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I think an evolutionist scientist fits that description since they ignore basic scientific principles when it suits them, discard evidence when it doesn't fit their precious ideas, all of which is blatantly anti-scientific.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freethinka
:p "Onward christian soldiers marching on to war, with the cross of JC movin on the fore":pQuote:
Originally Posted by METERRE
Please elaborate on this evidence and these principles which are ignored.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starman
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Originally Posted by Freethinka
What you are describing is well-meaning but misguided apostasy from the clear Christian behavioral requirements found in the NT. I know it's popular to do so these days but the Bible doesn't support the idea of calling people who might be behaving satanically Christians.
Matthew 7:20 "Wherefore, by their fruits ye shall know them"...
Hubble images of dying stars force cosmic reconsiderationQuote:
Originally Posted by otto186
December 17, 1997
Web posted at: 5:51 p.m. EST (2251 GMT)
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- New data gathered by NASA's Hubble Space Telescope reveal that sun-like stars are dying in a much more spectacular way than previously assumed, forcing scientists to rethink their theories on the process.
The images also cast new light on the final moments of our own sun, which is expected to die about 5 billion years from now.
Astronomers on Wednesday revealed pictures showing surprisingly intricate glowing patterns spun into space by dying stars. The shapes are reminiscent of pinwheels, lawn sprinkler-style jets, elegant goblet shapes, and rocket engine exhausts.
The new pictures show the dying stars emitting nebulous gasses in what scientists have dubbed a "final blaze of glory" as a star expands before burning out and becoming what is known as a white dwarf.
Scientists say that the new Hubble pictures completely overturn the current assumption that sun-like stars gracefully cast off a shell of glowing gas and then settle into a long retirement as a burned-out white dwarf.
"The first time we looked at the Hubble's breathtaking pictures, we knew that our older and simpler ideas of how these objects are formed had to be overhauled," said Howard Bond of the Space Telescope Science Institute.
Scientists point out that while the data are predominantly about stars dying, they are also about cosmic rebirth, since the heavier elements (like carbon) cooked in the stars are ejected into interstellar space as raw material for successive generations of stars, planets and, potentially, life.
Among the surprising new details revealed by the Hubble pictures:
Unexplained disks and "donuts" of dust girdling a star, which pinch outflowing gas.
Remarkably sharp, inner bubbles of glowing gas blown out by the violently outflowing gasses. This is called a "fast wind" (1,000 miles/sec) ejected during the final stages of a star's death.
Jets of high-speed particles that shoot out in opposite directions from a star and plow through surrounding gas, like a garden hose stream hitting a sand pile.
Pinwheel patterns formed by symmetrical ejection of material so that intricate structures are mirrored on the opposite side of a star.
This photo compares a ground-based image (L) taken under optimum conditions with a new image from Hubble
Bond said that these nebulae depicted in the new Hubble pictures also give a preview of our own sun's fate: "Some 5 billion years from now, after the sun has become a red giant and burned the Earth to cinder, it will eject its own beautiful nebula and then fade away as a white dwarf star."
Please follow this link for the pictures-
http://www.cnn.com/TECH/9712/17/nasa.hubble/
Ain't nothing wrong with asking questions, but it strikes me that you aren't really that interested in the answers to those questions. I can no more prove to you that Jesus lives than you can prove that "In the very beginning there was nothing except for a plasma soup." I can only testify of my experience, that once I was blind, but now I see. That's how I know Jesus lives, and it's the only way you'll know He lives - by believing, accepting and experiencing the transformation that comes with faith in Christ. Nothing scary about that, it's just how it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freethinka
Steve
You just proved MY point. In the article you copied and pasted our sun is expected to last another 5 billion years. So again I say, it is a scientific fact that the sun will rise again.Quote:
Originally Posted by firmbeliever
LOL! Wasn't my intention, but glad to have been of help.Quote:
Originally Posted by otto186
Just something I found on the net and thought it was relevant to your point.
But I must say this, scientists also did not think that global warming will affect as it is affecting today, they were thinking of a few 50 to 100 years down the line... so who knows what these scientific facts will continue to prove.
It does say that the sun may last 5 billion years, but the scientists do predict its death, so our children's great grand children might be the one's waking up to a sunless world... maybe not you or I.
Just a thought!!
Thank you for that info! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by firmbeliever
Here's just a thought. There are Christian soldiers in the war in Iraq. As you must know all those middle east countries do not believe in the Christian Bible or Jesus. Perhaps some of those soldiers might be trying to spread God's word?? Any comments or corrections on this?
