me. I don't know you seem young, I'm guessing 20's. I'm not... I'm 47. I have lots of life experience. I have done so many things in my life that shocked the daylights out of me... WHAT? Me classy do THAT? YEP and THEN some. The bible says that God is HOLY and I he can't stand for sin and know that I know I am sinful. I DO need a savior and I can't save me.

Lighterr, On post 105 you have quoted me from post 101. However you have confusingly put your reply in orange as quoted by me..

The following is how it should appear, and I would like to go forward in discussion, if you would care to answer.

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Originally Posted by sndbay

You mention it was your religion that does not permit Christ as your Saviour.

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Originally Posted by lighterrr

I dont belong to ANY RELIGION, i have a spiritual beleif that I adhear to you their is a big difference between SPRITUALITY AND RELIGION

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Discussion continued: The belief of Kabbalah in what I have knowledge in understand, is an example of spiritual divine simplicity. The belief is a following by people who choose to believe of God as being without parts.
So I do realize the following of belief you have chosen.

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Originally Posted by sndbay

I view religion as being taken in many different directions, and directed by man.

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Originally Posted by lighterrr

I agree and thats where the problem because all man including the pope himself fall short of the glory of God.

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Continued discusssion:This tends to discernment in what you feel the Catholic Christian does in the glory of God. And I believe we have a right to discern between right and wrong. Many people follow their own belief, and many different Christain following are out there for choice.

The Bible as in scripture is a more direct path in what I follow.. as a child of God answering the calling of God, to follow the Father's will in confession of Christ as the begotten Son of God.

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Originally Posted by sndbay

Now again I ask .. and have not yet seen that you answered the question of who the plural images were or the indentity in likeness to both? Who was God talk with in Genesis 1:26? Who was the likeness of both indentities?

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Originally Posted by lighterrr

I dont understand what you are asking? Try breaking it down some more please.

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Broken down, I felt the Bible was included in your belief, and the first book of scripture I had referanced because you spoke of man created in the image of God.

So Genesis 1:26 speaks of the plural image of "Let Us" and "Our " in plural likeness of who man is created.

Clearly I feel this plural image that God is speaking to is Christ, and the plural likeness of both is the Holy Spirit.

Who do you feel us is? And the our likeness is?

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

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Originally Posted by classyT

Light,

I know you think that Jesus isn't the only savior. Man, all i know for sure is if I am my only savior i'm in such big doo doo because i KNOW me. I don't know you seem young, im guessing 20's. I'm not...i'm 47. I have lots of life experience. I have done so many things in my life that shocked the daylights out of me.....WHAT? me classy do THAT? YEP and THEN some. The bible says that God is HOLY and i he can't stand for sin and know that I know i am sinful. I DO need a savior and I can't save me.

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Cassy I am actually 30 and have not been through as much as you, but what I have is a spiritual knowledge that keeps me going:)

Fyi: I also remember a story in the new testament where jesus was only 12 years old and he was teaching and preaching to people.


Hmmm I don't think age has anything to do with enlightenment and spiritual growth.