Who care who translated it. We still have the original greek and hebrew texts to reference if there is discrepancy
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Who care who translated it. We still have the original greek and hebrew texts to reference if there is discrepancy
Right on !
who or whatever JESUS is has to be good. After I was baptised I really did feel all my sins were washed away and the church loved me as one of there own. I still have memories of my sinful hayday. I am a changed for the better man now however I still continue to sin in other ways.
Some people say that I am going to hell no matter what. The bible says that the ones thought to be first will be last and the ones last to be first.
Ive always believed in god and have felt his presence in my life at all times.
the jesus thing is all new to me and Im still not comfortable worshiping his name.
I always thought there was one god , only one. Most of the writings and teachings of jesus was while he was a man. Im still pondering on that one.
I am very much in touch with my heart, mind, soul, body, logic circuits, faith, etc. And through it all I can still say that we are only human with animalistic instincts. We all have the same basic needs for survival that supercede any philosophy.
No matter how christianity can be and is written off in peoples minds, I would rather be more like jesus (or what he represents) than anything in this world.
This is an opinion gathering post as far as I can tell. It's interesting to note that some are using this post to spread Christianity views. You must understand that there are others with different religions. Learn to respect their views instead of trying to push Christianity on them. If you must do that, start another thread.
Thank you for the opportunity to elaborate on who Jesus is to me and why I feel the way I do. Jesus is My Lord, My Savior, My God and principally ONE in The Holy Trinity. Who else has been known to forfeit their life for the Salvation of mankind, except Jesus! Who else would submit to unbearable whippings and made to carry His cross to Calvary, except Jesus! Who else is capable of Forgiving you of your sins and allowing you to pass into Eternal Life in Heaven, except Jesus!Quote:
Originally Posted by mountain_man
The following Holy Scriptures speak of Jesus, the Christ.
"No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, He hath declared HIM." JOHN 1:18 [KJV]
When people ask about Jesus Christ, who He is and if He is the Son of God, those in the know should be proud to reply with the following Scripture: "And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from Heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased." LUKE 3:22 [KJV]
There is a very good reason why God has sent His Only Begotten Son into the world.
"For God so loved the world, that He gave His ONLY begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life." JOHN 3:16 [KJV] This Scripture tells us quite plainly that " ... whosoever BELIEVETH in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life." So, for those who do not believe in Him, and there are many, they should not hope to have everlasting life in Heaven or to be Saved since they do not BELIEVE in Jesus who is the only ONE who can give Salvation unto mankind. But then, why should non-believers want to go to Heaven, to a beautiful eternal place where there is no torment and suffering, in the first place, since they are not aligned with Jesus or God!
For those who want to know who Fathered Jesus, the answer is in the following Scripture. "Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as His mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost." MATTHEW 1:18 [KJV]
After Jesus' birth and when He started His ministry and mission, He was rejected by jealous Jews who were in a leadership position and He was sent to the Roman governor to be executed. "When the morning was come, all the chief priests and elders of the people took counsel against Jesus and put Him to death: And when they had bound Him, they led Him away, and delivered Him to Pontius Pilate the governor." MATTHEW 27:1-2 [KJV]
Jesus, who came to lovingly give us SALVATION was mocked, whipped, beaten and crucified at Calvary. He suffered much under Pontius Pilate and died but RESURRECTED on the third day and remained for forty days and nights and was seen by His apostles and many others during that time. He could eat, be touched, etc. This is further proof of His God-self and again, I would have to ask who else has been known to do this, to suffer so much pain for mankind and to die just to deliver us from sin? Jesus, whom some do not believe in, was one "Who did no sin, neither was guile found in His mouth: Who, when He was reviled, reviled not again; when He suffered, He threatened not; but committed Himself to Him that judge the righteously:" 1 PETER 2:22, 23 [KJV]
That is why HE means so much to me! His Love pours forth with His cup of kindness and goodness, mercy and compassion for mankind and how mankind, in turn, treats Him is abominable. But the Law of Cause and Effect (What you sow, that will you also reap) comes into play here just as sure as you have read these words. Every one who rejects Him cannot expect to have their soul saved at the time of their passing. After all, how could He know you if you do not want to know Him? Again, many will not want to have their soul saved but I do, that much is CERTAIN! And in being BORN AGAIN in the Name of Jesus, we can assure that we will go to Heaven at our appointed time. That is the best INSURANCE anyone in this world could ever hope to have! But for those still not convinced, you know the saying "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink". That is something they will have to personally contend and struggle with and their conscience. I will not place myself in that kind of position. I give ALL GLORY to God through His Only Begotten Son Jesus Christ! I praise His Most Holy Name!
