I hadn't realized it was a silly game. Both my heart and soul have been involved in it, hoping for a lively discussion. Okay, I'll post no more in this thread.
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I hadn't realized it was a silly game. Both my heart and soul have been involved in it, hoping for a lively discussion. Okay, I'll post no more in this thread.
Fair enough. We don't seem to play well together anyway. I'm sure a good deal of the fault lies with me.
Your "arguments" completely miss the message of Jesus. You wind up, in effect, promoting eternal punishment over the saving message of love. I have a good idea WHY you act in this way, but I've noted it many times before and I don't think it serves any purpose to do it again.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I can only advise you to again read what you've written in placing hell over heaven (so to speak - but you probably won't understand that), and then read the Gospels in an attempt to get the real message (you might want to ask the Holy Spirit for guidance).
I'm quite sure you won't take my advice, but good luck anyway.
In this thread I have responded to your points, but I haven't advanced an argument or promoted any message. I simply asked how you felt you could determine the "genuine attitudes" of Jesus. As my summary above plainly shows , you have not been able to describe any logical method. I did have an objective in mind. I wanted to demonstrate to any reader here, and hopefully to you as well, that you are using nothing more substantial than your own intuition and prejudices about the matter. That certainly would appear to be true.Quote:
Your "arguments" completely miss the message of Jesus. You wind up, in effect, promoting eternal punishment over the saving message of love. I have a good idea WHY you act in this way, but I've noted it many times before and I don't think it serves any purpose to do it again
Jesus' "genuine attitudes", core values:
- 1. Do the right thing for the right reasons - Matthew 6:1-4, 5-8
- 2. Follow God's agenda, not one's own - Matthew 6:9-13
- 3. Forgive others - Matthew 6:14-15
- 4. Prioritize eternal things, not temporal ones - Matthew 6:19-24
- 5. Do not worry - Matthew 6:25-31
- 6. Seek the kingdom first - Matthew 6:33-34
- 7. Do not judge others - Matthew 7:1-5
- 8. If you want something, keep asking - Matthew 7:7-11
- 9. Stay true to your convictions - Matthew 7:13- 20
- 10. Obey God - Matthew 7:21-27
- 11. Show love to others - John 15:12
How do you know they are the "core values" of His "genuine attitudes"?
Why didn't these passages from Mt. 5 make your list?
20 “For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.
21 “You have heard that [k]the ancients were told, ‘You shall not commit murder’ and ‘Whoever commits murder shall be [l]liable to the court.’ 22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be [m]guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, ‘[n]You good-for-nothing,’ shall be [o]guilty before [p]the supreme court; and whoever says, ‘You fool,’ shall be [q]guilty enough to go into the [r]fiery hell. 23 Therefore if you are presenting your [s]offering at the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your [t]offering there before the altar and go; first be reconciled to your brother, and then come and present your [u]offering.
27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery’; 28 but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye makes you [w]stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you [x]to lose one of the parts of your body, [y]than for your whole body to be thrown into [z]hell. 30 If your right hand makes you [aa]stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; for it is better for you [ab]to lose one of the parts of your body, [ac]than for your whole body to go into [ad]hell.
33 “Again, you have heard that [ag]the ancients were told, ‘[ah]You shall not [ai]make false vows, but shall fulfill your [aj]vows to the Lord.’ 34 But I say to you, make no oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God, 35 or by the earth, for it is the footstool of His feet, or [ak]by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. 36 Nor shall you make an oath by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black. 37 But let your statement be, ‘Yes, yes’ or ‘No, no’; anything beyond these is [al]of evil.
When I asked a question, you kicked me and said we were playing a "silly game" (yet I was excited because our posts were crisp and clean and not inundated with verbiage). Is there any way to please you?
As I posted earlier in this thread, "Not showing love is sin. Every sin we commit is because we aren't showing love somehow." None of us show love consistently, all the time. Why is that failing a ticket to eternal damnation?
If you don't want to answer, then that's fine. Your choice.
But you might want to go back an look at the question that started this whole thread and see how that might apply to your post.
Thus, I can never give a complete response. There will always be something missing or incorrect, according to you. My responses will never be good enough for you.
I really can't put it any nicer or more accurately than this.
If you don't want to answer, then that's fine. Your choice, but you might want to go back and look at the question that started this whole thread and see how that might apply to your post.
I'll add this. It's not about conclusions. It's about the method you use to arrive at that conclusion. That's why I asked you, "How do you know they are the 'core values' of His 'genuine attitudes?'" It's not a mean question. It addresses the core question of this thread.
You didn't see the Bible reference after each one?Quote:
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An assortment of scriptures is not a methodology. Why, for instance, did you not include the Mt. 5 scriptures? Why not the Mt. 25 passage?
Methodology...right. And your questions make no sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I tried to avoid this descent into mischief. And why are you "allowed" to ask questions but I'm not?
Because you refuse to answer questions.
Then why do you ask them?Quote:
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Hope springs eternal?
Why don't you answer mine?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Which one?
Post #39.Quote:
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