I have been overseas. I fought in Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom. I also participated in the Battle of Fallujah in 2004. My experience, they are just as hard headed there as we are here. They have no problem having a conversaion about differences, or if you're just curious and want to learn. But just like with Christianity, there is no other God before their own, Allah.Quote:
Originally Posted by METERRE
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Originally Posted by otto186
I think for muslims the difference to other religions is that we already believe that Moses,Noah,Jesus etc are special/beloved in the sight of Allah, and believe they are among our messengers, hence they are not too keen on accepting them as Gods/demi gods.
Another thing is specially when people are defending their very own lives,their families it must be hard enough keeping faith or it could be Only faith that keeps them going.
Did you really fight in the war, must have seen things that are harsh and cruel.
:) :)
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Originally Posted by otto186
I think for muslims the difference to other religions is that we already believe that Moses,Noah,Jesus etc are special/beloved in the sight of Allah, and believe they are among our messengers, hence they are not too keen on accepting them as Gods/demi gods.
Another thing is specially when people are defending their very own lives,their families it must be hard enough keeping faith or it could be Only faith that keeps them going.
Did you really fight in the war, must have seen things that are harsh and cruel.
:) :) :( :(
Sorry about the repetition,something went wrong here..
Why do we need proof of jesus? Other than our own personal proofs.
Faith!
I have seen people I trust and admire, who are rational people, who would never lie to me, tell me face to face, that jesus exists, that they have felt gods touch, and that is enough to me.
I walk into a room, our church, and see so many people that I have grown to trust and admire in one place.
Are there like 50 people, in one place, who you would trust with your life? Who all believe the same thing?
I've gone to catholic churches all throughout my life because my parents took me, the sad thing is that I can tell just by looking at a glance around the room, that at least 60% of the people there don't quite have anything to be doing there. Not trying to offend them in any way but I think it's the truth. I mean, women fixing their hair, scolding their restless children, guys looking at girls. Minds wandering off, chatter, in shorter words, their mind and soul aren't focused on the point of being there. So I guess what I'm saying is, I haven't seen 50 people at once in which I would ever trust with my life.
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Originally Posted by METERRE
Well you must be really dumb because Jesus was middleastern. 30 percent of palestinians are christian. 50 percent of lebanon is christian you idiot. Their prince is christian. Look this up... why would you take this away from them? The bells go off on sundays in Iran for Churches. You need to meet more middle eastern people. I can't believe this post thinks everyone in the middle east does not believe in Jesus? Muslims even believe in JEsus! Their holy book talks about MAry for an entire chapter. Go to your local book store and read on this...
If you are going to post something, please research before you post. Lebanon is only 39% Christian, and 60% Muslim. The U.A.E. (which is where I was deployed to) is 96% Muslim.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mario3
You were right on one part, they do believe in Jesus, but only as a messenger to mankind. The God of Gods in the Muslim religion is Allah.
You were way off point. METERRE was referring to Americans spreading the word of God. He/she (sorry I'm not sure) never said anything about taking anything away from them. You owe this person an apology, and do everyone a favor and read posts more carefully before responding.
Once again I must clarify myself. I do know that there are Christians in those countries, but what I had in mind was that they don't believe in Jesus like we do. As in the Son of God, just like someone else stated. I never said I thought everyone in those countries don't believe in God or Jesus. And of course I know that no matter in what language you say God, he's still considered the same being. Excuse me for my confusing posts.
And who doesn't know that Jesus was from one of those countries? It's so not my intention to take anything away from them. Sorry if in any way I offended anyone.
Let me tell you something mario3, calling someone an idiot right off the bat says a lot more about you, than it really does about the other person. Before you judge someone just take a look at yourself first.
And just to pinpoint something my post was just a simple suggestion which I asked for correction, I mean, no one has all the answers. But really thanks anyway for your info.
This is the information I was looking at : Islam Guide: What Do Muslims Believe about Jesus?Quote:
Originally Posted by Apple Crisp
If its wrong, I apologize. But it says here that Jesus was a messenger, it never says prophet. If messenger and prophet are the same thing, well it looks like I learned something new.
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Originally Posted by otto186
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" Behold! Allah took the covenant of the prophets, saying: "I give you a Book and Wisdom; then comes to you a messenger, confirming what is with you; do ye believe in him and render him help." Allah said: "Do ye agree, and take this my Covenant as binding on you?" They said: "We agree." He said: "Then bear witness, and I am with you among the witnesses."