For those wanting to know what Jesus continues to do for us, it is answered in this Scripture: "For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into Heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:" HEBREWS 9:24 [KJV] What better assurance and insurance could I possibly have than in knowing that Jesus will be before God when I pass on to give me Salvation since I believe and have given my life to Him! Personally, I would never want to risk not being Saved just to be stubborn and not believe in Jesus, after all, what would it cost me later on? What would I have to lose? SALVATION and my SOUL when I pass on, that's what, and that is a Price Too High to have to pay!
The Holy Bible addresses those who do not wish to understand Jesus or who reject Him and who are anti-God: "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." 1 CORINTHIANS 2:14 [KJV]
Thank you again for asking the important question of who Jesus is to me and what He means to me and for allowing me to give my testimony as to why I feel the way I do. PRAISE OUR GOD and SAVIOR JESUS ALWAYS!!!
Great answer! I would add, "My Love and my Life".Quote:
Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck
Jesus is my savior & the son of god. I disagree with any who say he is part of some trinity. That would completely take away from the ransom sacrifice.
I think there's a reasonable chance Jesus existed. Whoever he was, he was an increbibly interesting person though.Quote:
Originally Posted by mountain_man
I think it's most likely that he was a very gentle person who espoused some very good wisdom to live by. He was likely smart. A lot of people think he was a nutcase. I'm not saying that, but he was most likely dellusional (if he existed). He was certainly an apocolyptic.
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Originally Posted by Rinacakes1991
Why would you say that it takes away from the sacrifice?
Jesus a man whose true name in english happens to be joshua. He is the word of god made into flesh and crowned King of all. His name means the deliverer and the title his earthly admirers respond to ,Christ, means one anointed. He is God anointed king and deliverer of all.
God in the flesh. When you've seen the visible Jesus, you've seen the invisible Father.
Jesus is the Light of my life, my Lord and Savior. My everlastasting life,the God of my salvation. He gave my His love so I could love others, for love is of God and everone
who loves is born of God and knows God. Jesus is my Peace, He will keep in perfect
peace, whoes mind is fixed on Him. Jesus is my forgiver and has covered all my sin.
He is my Righteousness, who know no sin to be sin for me, that I might become the
righteousness of God in Him. He is my Deliverer, for the law of the Spirt of Life in
Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.
He has opened my eyes so I can see, and opened my ears so I can hear.
He is my Strength, my Hope and Joy, Companion, Security, sufficiency and Guardian.
Jesus is my Fulfillment, He satisfies my longing soul, and fills my hungry soul with
goodness. I delight myself in the Lord, and He shall give me the desires of my heart.
Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for rightousness, for they shall be filled.
Jesus is my teacher who tought me how to pray, and whatever thing you ask when you pray, believe that you receive them, and you shall have them.
Jesus has given us so many gifts to abide in, faith, hope, love but the greatest of these is love.Everything we do, or don't do, face, and don't face is touched by God's
continuing love. Everything about us hinges on our love because God, who is love,
created us in his image. Jesus demonstrated His amazing love for us by dying for
our sins. Christ's love goes on forever for the ones that love Him!
This is Jesus to me, who I love with all my heart, soul, mind and being!
