Wondergirl,
Very good question.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
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Wondergirl,
Very good question.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
That is a loaded question. People are born heterosexual according to God's plan. No conscious decision is involved in being heterosexual.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
There is a cognitive choice in deciding to indulge in sex outside of marriage, whether that be heterosexual sex or some deviant variety, such as homosexual sex.
And there is no conscious decision to be homosexual. We are born hetero or homo, not according to God's plan for each of us specifically (because why would He make someone a hated homosexual?), but according to God's bigger plan called Human Sexuality. He set the plan in place, just like He set the rest of Nature's systems in place so that we have biology, geology, thermodynamics, meteorology, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by De Maria
Could you, De Maria, choose to be (N.B.: BE) a homosexual, not for five minutes or a day or even a year, but to the point where you would no longer have any heterosexualness, any feelings for the opposite sex, that you would be attracted only to the same gender you are?
(Perhaps this is off-topic, but it does have to do with one's view of God and knowing if God loves him or not.)
God didn't reveal that He had a different plan for each of us. He revealed that homosexual behaviour is an abomination and that we are to obey His requirements regardless of how we feel about them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
We have the same message in Scripture, Tradition and Magisterium.
Have you studied up on what was the reason for homosexual behavior mentioned in the OT and even the New?Quote:
Originally Posted by De Maria
***ADDED: This is not fair to this thread. I will start a new thread on this topic this evening.
De Maria,
I agree with you.
Fred
Every man is loved by God, it is the sin in man that God hates.
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that
whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." 17," For God did not send His Sun into the world to condem: but that the world through Him be saved."
17, "He who believes in Him is not condemn
; but he who does not believe is condemned
already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."
This tells me that if you do not believe in God, it makes no difference if you sin, you have no hope or light to knowing the truth with out believing.
It sounds like the unforgivable sin of man. If there is no God, why care if you sin.
There is no argument, we all sin, but believers can be forgiven we have the light of God, Jesus, to show us the way the truth and the life thought the Holy Spirit.
Jesus came to save us not to judge us. We condemn our self with unbelieving.
John 5:24 "Most assuredly I say to you, he who hears My word and believe in Him
who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life."
Maggie 3
Maggie 3,
Very good.
Fred
We choose to believe if an act is a sin or not. That act may be lust [ hetero or homo ] or hate or theft or murder. It is all sin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
We chose, or ask for help, to avoid that which we believe is sin.
G&P
inthebox
Thanks for posting that.
But I can't see how homosexual posts are consistent with the subject of this thread.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
"When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever is left, no matter how improbable, must be true"
- Sherlock Holmes
It is irrational to believe life came from non-life, order came from entropy(disorder) accidentally, Laws of Physics came from random particles, something came from nothing, the intricate design in nature was without a designer, and /or feelings of love, hate, joy, sorrow, etc. are mere accidental chemical reactions in our body.
On the other hand, Knowing God is a subjective experience and no two people can have the same experience with God even though "Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow."
Jeff,
Thanks for mentioning that.
It is amazing how many people think irrationally about the things you mentioned.
One on my friends is a self proclaimed free thinker who does a lot of irrational thinking alone those lines but is brilliant in many other ways.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
Hello Cozyk,
I was wondering if you have read the book "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins. I think you would like it very much.
What would it matter if we COULD prove that God exists. There would still be a skeptic. The Bible says we should look around and know it.
According to the Bible it takes faith not proof anyway.
Hebrews 11:6
And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.
ClassyT,
Yes you are right.
There will always be certain skeptics even when facing a mountain of evidence.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
I both believe and know that God exists, but you are asking for proof and proof is an individual thing because I don't have the power to force God to manifest himself. What proof do you want? I can testify to answered prayer, to healing, to miracles of faith.Quote:
Originally Posted by cozyk
paraclete,
I agree with you.
Also I do accept the many proofs that there is a God including those that quantum science provides and the mathematical certainty that God exists.
That is that this universe's change of happening by accident is just one chance in 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000.
With the universe estimated by science to be only 8,000,000,000 year old it is impossible to have happened by accident.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
I don't follow the reasoning Fred and in any case science keeps pushing the age of the universe back it is now 13,500,000,000 years old. I accept God's explanation and I am not concerned about what science says, they have theories that they modify frequently, where as I have the certainty of what I know and experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
paraclete.
Be that as it may, mathematically, it is impossible for the universe to come into existence by accident.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
I believe that there was a person named George Washington, but I did not know him.
Yet, I BELIEVE in God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. And, I KNOW them personally because I have a relationship with them. God - who is my Father, Jesus - who personally died for me, and the Holy Spirit which guides me and speaks to my heart and brings conviction to my soul.
And, you cannot know someone unless you spend time with them. Many people believe that there is a God, but only those that have accepted what He has done can KNOW Him.
rnrg,
Agreed 199%
Peace and kindness,
Fred
Mrg...
You have much wisdom! I agree 110%! ( yes, I'm trying one up you Fred!) LOL ;) ( teasing of course)
Hello FredQuote:
Originally Posted by arcura
Quantum mechanics does not provide any proof for the existence of God, mathematical or otherwise. When you are talking about a probability universe you are no doubt referring to a formulation of the anthropic principle. Quantum mechanics and some type of anthropic formulation are not one and the same.
Regards. Tut
Tut,
I have a book by a physicist who shows that quantum does indicate the existence of a supreme intelligence.
He was so convinced that he became a priest.
There are several persons of such persuasion.
And no, I was not trying to mix quantum mechanics and some type of anthropic formulation for I do know that they are not the same.
Thanks anyway.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
Hello Fred,
Apologies for thinking that you didn't know the difference.
The book sounds like a good read so I was wondering if you can provide me the author and title?
From my point of view I find this a most interesting claim. Einstein was quickly aware of the implications that quantum theory had on religion so he coined the dictum "God does not play dice".
Einstein was unhappy about the apparent randomness of physical properties and believed that quantum theory was incomplete. He postulated that there must be "hidden variables" which have yet to be discovered.
Einstein always held on to the belief that there was an underlying reality to the universe which fitted into his beliefs about God. He would not accept that we live in a universe which is determined by chance.
Unfortunately for Einstein,"Bell's Inequality" suggests that there are no hidden variables. Not only does God play dice he takes every opportunity to throw the dice.
This is why I was somewhat surprised that someone would choose something like quantum theory to try and prove the existence of God.
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