I foretold my second coming on this here post-it note. Also I have an account of my resurrection on THE SAME POST-IT NOTE!!

I assume this is enough to secure me a second coming.

Lol Good sense of humour.

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Originally Posted by Capuchin

I foretold my second coming on this here post-it note. Also I have an account of my ressurection on THE SAME POST-IT NOTE!!!

I assume this is enough to secure me a second coming.

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Okay--if you're THAAAAT good--make me a post-it note for a winning the Mega-Millions ticket... if it works, I'll gladly print this out and paste it into my Bible along with all the other good stuff!

:p

I now worship Capuchin.

Yeah you better, or I will smite you and send you to hell. Oh yeah I'm an all loving, all forgiving god by the way.

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Originally Posted by Capuchin

Yeah you better, or i will smite you and send you to hell. Oh yeah i'm an all loving, all forgiving god btw.

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Capucin,
If joking & showing disrespect for Christianity was your goal for commenting here- trust me, Christians have NOTHING to learn from you. Acting childish, (along with the other poster) may fool kids, but the only one to worship is God. Not yourself, not psychics or idolatry. When you can stop thinking about yourself & concentrate on service for others then maturity happens. I'll be praying for you that you come to see the light of Jesus!

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Originally Posted by Retrotia

but the only one to worship is God.

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It may come as a surprise to you but there are many religions on this planet that worship various things or people. They all claim that their god is the only one.

I don't believe in God, I believe that a man named Jesus walked the Earth, but I don't believe that there was anything very special about him. I am however insulted that you believe that I think of myself over others. I don't need Christianity to be able to do that.

I'm absolutely fine with the fact that others have found comfort in Christianity, I believe that religion has it's place in the human psyche. It's when people let religion take over their psyche to the detriment of reason that I don't understand.

My points were that I believe Jesus and his mates were guys who could tell a good story, and that belief in the Bible is just like belief in any other book. Maybe my last comment about an all loving god was a little too harsh a stab, so I apologise for that one.

You're welcome to your beliefs, I just wanted to make mine heard.

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Originally Posted by galveston

What are your thoughts about the return of Jesus Christ? Do you think it will be before, during, or after the Great Tribulation? Do you believe it will happen, or not?

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Afterwards.

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Originally Posted by galveston

What are your thoughts about the return of Jesus Christ? Do you think it will be before, during, or after the Great Tribulation? Do you believe it will happen, or not?

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The Parousia appears to me to be the culmination, the apocalyptic event that intervenes and concludes the period of tribulation of which the scriptures speak.

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Originally Posted by Capuchin

I don't believe in God, I believe that a man named Jesus walked the Earth, but I don't believe that there was anything very special about him. I am however insulted that you believe that I think of myself over others. I don't need Christianity to be able to do that.

I'm absolutely fine with the fact that others have found comfort in Christianity, I believe that religion has it's place in the human psyche. It's when people let religion take over their psyche to the detriment of reason that I don't understand.

My points were that I believe Jesus and his mates were guys who could tell a good story, and that belief in the Bible is just like belief in any other book. Maybe my last comment about an all loving god was a little too harsh a stab, so I apologise for that one.

You're welcome to your beliefs, I just wanted to make mine heard.

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A couple of questions:

1. What would you consider to be a healthy and reasonable balance between religion and reason?

2. Is it your opinion that all religion is unreasonable?

3. (OK, three) Do you hold all reason to be irreligious?

I look forward to reading your answers.



M:)RGANITE

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

It may come as a surprise to you but there are many religions on this planet that worship various things or people. They all claim that their god is the only one.

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That is except those who are openly pantheistic, Hinduism for example.


M:)

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Originally Posted by Capuchin

I would like to add that many millions of people have died, and exactly zero have returned. The odds look very slim for Mr. Christ.

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The book that is the sole witness to the life of Jesus, who you believe was an historic figure, tells otherwise.

Mathew 27.50-53

¶ Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.


I am curious why you accept the gospeller's witness about the historical life of Jesus, but deny his witness of parallel events.




M:)RGANITE



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That's because they have not been resurrected. Until the end of the Tribulations, when Messiah returns and begins his 1000 year reign...no one who has died will be here.

But then if you listen to any of these psychics--the dead people are all over the place--just seems that only certain people can see them...(I'm rolling my eyes right now!)

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Have you forgotten Matthew 27:52-53?

And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.