Love and Blessings Maggie 3
Jesus is my "The Best Friend". HE loves me, HE cares for me, HE consequences me when I stray away and forgives me when I repent. HE is the one whom I always pray first to, for HIS blessings, before I start a new thing. HE is the one who gets all the credits to whatever I accomplish. HE is the one from whom I get my rescue when the weather is rough or I mess up. HE is the one whom I would see after the death, though I wish I could see HIM, coming down from Heaven, while I am on this earth.
Picking from your own post, the difference between Jesus and Jim Jones, David Koresh, Marshal Applewhite etc. is that others who "claimed to be God & duped people into dying for them", Jesus did not dupe anyone to die with HIM.Quote:
Originally Posted by deist
Jesus had told us 2000 years ago, that there would be many who would claim to be Jesus and make people follow them. And that's true. That happened in the past and is happening now and will continue to happen till the second coming of Jesus.
My friend be aware that HIS second is near and we are in the End Times, though nobody knows the day and hour. But we have been warned.
Let me update you here my friend, and this is the latest that many Jews have already accepted Lord Jesus as their saviour. Therefore, existence of Jesus had already been proved, some 2000 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by doffy
I agree. He is not a god. HE is God.Quote:
Originally Posted by superwario99
Every persons's views are respected here. No one is put down but an effort is made to show the other side of the coin because Jesus has told us to spread HIS name. So people are making best use of this opportunity.Quote:
Originally Posted by rkim291968
This is such a good questions asked.
Did anybody notices how many people have posted the response. How many people we have come to see who were there but we never knew them.
Indeed! We find evidence of the truth of Jesus not just in scripture, but in many other ancient writings, the authors of which, in some cases, were strongly opposed to Christianity. There is no basis whatsoever for the claim that Jesus did not or may not have existed. There may be some who question if He was God as He claimed, but no one has any basis for questioning His existence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Triund
To me Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior.
He is also my master and religious teacher.
That pretty well covers it.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
Oh I thought I should add... Jesus is God.
Hi, Leidenschaftlich für Wahr!
I haven't seen you on the site in awhile! Nice to see you being here again and I also appreciate the fact that you're a person of Faith!
Thanks!
Jesus is the Strength of my life, the Source== the eternal, indwelling presence of God. .
The Love of my life. He is my everything. Nothing compares to the freedom that waits
for you within His loving arms. Nothing will ever bring more completion to your heart and soul than knowing the unconditional love of Jesus. He can be yours today== if you
choose. He is the Way the Truth and the Life if you believe.
Love and blessing, Maggie 3
Leidenschaftlich für Wahr,
Nice to see you here.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
Funny name, Leidenschaftlich fuer Wahr. As I recall my German, leidenschaftlich is passionate, something like that, and Wahr is truth. But I don't think you can translate the English, "passionate for truth" like that--it's too literal. Sounds weird to me. Maybe you could say, leidenschaftlich fuer die Wahrheit, that's a maybe. But the other, I don't think do.Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
That he was a great profit, teacher, and messenger. He was created by God and performed many miracles, but is not a god. The bible has endured great amounts of alterations, deletions, and additions... that is an important fact that should be carefully considered and not brushed aside.
Golden_Girl,
I strongly disagree.
If you, or anyone, compares the earliest versions of the bible with those really good ones of today you will find them to be greatly similar.
Over the years there have been SOME translation corrections but no vast alterations your message seems to infer.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
No Arcura, I strongly disagree.
