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Originally Posted by sndbay

I trust in Christ that I do. (Matthew13:24-25) The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

Matthew 13:9 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

Mark 4:15 And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

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Therefore we understand that many members of the Body of Christ are sinners who will be judged at the end of time:
Romans 14:10
But why dost thou judge thy brother? Or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

1 Peter 4:17
For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

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Yes I do keep watch for the second coming of Christ. He has foretold us of HIS coming.

1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

Matthew 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

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So He did. And we believe it.

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If the Catholic church teaches you experience the return of Christ in each Mass, then what of the scripture (Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. )

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Very simple. We accept both teachings. Christ said:
Matthew 28:20
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Therefore we believe that He is with us in His Eucharistic presence.

And He also said:
Matthew 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. [/b]

Therefore we await His Second Coming in power and glory at the end of time to judge the world.

What do you do with Matt 28:20?

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John 19:28 After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.

Do we permit man to give us vinegar when we thrist? We suffer the death of sin or the death with Christ on the cross. When we thirst we drink of the water Christ has offered. The water that is given to us and is in us.

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That doesn't answer my question. How do you die with Christ on the Cross? To us, it refers to the efficacy of our suffering which fills the suffering which is lacking in the body of Christ, the Church.

Are you saying that to die with Christ, to you it means to drink vinegar? Or do you also believe that your suffering is united to the suffering on the Cross by our Saviour?

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We have to watch carefully to the last word of what is taught by man, just as the Word of God has told us. The word that is sown in our hearts can be taken away if we sleep. We suffer daily at the hands of satan that will immediately take away the word that was sown in our hearts, being then beguiled as Eve was in the garden, if we do not watch to stay awake. This is the suffering we do daily(to walk as Christ walked in righteousness), and as Paul wrote gladly willing to die daily.(with Christ and not with satan)

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Very good answer. It is much like ours. Except we believe that our suffering is also effective for expiating our sin and the sin of those for whom Christ suffered.

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John 19:34-35 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water. And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe.

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And we believe as you.

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~in Christ

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... may we always remain.

Sincerely,

De Maria

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Originally Posted by sndbay

I can discern that you don't believe that is possible.

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And you would be wrong. This is why the Catholic Church canonizes those who have achieved that perfection in this lifetime. As examples that we may follow:
Hebrews 6:12
That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

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When unity as one with Christ having the spirit, we are made perfect and without blemish. It is to hold stedfast in the fullness of Christ, by ONE Faith ONE Lord ONE Baptism, and ONE God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ

Eph 4:21 If so be that ye have heard HIM, and have been taught by HIM, as the truth is in Jesus

Eph 4: 24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

DEMaria, I trust in Christ, that our mortal bodies are quicken by HIS Spirit and will dwell within us, if we believe. This is the newness of life (ONE Baptism), while we walk having the spirit of Christ.(ONE Lord) We are able to walk in righteousness. (ONE Faith)

But as the parable of the wine bottle tells us. The old is not mixed with the NEW or it will spoil and perish. And some will not willing drink of the NEW because they desire the old. (Luke 5:39)

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

I believe the righteousness of the law can be fulfilled in us, the royal law, the law of ONE Faith. (Romans 8:4 James 2:8 Romans 3:27)


~Grace be with you all


John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me

Revel 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

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I'm always amazed when I talk to you at how close we are in doctrine. Keep up the good work.

Sincerely,

De Maria

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Originally Posted by De Maria

Very simple. We accept both teachings. Christ said:
Matthew 28:20
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

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Put On!

Colossians 3:12-13 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.

Follow the Shepherd of our soul (1 Peter 2:25)

John 10:4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.

Hear HIS Voice

1 Peter 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps

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Originally Posted by De Maria

Therefore we believe that He is with us in His Eucharistic presence.

