Akoue,
You asked this of Tj3, "And here it is again. Kindly justify your assertion that the Catholic Church originated not in the first century but in the fourth. What event or events of the fourth century lead you to suppose that it was then that the Catholic Church was founded?" Others have asked the same thing of him but he cannot produce anything that overturns what Holy Scripture and actual history says though he has tried to do so.
I doubt that he will try to do so with you or De Maria, or Rickj.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Tj3,
I make NO false accusation and never have.
You twisted what De Marian said and he pointed that out to you.
Fred

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Originally Posted by arcura

Akoue,
You asked this of Tj3, "And here it is again. Kindly justify your assertion that the Catholic Church originated not in the first century but in the fourth. What event or events of the fourth century lead you to suppose that it was then that the Catholic Church was founded?" Others have asked the same thing of him but he cannot produce anything that overturns what Holy Scripture and actual history says though he has tried to do so.
I doubt that he will try to do so with you or De Maria, or Rickj.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

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It is not the topic of this thread and Akoue seems to fear starting a new thread. I have, however, posted information on this topic before on this and other boards.

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Tj3,
I make NO false accusation and never have.
You twisted what De Marian said and he pointed that out to you.
Fred

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Fred,

Falsely accuse if you wish. I believe that the truth is more God honouring.

Tj3,
I'll say it one more time.
I DO NOT make false accusations.
Not only is it wrong to do so it is also a sin.
That is why I do not make them.
The best I can do it to tell the truth so that is what I do.
Like it or not.
Fred

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Tj3,
I'll say it one more time.
I DO NOT make false accusations.
Not only is it wrong to do so it is also a sin.

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Just saying that you don't means little when you just did so.

I am glad that you agree that it is a sin.

Tj3,
Please go back to discussing the OP.
I asked it and those are the answers I want.
Thanks,
Fred

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It is not the topic of this thread and Akoue seems to fear starting a new thread. I have, however, posted information on this topic before on this and other boards.

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You have spent more time dodging this question than it would have taken you to answer it. And no, you have never answered it for me. When I was first a member you made the same claim and I asked you about it then. De Maria was part of the discussion and he also encouraged you to explain yourself. Since then I have asked you many times, and each time you have hidden from it. You insist, quite doggedly, that others substantiate their claims. I wonder why you resist playing by your own rules.

And no, I'm not going to start a thread on this topic since you know that the mods would promptly delete it. Lots of similar thread topics have been deleted or radically altered in recent months. If I know that, then surely you know it too, and so your "challenge" is a hollow one.

If you're ashamed to bring it into the light of day maybe you could PM me with it sometime. Although it does seem a shame to deny others the entertainment of reading it.

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Throughout scripture, men are referred to as stones (piece of a rock) whereas Jesus is referred to as the Rock.

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Where do you get that from? Abraham is here regarded as a Rock:

Isaiah 51:1
Hearken to me, ye that follow after righteousness, ye that seek the LORD: look unto the rock whence ye are hewn, and to the hole of the pit whence ye are digged. 2Look unto Abraham your father, and unto Sarah that bare you: for I called him alone, and blessed him, and increased him.

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This verse in ( Isaiah 51:1) is actually enforcement of the " rock" that Christ comes through.. His birth right. It is the very verse that brings forth Our Father's truth of "The Key of David" .. Note: The church of Phiadelphia in (Revelation 3:7) is shown to remain true, and has The Key of David which opens a door that no man can shut..And shuts what no man can open.. This Key of David is the rock birth hertiage of Christ.

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Matthew 16:19
And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

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Scripture of verse 16:19 of Matthew, shows indeed that Peter was given the keys of heaven, it was reveal by God to Peter... Those keys are The Way, The Light which are in Christ = The Key of David.. Peter's love for Christ was shown in evident indenity and was the greatest of all in stedfast faith in Christ...

The representation of a name such as Peter, was worn as his birth given integrity. To remain solid as a rock in his love for Christ was stedfast belief, and unity in Christ... This was all given to Peter by God revealing His own truth to Peter.

We build our house upon that Truth, the love for Christ.. And knowing hear as the verses in (Matthew 7:22-26) tell us. Note: posted in # 29 ..

It is important to open the door to Christ, His name known to represent the " Anointed One"

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sndbay,
Jesus built HIS Church on a rock called Peter and the gates of heal have not prevailed against it for 2000 years as Jesus promised.
I do believe what Jesus said and did.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

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Fred you hear Christ, and His Way, His Light is the Life... Peter accepted Christ, and loved Christ.. Peter followed Christ... The House of God is for thankfulness and praise to Christ the Anointed One, our Saviour and Lord. Your faith is the Christian faith that Peter proclaimed. Do we agree?

Matthew 18:18-19 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. 19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.

I will address TJ3 report of this,

As I told him, if it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck and looks like a duck.

Or we can be told by our actions and beleifs.

I can state for a fact, the teachings of TJ3 are not Catholic, thus they have to be protestant,

I would say that if anyone is misrepresenting what they are it is TJ3 thierself

By the way this is closed