For one moment I would like for everyone to stop and think of these situations, please take the time to read carefully. There is no single scriptural text in which Jesus claimed to be divine. In fact, there are numerous texts where he had mentioned not being of equal nature to God (John 8: 28-29, 14: 10, 24. 28. 31. Mk. 13: 32, 10: 18). . It was he who stated that “I can do nothing on my own authority” (John 5: 30).Even the testimony of Paul, we find that the Book of Acts indicates that Paul was accused of not telling the truth about the teachings of Jesus, an accusation which he did not deny but tried to justify (see Romans 3:7-8). :(
Even the very first groups of Christianity such as the Ebonites, the Cerinthians, the Basilidians, the Capocratians, and the Hypisistarians. The Arians, Paulicians and Goths also accepted Jesus as a prophet of God, to name a few. Long after the departure of Jesus from earth, his faithful followers continued to "keep up their daily attendance at the Temple" (Acts 2:46). It would be beyond belief to imagine that had Jesus indeed preached to his apostles that he was God, and if Jesus had indeed commanded them to forsake the commandments, that they would then disregard all of this and continue to worship in a Jewish synagogue.
Christian The "trinity" was not revealed by God Almighty or Jesus, but Trinitarian Christians believe in it. Why? I will explain why, the answer lies in the council of Nicea of 325 CE. The concept of the Trinity was not even introduced into Christianity until close to four hundred years after Jesus . It was only then that "the Trinitarian dogma 'One God in three Persons' became thoroughly assimilated into Christian life and thought ... it was the product of 3 centuries of doctrinal development". The New Catholic Encyclopedia," Volume XIV, p. 295. This explains that even the The New Catholic Encyclopedia admited it that Jesus, John, Matthew, Luke, Mark, all of the apostles, and even Paul, were completely unaware of any "Trinity." :eek: Emperor Constantine, the pagan emperor of the Romans, began to notice the increasing number of converts to the new faith among his subjects. This is the Romanized mythology in origin, the unqualified Trinitarianism, was added during the 4th century.
This matter should not be brushed aside so easily and in vain. "The controversy over the matter of the Trinity had in 318C.E. once again just blown up between two church men from Alexandria, Arius, the deacon, and Alexander, his bishop. The emperor sent these men many letters encouraging them to put aside their "trivial" disputes regarding the nature of God and the "number" of God, etc. Constantine realized that a unified church was necessary for a "strong kingdom". When negotiations failed to settle the dispute, the emperor called the "Council of Nicea" in order to resolve these, and other matters. The council met and voted on whether Jesus (pbuh) was God or not. They effectively voted Jesus into the position of God with an amendment condemning all Christians who believed in the unity of God. There is even extensive proof that most of those who signed this decree did not actually believe in it or understand it but thought it politically expedient to do so." Additional beliefs were later combined in 431AD to give Mary, the mother of Jesus the title "Theotokos" (God-bearing). This is how she became known to us as "Mother of God."
What Did Jesus Really Say ? - Historical origin of the "Trinity" myth
Taking a look at his Name. "Jesus" is the Greek form of the Hebrew name Joshua, and means "a savior". The angel, addressing Joseph, said: "Thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins" (Matt. 1:21). The word "Christ" is not a name. It is a Greek word transferred into the English language, and means "Anointed." Jesus Christ, therefore, means "The Anointed Jesus." The anointing of Jesus took place when he was 30 years of age, at the time he was baptized by John. Of this, said Peter--
"God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power" (Acts 10:38).
Jesus was to fulfill the three offices, which was clearly foretold by Moses and the prophets. The New Testament confirms all of these predictions. Therefore, to truly know Jesus in the Bible sense, we must know what he taught as a Prophet. We must understand the sacrifice he offered as a Priest, and the ruling he will exercise as a King.
Jesus and God can not be co-equal because the Bible says "... my Father is greater than I" (John 14:28). Obviously if God is greater than Jesus then they can not be equal. We also read: "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father." (Mark 13:32)
If Jesus and God were equal then it follows that they will be equal in knowledge. But as we can see, God is greater in knowledge than Jesus (pbuh).
God is claimed to have "begotten" Jesus. Jesus is claimed to be the "Son" of God. "Beget" is a verb which implies an action. No matter how you define what God actually did in order to "beget" Jesus, any definition must require that God Almighty performed some action and then Jesus came into being. Before God performed this action Jesus was not. After God performed this action Jesus came into being. Thus, not only is Jesus not eternal, since there was a time (before the "begetting") when he did not exist, but he can also never be co-eternal with God since God was in existence at a time when Jesus was not. This is very simple grade-school logic.
