Ask Me Help Desk - Who are the evil ones who say Lord, Lord?

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Originally Posted by De Maria

Your desire to judge other people's souls is hardly a judgement. You have made it obvious.

I think that when a person accuses one of judging, and judges that person in so doing, that is called hypocrisy.

Now, I can understand that you feel convicted when I quote scripture - God's word as a way of doing that, but take that up with God.

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Originally Posted by Tj3

My gospel

We follow Jesus and the Apostles.

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depends solely on the faithfulness of God, not on the works of men.

God said that our faithfulness was made manifest by our works.

James 2:18
Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

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Originally Posted by De Maria

Isaiah 64:6 6But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

That is why our works alone and even our faith is not enough to merit salvation.

But God crowns His own works:

Hebrews 13:21
Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Exactly. We have no righteousness, and when we who are saved do good works, we receive crowns as rewards that we later toss at the feet of Him who rightly desires the honour for even our good works.

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Originally Posted by Tj3

Tell me, after how many times will you finally acknowledge it? If you won't listen after "X" times, why should I think that you will listen after "X + 1" times?

Kindly point me to the post where you explained in a detailed way my error regarding Eph.2.8-9. I've re-read the thread and seem to have missed it. You know, the one where you explain to me that you didn't overlook the semicolon between the clauses, didn't get the reference of "it" in v.8 wrong, etc. Yeah, I'll stop asking if you can point me to that post.

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Originally Posted by Tj3

I think that when a person accuses one of judging, and judges that person in so doing, that is called hypocrisy.

Now, I can understand that you feel convicted when I quote scripture - God's word as a way of doing that, but take that up with God.

Again,

1 Corinthians 4: 3But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self.

I will await the Just Judge.

4For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord.

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My gospel

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Originally Posted by De Maria

We follow Jesus and the Apostles.

So you are now into falsifying what I said to defend your position?

Is dishonesty and fraud one of the good works of following your god?

Yes, you will be judged by your works!

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Originally Posted by Tj3

when I quote scripture

To quote is one thing. The Pharisees did that. To understand it is something different.

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Originally Posted by Akoue

Kindly point me to the post where you explained in a detailed way my error regarding Eph.2.8-9. I've re-read the thread and seem to have missed it. You know, the one where you explain to me that you didn't overlook the semicolon between the clauses, didn't get the reference of "it" in v.8 wrong, etc. Yeah, I'll stop asking if you can point me to that post.

You did not stop when I responded before. My children used to use this tactic when they did not get their way when they were very young. They grew up.

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Originally Posted by Tj3

Yes, you will be judged by your works!!

Is that a concession?

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Originally Posted by Akoue

To quote is one thing. The Pharisees did that. To understand it is something different.

Exactly. Some people do study it to understand, others just claim that they are right and everyone else is wrong.

I have spent a large part of my life studying scripture and submitting my beliefs to it.

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Originally Posted by Tj3

You did not stop when I responded before. My children used to use this tactic when they did not get their way when they were very young. They grew up.

It would be very easy to put this to rest for all to see. Please indicate the # of the post.

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Originally Posted by Akoue

Is that a concession?

Not at all - scripture does say that we will be judged by our works.

For those who depend upon anything by the work of the cross for their salvation, they will be judged by their works. One sin and they have condemned themselves because they placed their hope in works.

Those who put their faith solely in the cross of Christ will be judge by their works to determine what crowns they will receive, crowns that we will later throw at the feet of Him who alone merits credit even for our good works.

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Originally Posted by Tj3

Exactly. Some people do study it to understand, others just claim that they are right and everyone else is wrong.

I have spent a large part of my life studying scripture and submitting my beliefs to it.

Studying is one thing. The Pharisees did that. Understanding is something different.

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Originally Posted by Tj3

Exactly. We have no righteousness, and when we who are saved do good works, we receive crowns as rewards that we later toss at the feet of Him who rightly desires the honour for even our good works.

Again, that is your gospel and you are becoming very eloquent in preaching your personal gospel.

But Jesus Gospel says that we must do good works or we will be condemned:

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Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

That means that only those that do the will of the Father will enter heaven.

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Matt 25 34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Come you who are blessed and inherit...

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35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

For, means because.

So, why did they inherit the Kingdom. Because when He was hungry they gave Him meat etc.

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36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

etc.

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37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? Or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? Or naked, and clothed thee?
39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

And they asked, "Lord when did we do those things for you?

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40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you,.

Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

And the Lord said, when you did it to your brethren.

So the message is clear. Salvation is contingent upon your doing good works for your neighbor. And if you keep reading you will see that not doing these good works will cause you to wind up condemned.

Sincerely,

De Maria

Akoue,
He did not do that no matter what he claims to have done because he either cannot or refuses to do so.
The evidence is here on this thread that Tj3 has not done so but make the false claim that he has.
Typical of his posting style.
Fred

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Originally Posted by Akoue

It would be very easy to put this to rest for all to see. Please indicate the # of the post.

After several hundred posts, if you cared so little after the number of times that I tried to discuss it and you cared so little about a real discussion, why it is somehow my responsibility to search those hundreds of posts? Especially when you attitude has not improved and I still see no desire for a real discussion.

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Originally Posted by Akoue

Studying is one thing. The Pharisees did that. Understanding is something different.

I'm glad that you realize that. Understanding does not come from those who are so arrogant to thing that they are right and anyone who disagrees is a "goofus". That was how the Pharisees viewed their position.

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Originally Posted by Tj3

After several hundred posts, if you cared so little after the number of times that I tried to discuss it and you cared so little about a real discussion, why it is somehow my responsibility to search those hundreds of posts? Especially when you attitude has not improved and I still see no desire for a real discussion.

And the post is at?

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Originally Posted by Tj3

Not at all - scripture does say that we will be judged by our works.

For those who depend upon anything by the work of the cross for their salvation, they will be judged by their works. One sin and they have condemned themselves because they placed their hope in works.

Since that isn't Catholic doctrine, we don't need to worry.

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Those who put their faith solely in the cross of Christ will be judge by their works to determine what crowns they will receive, crowns that we will later throw at the feet of Him who alone merits credit even for our good works.

That's Catholic doctrine.

Now, how about those who profess to be faithful but don't do the works which God prepared from the beginning?

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Originally Posted by De Maria

Again, that is your gospel and you are becoming very eloquent in preaching your personal gospel.

The gospel of Jesus Christ, not mine.

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But Jesus Gospel says that we must do good works or we will be condemned

John 3:14-18
14 And as Moses lifted the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted, 15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. 18 He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
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