Excerpts from the following link-
http://www.quran-islam.org/113.html
"Verse 3:81, among many other verses, provides the definitions of "Nabi" (Prophet) and "Rasoul" (Messenger). Thus, "Nabi" is a messenger of God who delivers a new scripture, while "Rasoul" is a messenger commissioned by God to confirm existing scripture; he does not bring a new scripture. According to the Quran, every "Nabi" is a "Rasoul," but not every "Rasoul" is a "Nabi." It is not logical that God will give a scripture to a prophet, then ask him to keep it exclusively for himself, as stated by some Muslim "scholars" (2:42, 146, 159).
The Quranic definition of Prophet, and how all the prophets were given Scripture to deliver, is also confirmed in the following verse:
"The people used to be one community when God sent THE PROPHETS as bearers of good news, as well as warners. HE SENT DOWN WITH THEM THE SCRIPTURE, bearing the truth, to judge among the people in their disputes" 2:213
"In other terms ALL THE PROPHETS are MESSENGERS, but NOT ALL the MESSENGERS are PROPHETS."
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Hope the above is helpful... :) :)
I sit in my church, and I can actually count about 50 people who are intent on what the pastor is saying and who either pray or sing and who all believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by METERRE
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Originally Posted by Freethinka
Does Jesus live? Yes, He is alive, raised from the dead on the third day after his crucificaxtion by the Romans. That is FACT and History, proven. His is the only tomb that is empty!
How much longer before he come back? No one knows. So live each day as the ulitmate special guest (Jesus Christ) would and could be arriving.
It is clear that you are very torn between two sides of yourself; shown by your questions and responses but also by referencing yourself in the third person.
Before Jesus was crucified Pilate asked Him a question:
36 Jesus answered, “My Kingdom is not an earthly kingdom. If it were, my followers would fight to keep me from being handed over to the Jewish leaders. But my Kingdom is not of this world.”
37 Pilate said, “So you are a king?”
Jesus responded, “You say I am a king. Actually, I was born and came into the world to testify to the truth. All who love the truth recognize that what I say is true.”
Jesus responded that people who love the truth hear what He is saying is true. I think you seek the TRUTH not just answers. I would recommend that you would pray that the TRUTH would be revealed to you personally.
We can all give our opinions and debate but what it comes down to is what you hear and hopefully that ends up being the TRUTH
Well I wouldn't go as far as saying it is fact and is proven. It is written up in a book that man wrote. People don't even know where the grave was.Quote:
Originally Posted by mountain_man
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Originally Posted by NeedKarma
So ALL historic events have been proven beyond being written in a book by man? ALso can you disprove that this event took place? Because this event was witnessed by many people when it occurred... and written down like many other events in history
I agree with you mountain man :) and those people that wrote the bible were inspired by God, in so much that I could actually say that God used their hands to write the bible, to the unbeliever this might sounds foolish, but what is foolish to sinners is greatness to God
You're correct, of course, all of our knowledge of the past comes from human writing and as such is very liable to bias and fabrication. Historians accept this and it is their job to determine what happened and what didn't. Your point doesn't back up the Bible as truth as I think you think it does, but you point out that the rest of history could be innaccurate in places, which is widely accepted. Of course we have archaeological and relical evidence for much of history, too, not just human writings, this helps to make sure that the words are accurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by mountain_man
There is archaeological and relical evidence to the bible, as the places described in it are all real and many of them have been found.
Im muslim and I can tell some true facts from our holly Quran... the story is as GOD delivered it to prophet Muhamed " Jesus ,the son of virgin Mary was not killed nor was he hung or anything but instead another man who looked exactly like him and GOD has made Jesus and his spirit rise to him so people thought he was killed ,Jesus is also now alive but up in heaven and when the signs of the end of the world come ,Jesus will come down and will kill a very evil creature not sure if he's human who will have like magic powers and will try to make people believe that his god and then Jesus would die on earth land after he kills that creature and then life would end and every person would go to either heaven or hell )
Hope its helpful and its true :)
budgiebreeder,Quote:
Originally Posted by budgiebreeder
What you are talking about is the AntiChrist or the Dajjal as muslims call it.
And what you say is true that Jesus (Peace be upon him) will return to earth near the end of times as muslims believe and all those who has been lying about him will see the truth.
And after the AntiChrist is killed there will be peace on earth for a long time as muslims believe and after that (no ones know when) will come the day of Resurrection.
:)
I don't think many dispute the fact that many of the places names are real.Quote:
Originally Posted by cal823
Just putting this out there Revalations was written by a man who was trapped on a desserted island without any food or water. How do we know it's true- perhaps he was hallucinating, or maybe because he was dying he thought he saw G-d and the end of the world coming. How can you be sure that the end of the world is coming at all? How do you know that the Messiah has already come...
Are you asking specifically for a christian viewpoint? Or...Quote:
Originally Posted by Gernald
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