What Did Jesus Really Say ? - Summary: What is a "Trinity"?
Through Moses, God said: "I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. "And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him" (Deut. 18:18-19). He was to be like Moses, and would therefore fulfill similar functions. Moses was a prophet, a mediator, a lawgiver, and a ruler, or king. Being like unto Moses, Jesus must fulfill all these. Therefore, to reject Jesus' teaching is to disbelieve God, for "He that believeth not God hath made Him a liar" (l John 5:10).
It is true that Jesus (aka Yeshua as well as Isa) was one of the most greatest prophets and messengers. There are two extremes, "the Jews, who rejected Jesus as a Prophet of God, called him an impostor. And the Christians on the other hand, consider him to be the son of God and worship him as such."
The later versions of the bible only continues to be diluted and cause further divisions and sects of beliefs. Unfortunately, there were hundreds of scholars who were used to create and re-create different versions of the bible over the centuries. Scholars cannot fully agree with the work of other scholars. Sorry, but no translation was "inspired", because they were put together, altered, and adulterated by men. 'How can we know God preserved His inspired words precisely the way He revealed them thousands of years ago? How can we know which original texts are most accurate? There are, after all, thousands of “original” texts from which we get our translations. We must go to God for the answer." What’s Wrong With “New” Bible Translations? | Living | theTrumpet.com by the Philadelphia Church of God
“What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God” (Romans 3:1-2).
It is fact that some bibles choose to leave verses out, while others may include. Causing divisions and separations in the church, leading further to multiples of denominations and sects, versions, and the additional false doctrine further added. From the Greek New Testament, the Roman Catholic Church, King James Version (KJV), New International Version (NIV), NASB (New American Standard Bible), NKJV (New King James Version), etc. etc. Evern many of the "Christian" holidays are in fact pagan, "from Christmas" to "Easter" Wrong Bible
We as humanity are supposed to worship the one God only, any further dietes and additions added to God is false, dogma, and polytheistic. The truth can at times be difficult to swallow. But fact is fact. It does not hurt as much to learn the one truth of God, and avoid the hypocrasies of man and such man-made dogmas.
Further Important References To Read:
Because God "gave His only begotten Son.."?: What Did Jesus Really Say ? - Because God "gave His only begotten Son.."?
How many "Sons" does God have?: What Did Jesus Really Say ? - How many "Sons" does God have?
Christianity's true founder, Paul, admits fabrication: What Did Jesus Really Say ? - Christianity's true founder, Paul, admits fabrication
Because he was the "Image of God"?: What Did Jesus Really Say ? - Because he was the "Image of God"?
Because God was his "Father"?: What Did Jesus Really Say ? - Because God was his "Father"?
What Did Jesus Really Say ? - Table Of Contents
Prophet Jesus (PBUH) Never Claimed Divinity By Dr. Jamal Badawi
What Did Jesus Really Say ? - Summary: What is a "Trinity"?
The Trinity Doctrine. True or False ?
Is There a Right and Wrong Translation of the Bible?
The Trinity -- Fact or Fiction?
Jesus Christ: Prophet, Priest, and King
The Truth about Jesus Christ
What are the ERRORS in the King James Version Bible? - Part 1 of 2
May God bless as always inshaallah...
Golden_Girl,
I still very much disagree with your opinion.
I do not have the time to go into a discussion on why but I do use 8 different versions of the bible in my studies on this and much more.
The Apostle Thomas said, "my Lord and My God" Jesus did not disagree with that and neither do I.
Fred
Hmmm... I must say that I am not surprised.Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
Well, I only intended to answer the question as we all are free to believe what we desire. I understand that for many, they question why believe facts and what is most apparent, when ignorance is bliss..
