The Bible says our righteousness is like dirty rags.

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Originally Posted by De Maria

I don't know what you're talking about.

I don't know what Scripture you're reading. But the KJV says:
Hebrews 5:9
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

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You are great at taking these out of context. What does He say that we must obey?

Heb 3:18-19
18 And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey?
19 So we see that they could not enter because of unbelief.
NKJV

Belief not works. If you seek works as a means to fill the gap of what you perceive to be Jesus' insufficiency to save, then you are looking in all the wrong places.

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Originally Posted by Akoue

Um, that was debunked ages ago. I remember. I was there.

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Funny, I only remember you given your opinion, taking it out of context.

And I was there.

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Originally Posted by Tj3

Then you have not been obedient and you cannot be saved by obedience.

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You really want to judge everyone's souls don't you? But Jesus already thought of every contingency for us.

We obediently frequent the Sacrament of Confession which Jesus afforded us.

John 20:23
Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

That is another one of those works which you hate so much.

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Originally Posted by De Maria

We obediently frequent the Sacrament of Confession which Jesus afforded us.

John 20:23
Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

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We must confess our sins to God. But that means that we have sins and have been disobedient in other areas. Under your works gospel, you'd be going to hell.

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Originally Posted by De Maria

You really want to judge everyone's souls don't you? But Jesus already thought of every contingency for us.

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Ironic - you just judged me.

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Originally Posted by Tj3

Funny, I only remember you given your opinion, taking it out of context.

And I was there.

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Well, a native Greek speaker endorsed it.

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Originally Posted by N0help4u

The Bible says our righteousness is like dirty rags.

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Amen.

I notice that every false gospel points to the worthiness and merit of man and his works.

The true gospel points only to the cross of Christ.

1 Cor 2:2
2 For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.
NKJV

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Originally Posted by Akoue

Well, a native Greek speaker endorsed it.

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We weren't discussing the Greek there so whether that is true or not is irrelevant.

De Maria
Yes, he has been doing that for years on several boards.
So it in nothing new for him on many other fundamentalists.
Fred

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Originally Posted by arcura

De Maria
Yes, he has been doing that for years on several boards.
So it in nothing new for him on many other fundamentalists.
Fred

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Fred, Yes, I have been defending scripture on many boards for many years. And I do defend the fundamentals of the Christian faith.

Thanks you for noticing.

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Originally Posted by Tj3

We weren't discussing the Greek there so whether that is true or not is irrelevant.

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Fine, then explain what I got wrong. I gave you my reasons for rejecting your interpretation. Now give me your reasons for rejecting my interpretation. What mistake did I make in reading Eph.2.8-9?

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Originally Posted by N0help4u

The Bible says our righteousness is like dirty rags.

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Isaiah 64:6 6But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

That is why our works alone and even our faith is not enough to merit salvation.

But God crowns His own works:

Hebrews 13:21
Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

De Maria,
Funny, Funny. Funny.
You asked question "You really want to judge everyone's souls don't you?"
And Tj3 says that you just judged him
Since when is a question judgment?
Fred

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Originally Posted by De Maria

That is how you characterize it. Its the strawman you build so that you can knock it down. But it isn't what we believe. We believe in faith and works:

James 2:17
Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Sincerely,

De Maria

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My gospel depends solely on the faithfulness of God, not on the works of men.

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Originally Posted by Tj3

You are great at taking these out of context. What does He say that we must obey?

Heb 3:18-19
18 And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey?
19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.
NKJV

Belief not works. If you seek works as a means to fill the gap of what you perceive to be Jesus' insufficiency to save, then you are looking in all the wrong places.

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They could not enter because of unbelief.

"Entering" being the work that they would have accomplished had they believed.

De Maria,
Your answer to NoHwlp4U was superb.
Fred

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Originally Posted by Tj3

Ironic - you just judged me.

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Your desire to judge other people's souls is hardly a judgement. You have made it obvious.

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Originally Posted by Akoue

Fine, then explain what I got wrong. I gave you my reasons for rejecting your interpretation. Now give me your reasons for rejecting my interpretation. What mistake did I make in reading Eph.2.8-9?

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Tell me, after how many times will you finally acknowledge it? If you won't listen after "X" times, why should I think that you will listen after "X + 1" times?

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Originally Posted by De Maria

Isaiah 64:6 6But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

That is why our works alone and even our faith is not enough to merit salvation.

But God crowns His own works:

Hebrews 13:21
Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

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Exactly thank you for expounding on what I am saying.