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Once converted, we are one body with Christ. Those members that are sinner are cut off from the body. Christ told Peter that once he is converted (thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren) Let me say that I believe the church is the body of Christ. But it is not a tangible hand made structure. (Col 1:24) (Col 2:9-10), (Col 2:17) What is written to drink from the cup of the New Testament, we do it in remembrance of Christ Those that believe and are converted are the many members that abide in HIM and HIM in them. (Romans 12:5 1 Corinthians 6:15 1 Corinthians 12:27 John 15:4)The church is the temple that fell and was raised again in three days not made by hands. (Mark 14:58) It is better that any members of the body that do evil be cut off. ( Matthew 5:3 Mark 2:9 )

Put On!
Colossians 2: 14-15 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness. And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.

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Originally Posted by De Maria

Are you saying that to die with Christ, to you it means to drink vinegar?

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No, the vingar is what man will give you when you thrist.. Christ suffered it on the cross to show us what man will attempt if you thrist. We suffer to this each day, and if we fall asleep, then satan has taken from our hearts the word of truth. Instead we should pray to our Father, in the name of Jesus for our daily bread. God increases faith, wisdom and knowledge in accordance to HIS will. Those that are unprofitable will not receive, but those that are fruitful are blessed by God with what was given for their duty was well done. We are all servants in the house of God. Nothing of what I say or do can convert a soul in believing unless they are willing to hear HIS voice, and follow HIM. When they hear and knock, His promise is true to come in to him, and will sup with him. This is the spirit of truth, and the body we unite in ONE Faith, ONE Lord , ONE Baptism, and ONE God and Father above all, through all, and in all. (Eph 4:4-5)

Colossian 3:27 And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men; Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ.

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Or do you also believe that your suffering is united to the suffering on the Cross by our Saviour?

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I believe my one death was on the cross with Christ. My heart is circumcised in love for Christ.

Colossians 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ

Colossians 2:12 Buried with HIM in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses

Attention to the thread to ordinances = what is legal, proper, fitting, custom, behavior

Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Colossians 2:20-21-22 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,Touch not; taste not; handle not; Which all are to perish with the using; after the commandments and doctrines of men?

The nourishment I receive, is from the well of water springing up into everlasting life, in the new wine and never the old, in the cup of the New Testament, and these are Christ Jesus the bread of life.

Colossians 2:18-19 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.


Done finished and completed by Christ
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in HIM, which is the head of all principality and power ~in Christ

sndbay, J
Jesus said that His blood is drink indeed.
He also said of the communion cup, "this IS my blood."
I believe Jesus.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

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Originally Posted by arcura

sndbay, J
Jesus said that His blood is drink indeed.

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Yes it does say that, and it say how we drink indeed and eat indeed. When we dwell as one with Christ.

John 6:56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

Christ Promise is to come to us when we knock and open the door .HE will come in to us, and will sup with us, and us with HIM. (Revel 3:20)

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Originally Posted by arcura

He also said of the communion cup, "this IS my blood."
I believe Jesus.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

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Yes Fred it is Christ communion with each individually, communion is to gather or unite as one with Christ. (gather together as one)

1 Corinthians 10:17 For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.

I will ask, what do you think is the cup of the devils? Do you see both have the nourishment to serve at a table.

1 Corinthians 10:21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.

sndbay,
Thank you.
I'm glad that we agree.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

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Originally Posted by arcura

sndbay,
Thank you.
I'm glad that we agree.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

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Do we? because I do not go before man and partake of what man offers as flesh and blood saying come this is Christ. I do not believe baptism can be without confession of Christ Jesus as the begotten Son of God and sprinkled by water. I do not believe man is a sinner unless man is beguiled by satan, and has fallen asleep, and drinks of the old bottled wine.

Fred you know it is the Word of God that dwelled among mankind, and in us even today. And was fulfilled by Christ in the scriptures that I referance in assured faith. I do not follow man but I do follow Christ Jesus, to be all God created me to be, in HIS will being done. My heart desires to be awake and watch with causion until Christ returns. My heart desires not to die the second death because we are to die once with Christ.

Grace be to all in Christ Jesus. To all converted,and strengthen who have put on the newness of life that His body has given. Those that suffer with Christ to die once on the cross with HIM, and are buried with HIM in Baptism, that by faith of the operation of God can raise us with HIM. WE are dead to sin, and circumcised not by hands but with Christ and by Christ.