M:)






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Originally Posted by magprob

I agree 100% that some organizations do everything they can to help. I know that a lot of Christians give every Sunday and then go home. They think that if their money does good then good and they feel better. If the church uses their money to buy cigars, booze and hookers, then so what? As long as they gave in good faith, then they are still blessed. I would rather buy a homeless guy a burger. Then I know where it went. I went to a church one time and the preacher said all he needed was a new Mercedes. He then proceeded to put everyone there on a guilt trip about it. People started pulling out the check books. That was in 1982. I have not been back to church.
Benny Hinn said he needed 90 million dollars to build a new church. After he got the 90 million, he built an ocean front home. When asked what happened to the new church he smugly replied, GOD changed his mind.
We do create our reality and this is the reality we have created by putting it in others hands. If we all just did one thing a day, on our own, we wouldn't need them-all problems would be solved.

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We ought not to blame Christanity for what some deviant Christians do. Christianity should be judged by its philosophical basis, its moral teachings, its spiritual foundations, its hopes and expectations, both in and out of the world, and also for the great good it does and has done in the lives of billions of people.

While it is true that some awful things have been done under the cloak of religion, that ought not prevent us from seeing into the heart of it and measuring it by its goals and successes, rather than by the excesses and failures of some of its adherents.

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Originally Posted by Morganite

Have you forgotten Matthew 27:52-53?

And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.


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Yes, but that was then. Jesus also resurected Lazarus. But he and none of the others resurrected live on. Their human bodies eventually died again.

At this time no one walking the Earth is resurrected and there won't be any resurrection until Messiah returns.

I'm not a scholar, I do read the Bible each day along with other publications. But this is the way I understand it for myself.

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Yes, but that was then. Jesus also resurected Lazarus. But he and none of the others resurrected live on. Their human bodies eventually died again.

At this time no one walking the Earth is resurrected and there won't be any resurrection until Messiah returns.

I'm not a scholar, I do read the Bible each day along with other publications. But this is the way I understand it for myself.

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I can accept that Lazarus was brought back from the dead by revivification rather than resurrection because Jesus was the 'firstfruits of them that slept' but after his resurrection there is nothing to show that those who rose after him were then subject to mortality a second time.

The Bilical record is silent.

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Originally Posted by Morganite

Have you forgotten Matthew 27:52-53?

And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.


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Morganite,
You're kidding, aren't you? To make any comparison to Matthew 27:50-53 to anything to do with what psychics tells me you are not serious.
Most would argue that it might have to do with the "spirits in prison" or the O.T. saints be resurrected if anything- but you show your lack of Biblical literacy with your statement where it pertains to what the Bible clearly is NOT silent about- which is psychics(one kind of witchcraft).
The Bible records several physical resurrections that have taken place. Once these people lived out their lives they died & are waiting to be brought back to life in one of the other ressurections. Some examples are given in 1Kings 17:17-24; 2Kings 4:32-37;13:20-21;Matthew 27:50-53;Luke 7:11-15;8:41-42; John11:1-4,11-14,17-44; Acts9:36-42... and more.
I believe Matthew 27:50-53 to be another miracle of Jesus. There is something symbolic to the timing but I haven't put my finger on it yet.
But the Bible is not silent about that once we attain the Resurrection, we will not die anymore(Luke 20:35-36).
So I see nothing besides miracles that some people got to live with their loved ones again on earth in Matthew 27:50-53.
So Morganite, what ARE you referring to, please?

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The Parousia appears to me to be the culmination, the apocalyptic event that intervenes and concludes the period of tribulation of which the scriptures speak.

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So in your view, what will be the position of believers during the Great Tribulation?

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Originally Posted by Capuchin

I don't believe in God, I believe that a man named Jesus walked the Earth, but I don't believe that there was anything very special about him. I am however insulted that you believe that I think of myself over others. I don't need Christianity to be able to do that.

I'm absolutely fine with the fact that others have found comfort in Christianity, I believe that religion has it's place in the human psyche. It's when people let religion take over their psyche to the detriment of reason that I don't understand.

My points were that I believe Jesus and his mates were guys who could tell a good story, and that belief in the Bible is just like belief in any other book. Maybe my last comment about an all loving god was a little too harsh a stab, so I apologise for that one.

You're welcome to your beliefs, I just wanted to make mine heard.

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Healing sick people, walking on water, and raising the dead doesn't make one special? What would it take to qualify for that in your opinion?