Leidenschaftlich für Wahr be careful when you judge, because you do not have the authority to do so nor did you attempt to even know my beliefs. Sorry to dissapoint you, but I proudly bow before God and one God only FIVE times a day and I pray to Him throughout the day everyday. And.. um... hmmm.. how many times do you bow before God :eek: oh... none? No wonder the silence. Sorry but if you are counting pagan Christmas trees and Easter bunny rabbits, they do not count.
I do not worship man nor do I idolize their man-made fabricated beliefs. I 100% reject any man-made additions given from Paulotheistic believers, Pagan Constantine believers, Pagan King James version believers, Druids, and any revisions from deceitful scribes and scholars whose only interests were to blend and combine religions and secure political power over their little kingdoms in order to make pagans "happy" and comfortable to "convert" a little.
Further causing separation and "denominations", which is completely unholy and clearly written in the bible to avoid. Sorry, but I'm not into "cherry picking". My God is the God of Adam, the God of Abraham, the God of Moses, and the God of Yeshua (aka Jesus due to innacurate translation... among many, a Hebrew name, it is NOT the Greek name). No deities allowed to be added, no romanized pagan trinities. Just God. And only God. Man can not bring man to heaven. Only God.
So, now I have to also pray for man-worshipping believers, such as yourself Leidenschaftlich für Wahr, that you will learn to only bow before one God and no other, any other is complete paganism and a grave sin. But, unfortunately for you, you will be the one who will be forced by God Himself to bow only to Him.
"Thou shalt have no other gods before Me.” (Exodus 20:3)...in case you are not familiar with the first commandment.
"Thus does God command you, that you may remember. Verily, this is my straight path: follow it, and do not follow other paths which will separate you from God's path. Thus does God command you, that you may be righteous.” Qur'an 6:151-153
speakez66,
You have made a good point with that post.
However I think that the return of Jesus Christ is much sooner than 200o years from now.
Most of the prophesies for the return have been fulfilled.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
Well, to each his own.Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
Golden_Girl,
Yes, that is the way it is.
Fred
Maybe a little off topic, but I wanted to intervene. While I have no interest in religion, one thing does interest me (that no religion I know of has an answer to other than Mormonism) and that is the question of the origin of consciousness. You know, what makes me me and not you? What is it that made me inhabit my body and be born a male (and a gay one at that)?Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
Caddy,
Well as you already know, I am a fundy and I believe the Bible to be absolute truth. So the answer to your question, if I understand it correctly, would be the LORD himself...
Jeremiah 1:5
Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you. Before you were born, I set you apart for my holy purpose
Notice he said BEFORE the womb he knew you...
See the Mormons believe that we pre-existed our entry into this world as spirit beings with god and that we had consciousness and identity. Then, according to them, we enter this world and aren't able to recall our prior existence and that our presence here is a testing ground of sorts. Now of course I don't believe any of it, but at least it's an explanation. Your bible quote really is no answer because all it could mean is that we existed in the mind of god before we were born, not necessarily that we had consciousness. In other words, we didn't really exist or have consciousness but that god in his foreknowledge knew we would exist in the future and knew us in that sense. But thanks for the try.Quote:
Originally Posted by classyT
Hi, Golden Girl.
Scripture samples for your consideration.
Gen 1:26
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
(KJV)
Obviously, a singular person would not say US.
John 8:58
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
(KJV)
A statement that can only be made by an immortal
Matt 28:18
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
(KJV)
Here's something else to consider; have you ever seen anyone healed of a physical condition throough prayer in the name of Mohammed?
I have seen people healed in the name of Jesus.
Maranatha!
Galveston thanks for your opinion as you are entitled to it. But, that will not make me to "re-convert". The question being asked was "Who is Jesus to you?", I knew once I answered with my opinion all sorts of people were going to rush and try and attack me for my statement. But the question was "Who is Jesus to you?", so if that is what Jesus is to you, I am not going to try and force you to change your decision. But, I'll definitely defend Why I said what I said and back it up with ful evidence.