Most assuredly knock, and open the door to Christ Jesus, And He will dwell within you and you within HIM as one body partaking of the one bread of life.

Drink of the new bottled wine, and cap close the old bottled wine that might cause man to perish. (These can not be mixed or both will perish)

1 Corinthians 10:21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.


~in Christ

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Originally Posted by sndbay

Do we? because I do not go before man and partake of what man offers as flesh and blood saying come this is Christ.

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Sometimes Scriptures are described as being 'witnesses' to Christ's sacrifice. While they are in a general sense, they aren't the infallible rule of faith as C.K. Chesterton suggested, “for the simple reason that the Bible does not say anything. You cannot put a book in the witness-box and ask it what it really means. .. The Bible by itself cannot be a basis of agreement when it is a cause of disagreement; it cannot be the common ground of Christians when some take it allegorically and some literally. The Catholic refers it to something that can say something, to the living, consistent, and continuous mind of which I have spoken; the highest mind of man guided by God.” Scripture only comes to life with a right reasoned faith, liberal in its harmony with the Apostles' Holy Tradition.


Missing discipline of faith we fall vulnerable to a subjective truth, held as infallible so as to prove our own predetermined construct of God's will. Don't miss a treasure more precious than our own will. The Reality of accepting Christ as he intended, “he that comes to me shall not hunger, and he that believes in me shall never thirst... eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you.” Do you want to be absolutely sure of your love for God? I know the way. It's written in the book you so often quote.


It was the feast of Paschal, when the first born son fasts in memory of deliverance from the Israelites. Christ, the fist born son of his adopted parents Joseph and Mary takes his traditional place at the head of the table from which he speaks of deliverance. Christ feed five thousand with five loaves; he feed the five thousand with the Real Presence of Him. But, like so many they closed their eyes to the real mystery that was conveyed and focused on the sensational. They had seen the miracle of bread and yet failed to recognize the grace offered.

Instead, they wanted more, not more life saving manna, but more of these magical tricks. Christ recognized this, “you have seen miracles, but because you ate of the loaves and were filled.” We see this all the time, people will say I believe, but stand around with their hands in their pockets waiting for a miracle, even magic tricks of salvation without works, i.e. faith without commitment to the sacraments of life.

Let me interject an interesting observation as a temporary diversion. Christ had walked across the water of the Sea of Galilee. Since the Maccabean era 'Galilee' has come to mean “the District of Nations”. It was formed by a mass migration from Judaea to Jerusalem. While properly under the protection of Judaea the population decided to recognize the authority of the Jerusalem temple as opposed to the Samaritan temple. A see is a reference to a patriarchal authority and is a homophone to 'sea'. A metaphoric vision can be seen in these verses. Christ walking over a 'sea' of Nations presenting himself in person to a free people for their salvation and, at least in part, rejected.

Christ tells us, "I am the bread of life” who satisfies the real hungers and the real thirsts of mankind. He tells us to consume the essence of (Body, Soul, and Divinity ) that is Christ for salvation, “I say unto you: unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you." Jews had two types of sacrifices, real, which included burnt meat and blood; and illusory, sacrificial prayers. They most always distinguished the one from the other by alluding to the sacrifice of 'blood'. You can see this in Hebrews, chapters 9 through 10. Consequently the Jews (those wanting magic tricks) hearing this immediately questioned, "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?" The 'hard thing' wasn't so much the cannibalism inferred by Christ as it was that HE was a perfect sacrificial lamb.

To those who didn't turn away who believed in realness of His presence (both literal and figuratively), he commanded, “As the living Father has sent me and I live by the Father: so he that eats me, the same also shall live by me. This is the bread that came down from heaven. Not as your fathers ate manna and are dead. He that eats this bread shall live for ever." As Peter asked, we should also ask, where shall we go?

The answer is simple; to the sanctifying alter of life to consume the 'Real Presence” of Christ wherein he works the miracle of consuming us, reforming us as part of the Mystical Body of Christ.

