Jake,

I tried to give you agree with you but I have to spread it out more.

I totally agree with your post. Unfortunately most Christians don't get as deep as you do. Or as I do even. I want to know more... I want to believe and live it out like Paul did.


I wish people who became Christians really wanted to know more, be more like Jesus. But we are slow learners... I am not young and have been a Christian for many years but it hasn't been but recently that I really want a deeper understanding.

To ALL:
OK.. having said ALL of that I am now going to point a little blame. I think our pulpits are full of preacher who have an agenda, or are ignorant in the word and preach more on what we do than what Christ has done. They preach about our righteousness and not on HIS. Isn't it a biblical thought that if we KNOW who we are in Christ we will act like it? I know it is a process but when our pulpits are trying to preach ways to improve the flesh it upsets me. I once listen to my pastor preach about how to get rid of bitterness. He stated to make a list of all the things you are bitter about with a person and then list all the things Christ did for you and forgave you for. Sadly I thought t was brilliant.. this was only a few years ago. It was my Father who told me " hey, T...he is showing you how to improve the flesh" . I was blown away. Could this be why Christians aren't growing. We can't improve the flesh... Christianity 101.

In the whole bible, there is no term 'christianity' takesplace.. And jesus never told that,"i'm god,worship me only".. He is just a messenger.. Messenger means a guide who shows the absolute path for reaching the god's place...

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[Jesus] is just a messenger.. Messenger means a guide who shows the absolute path for reaching the god's place...

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Christians believe that Jesus was God in the flesh.

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Christians believe that Jesus was God in the flesh.

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They y he cures the wound of sick peoples wit the name of god?! If he is a god.then he can did these by his own wish..

Dyes,

You are correct you will not find the actual word "Christianity" but you WILL find the word "Christian" a person who follows Christ. Also he said he was God by calling himself "I AM" the jews knew exactly what he was saying that is why they picked up stones to stone him. And one last thought, he allowed doubting Thomas to worship him... if he wasn't God he couldn't and wouldn't have allowed it.

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they y he cures the wound of sick peoples wit the name of god?!! If he is a god.then he can did these by his own wish..

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He healed by His own power --

Matthew 8:13 (NKJV) Then Jesus said to the centurion, “Go your way; and as you have believed, so let it be done for you.” And his servant was healed that same hour.

Matthew 10:10 (NKJV) And when He had called His twelve disciples to Him, He gave them power over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease.

Matthew 14:14 (NKJV) And when Jesus went out He saw a great multitude; and He was moved with compassion for them, and healed their sick.

Matthew 15:28 (NKJV) Then Jesus answered and said to her, “O woman, great is your faith! Let it be to you as you desire.” And her daughter was healed from that very hour.

http://www.biblegateway.com/quicksea...&qs_version=50

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He healed by His own power --

Matthew 8:13 (NKJV) Then Jesus said to the centurion, “Go your way; and as you have believed, so let it be done for you.” And his servant was healed that same hour.

Matthew 10:10 (NKJV) And when He had called His twelve disciples to Him, He gave them power over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease.

Matthew 14:14 (NKJV) And when Jesus went out He saw a great multitude; and He was moved with compassion for them, and healed their sick.

Matthew 15:28 (NKJV) Then Jesus answered and said to her, “O woman, great is your faith! Let it be to you as you desire.” And her daughter was healed from that very hour.

BibleGateway - Quick search: Jesus healed

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Just referred with john 14:28,john 10:29,mathew 12:28,luke 11:20,john 5:30.. In these verses he told that "he didnt do anythng by his will except god's will".. Then how jesus can be consider as a god?

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just refered with john 14:28,john 10:29,mathew 12:28,luke 11:20,john 5:30.. In these verses he told that "he didnt do anythng by his will except god's will".. Then how jesus can be consider as a god?!