In deed he was a great prophet from God and performed many miracles just as some of the other prophets had done before him. Some people say, "well he was the son of God"... so was Adam and God's angels and it was mentioned in the bible, but does that mean that Adam and the angels Are therefore God? Nope.
As I had mentioned before, unfortunately, the bible has been, and still is, diluted and causing further divisions and sects of beliefs. There were hundreds of scholars who were used to create and re-create different versions of the bible over the centuries. Scholars cannot fully agree with the work of other scholars. Sorry, but no translation was "inspired", because they were put together, altered, and adulterated by men.
The bible has been numerously altered with man-made fabricated beliefs. I 100% reject any man-made additions given from Paulotheistic believers, Constantine believers, King James version believers, Druids, and any revisions from deceitful scribes and scholars whose only interests were to blend and combine religions and help their kings/emporers to secure political power over their little kingdoms in order to make pagans "happy" and comfortable to "convert" a little.
I do not believe the entire bible is false, but it is a proven fact (even from biblical scholars) that the bible has suffered many alterations, deletions, and additions due to personal and selfish reasons. Your fact and scriptural "evidence" versus my scriptural evidence only further proves the fact that in hundreds of biblical passages are contradicting itself. It states this... and yet it states that. How do you know 100% for sure that that was what he said since many wordings have been added AND deleted? Faith is one thing, and something good to have, and yet truth and evidence is another as God does not want us to be blinded from the falsehood of others who thought it was kind of them to make such alterations.
Your question asked was "Here's something else to consider; have you ever seen anyone healed of a physical condition throough prayer in the name of Mohammed?"
-Number one Galveston, Mohammed NEVER claimed to be devine or a god. He was the last prophet that was actually prophesied in the bible and the torah.
-Mohammed had great respect for Jesus( Isa/Yeshuah).
-He died just as any other mortal.
-Prophet Mohammed did perform miracles only through GOD, as Mohammed was only mortal, he had always made this known.
So, please carefully read and understand and learn the facts first, that is very important.
A few references:
Miracles of Muhammad - Jews for Allah
ABOUT ISLAAM \ Who is Muhammad?
What Did Jesus Really Say ? - Table Of Contents
Prophet Jesus (PBUH) Never Claimed Divinity By Dr. Jamal Badawi
What Did Jesus Really Say ? - Summary: What is a "Trinity"?
The Trinity Doctrine. True or False ?
Is There a Right and Wrong Translation of the Bible?
The Trinity -- Fact or Fiction?
Jesus Christ: Prophet, Priest, and King
The Truth about Jesus Christ
What are the ERRORS in the King James Version Bible? - Part 1 of 2
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Golden_Girl
John 3:8 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
1 John 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
Matthew 1:3 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
The Massorah does exist todayQuote:
Originally Posted by Golden_Girl
The Sopherim were the authorized revisers of the Sacred Text; and, their work being completed, the Massorites were the authorized custodians of it. Their work was to preserve it. The Massorah is called "A Fence to the Scriptures," because it locked all words and letters in their places.
The Text itself had been fixed before the Massorites were put in charge of it. This had been the work of the Sopherim. Their work, under Ezra and Nehemiah, was to set the Text in order after the return from Babylon; and we read of it in Neh. 8:8 (*1) (cp. Ezra 7:6, 11). The men of "the Great Synagogue" completed the work. This work lasted about 110 years, from Nehemiah to Simon the first, 410 - 300 B.C.
Example of the Massorah locked in by numbers to refer back to the original Sacred Text
Replied to satan:
Matthew 4:4 But 1161 he answered 611 and said 2036 , It is written 1125 , Man 444 shall 2198 0 not 3756 live 2198 by 1909 bread 740 alone 3441, but 235 by 1909 every 3956 word 4487 that proceedeth 1607 out of 1223 the mouth 4750 of God 2316.
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