Do you recognize the real miracle, the Real Presence, or are you still looking for magic tricks?


JoeT

sndbay,
Joe did a marvelous job explaining that to you.
Jesus said take and eat and drink.
That is way yet today over a billion people still partake of the blood and body of Jesus.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

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Originally Posted by JoeT777

Missing discipline of faith we fall vulnerable to a subjective truth, held as infallible so as to prove our own predetermined construct of God's will.

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I trust in Christ and the circumcision of the heart. The love that powers over the gates of hell. The royal law (James 2:8-9-10)

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Originally Posted by JoeT777

Christ tells us, "I am the bread of life” who satisfies the real hungers and the real thirsts of mankind. He tells us to consume the essence of (Body, Soul, and Divinity ) that is Christ for salvation, [I]“I say unto you: unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you." JoeT

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John 6:34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.


Please review what Christ answered.


John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.


Those that open the door for Christ to come into their life. His promise is true. I hear HIS voice, and follow HIM.

Revel 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

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Originally Posted by arcura

sndbay,
Joe did a marvelous job explaining that to you.
Jesus said take and eat and drink.
That is way yet today over a billion people still partake of the blood and body of Jesus.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

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Fred I know the teachings of men, and there are many different demonations to example them all.

I do not follow the enticing words of man's wisdom, but I demonstrate of the Spirit and HIS power, that faith should not stand in the man, but in the power of God.

It is Christ that gives sup unto those that open the door and hear HIS voice to follow HIM.


1 Corinthians 11:20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

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Originally Posted by sndbay

I trust in Christ and the circumcision of the heart. The love that powers over the gates of hell. The royal law (James 2:8-9-10)

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“If you love me, keep my commandments.. unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you.” (John14:15, John 6:53)


Becoming circumcised in the heart, a real baptism, a real washing away of sin, and a real reception of Christ as manna from heaven, body, sole and Divinity, which allows us to be with Christ. We know that those who follow Christ's commandments will see His glory. (Cf. John 17:24). How then do we follow with a book shoved-up our nose while leading the pack in front of Christ? You know I disagree that Scripture is the sole authority of our faith and yet even reading solo-scriptora it clearly, unequivocally, tells us to be members of the Kingdom of God, and to continue his sacrifice. Read your book son! It tells of followers in the KINGDOM OF GOD a.k.a. Catholic Church.

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Originally Posted by sndbay

John 6:34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.


Please review what Christ answered.



John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

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Yes he is the bread of life and to have life you must eat the essence of His body, sole and Divinity that is the Eucharist.

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Those that open the door for Christ to come into their life. His promise is true. I hear HIS voice, and follow HIM.

Revel 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

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What do you suppose it means when he sups with him. Sup is a strong drink, it means to consume, refresh, our otherwise 'commune' as if at the supper table. That's why we call it the supper table. Even this little bit of scripture makes reference to the Eucharist. You can't get away from it son – read your bible.

JoeT

sndbay,
I spoke of the teachings of the bible not men or anything else.
JoeT did a good job pointing that out to you.
Joe said to "read your bible", I add "and understand what it clearly says."
Peace and kindness,
Fred

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Originally Posted by arcura

sndbay,
I spoke of the teachings of the bible not men or anything else.
JoeT did a good job pointing that out to you.
Joe said to "read your bible", I add "and understand what it clearly says."
Peace and kindness,
Fred

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Fred:

I think of understanding scriptures like peeling and onion. We all want to get to the core of the matter, the very center of truth. But, as you peel back the skin, you encounter another layer. Each layer has a deeper charismatic appreciation for truth than the preceding one. As for myself, I assume like many others, I got to a layer near the top that I couldn’t seem to penetrate; at least not until I got “the cutting edge”.

This hard layer was the “I believe” layer, that’s all, just I believe; nothing else just I believe. You know, just mind numb robot, “I believe”. Well believing is important for some, but for me it’s equally important to ‘understand’ just what’s inside of belief.