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Phil. 2:6-8: Though he was God, he did not demand and cling to his rights as God. He made himself nothing; he took the humble position of a servant and appeared in human form. And in human form he obediently humbled himself even further by dying a criminal's death on a cross

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Phil. 2:6-8: Though he was God, he did not demand and cling to his rights as God. He made himself nothing; he took the humble position of a seervant and appeared in human form. And in human form he obediently humbled himself even further by dying a criminal's death on a cross

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:) I had a doubt as all christians says jesus's blood will cure/clear all sins of people.. Then every one's sins will be cleared off.. Then y there is a judgement day for people after death?

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:) i had a doubt as all christians says jesus's blood will cure/clear all sins of people.. Then every one's sins will be cleared off.. Then y there is a judgement day for people after death??

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Jesus died for all, but some people say no thank you, I do not believe that I sin or need clearing.

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Jesus died for all, but some people say no thank you, I do not believe that I sin or need clearing.

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Oh.. If we thanks jesus, then we will be on safer side?

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oh.. If we thanx jesus, then we will be on safer side?!

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That is not what I said. Each of us is a sinful human being (we do wrong things) and is in need of a Savior, then believe that Jesus' death on the cross has taken away our sins so we can be right with God the Father again.

WG,
Great verse in Phil.

Dyes,

The great white throne judgement is there for people who reject God's free gift of salvation. Jesus DID die for man's sins but it isn't automatically imputed, one has to receive the gift. Like WG said... some people say no thanks.. or worse.

Interesting original question. Like the angels, God gave us all free will. While most of the angels choose to serve God, others choose to rebel and indeed become disgusting creatures.

"So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him" -Rev. 12:9 (NWT)

"Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to ​YOU, having great anger, knowing he has a short period of time."-Rev. 12:12b (NWT)

Certainly if these creates who were originally angels in the heavens choose to do all the file things noted in the bible, can we really think we are not capable of great badness ourselves? Every day we must choose what type of person we want to be before God's eyes. If we continue choose well, we can live a life a faithfulness to God like many noted in the bible. Not to be confused with being self righteous as we're all sinners before God so we must always stay humble and not think ourselves to be something extraordinary as that will only prepare us for a fall.

Gracey,

I agree with you. We ALL Christians and non Christians, by nature have a tendency to judge each other... and I think rather harshly. It is almost as if we think ourselves as not capable of evil. Paul said that he knew in his flesh dwelt no good thing. In and of ourselves we are nothing and on the same playing field as the most vile offender. I don't think people realize that. In fact I am SURE they don't. I have talked to many who cringe over certain sins and confess they would never do such a thing. But I believe if given the right situation the same circumstance and influence we are all capable any sin imaginable.

Edit: Please note once a person is saved he has been given power to overcome sin. I'm not suggesting we stay in a sinful state or sin cycle.

None of us knows what we're capable of until we're thrust into the situation. Under the right circumstances, I could do some pretty nasty things if someone were, say, threatening a member of my family. But in the right setting, anyone on earth has the potential to do most anything, good or bad.

And while I agree that we have been set free from sin, it's still an ongoing struggle for us. We don't have to be dominated by it, but we're still going to slip now and then. Part of real growth as a Christian is figuring out where my hot buttons are and teaching them to cool down a bit. It takes a lifetime and none of us will ever fully accomplish it, but the results we do get are worth the struggle.

ClassyT,

I think you have raised a very good point. I'll try to give you my point of view.
I honestly believe that should Jesus came back to our Earth now He would probably proceed as He did when expelling the money changers from the Temple, accusing them of turning the Temple into a den of thieves through their commercial activities.

The message Christianity is conveying to us Christians has little if anything to do with Jesus' last message "Love each other as I have loved you". The words are, of course, there, but the acts and behavior are just the usual sample of arrogance, greediness and ambition which, we men, are well known for.

Christianity is about love and self-improvement trhough love. Is about realizing and believing that we are ALL ALIKE, irrespective of color, religion, ethnics, language... We are exactly equal and we are ALL travelling in the same boat.

Until we all grasp the truth of the above message we can claim aloud that we are religious people, good Christians, Muslims or whtever, but we shall be nothing but huge hypocrite liers...

Gromitt82