Without realizing just how sharp words could be, I picked up one or two works of the early farther and doctors, more or less on a lark. It was as if St. Augustine jumped out to show me the falsies in ‘just believing’. Suddenly, from across entire millennium I could hear and understand St. Athanasius St. Ignatius, St. Chrysostom along with others. All of them expressed the same love for Christ and His Church, the same humility, the same conviction. After that I could cut through scripture like a hot knife through butter, peelings floated off. While I’ve got miles to go, it seems more of an adventure than reading to ‘simply believe.’ I’m convicted, as they are want to say around here, not only in belief, but in what I believe and in why I believe. The scriptures, Christ, the twelve, along with the other characters, come through in High Density and surround sound. That’s what I was suggesting, ‘read’.

JoeT

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“If you love me, keep my commandments.. unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you.” (John14:15, John 6:53)

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JOHN 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Yes, keep HIS commandments! Put no other God before HIM! Keep HIM holy for He is our rest! And love as He loved you!

If you do HIS commandments, HE will pray to the Father who will give the Comforter "SO HE MAY ABIDE with you forever!"


JOHN 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and HE shall give you another Comforter, that HE may abide with you for ever

The Spirit of truth can not be seen by those who do not acknowledge HIM. But I know HIM, because HE dwells in me and I in HIM. I have received the bread of life, HE is within my heart and soul and I rejoice in my faith that He has increased.

Chosen by God to salvation because I am sanctified of the Spirit and hold strong in belief of truth (2 Thessalonians 2:13) He has called me by the gospel, to obtain the glory of Christ Jesus(2:14) And I hold stedfast in ONE Faith, and the traditions of in One Baptism, and to rejoice in HIM who is our Passover in love, and glory of HIM which we have been taught, whether by word, or the apostles epistle. (2:15) It is the Lord Jesus, and God our Father that has given us everlasting consolation in nourishment, and strength with hope through grace. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are my comfort, and do render constant one's mind in good work and word. (2:16-17)
The feeding of HIS body and blood, dwells in me, the bread of life.

JOHN 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.


JOHN 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.


Christ dwells in me and I in HIM

JOHN 6:55-56 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.


I do not think that I must go find this nourishment handed to me by a man standing before me.

However I do believe that by the tradition estabished by our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, that one can partake of the LORD's Supper, a feast done in remembrances of HIM.

And this must be done with acknowledgement in the worthyness of Christ's body and blood. The Lord's Supper/Passover feast can not be taken with lack of glory, honour, and praise in belief of our calling in ONE Lord, ONE Faith, ONE Baptism, and ONE God and Father above all, through all and in all. (Eph 4:4-5)

The Lord's Supper is a spiritual cup in blessing that spiritually has gathered us with the "ONE Body=Christ" in us. We holding and converted in belief of "ONE Bread of Life = Christ Jesus" No one can take this away from us, and we joy in HIS love fo us.
(1 Corinthians 10:16-17)

NO one partakes of Christ's table and the devil's table. (noted as division) Knowing you can not be a sinner with satan one minute, and a person of righteousness who follows Christ the minute, to continue back and forth..
(1 Corinthians 10:21)

The division in right and wrong. The discipline of love showing division, loving to do right then loving to do wrong. We are to be circumcised in love with Christ, the stubborn additude cut off. Walking in love of righteousness and following HIM

It is written in (1 Corinthians 11:20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper. ) What was and what is today has to compare with what is written in Acts 2.

The powers of God were recognized, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to Christ, this brought dividuals to answer the calling of hope. They then gladly hearing and following because godly fear came upon them, and they believed together, and everything in common. The breaking of bread, was done house to house eating their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, Praising God.

These feasts were social meals of the early church, and were called love feasts (2 Peter 2:13, Jude 12) and followed by the Lord's Supper. According to the greek customs, each brought their own provisions, and the rich of course had more to feast upon then the poor, and the servants. This spirit of division led to the excusion of some. This is what caused problems at the Lord's table. A division between any would cause God to be angry, and went against the commandment of love.

So it is written do not eat the Lord's Supper when you come together, because some would takes before others arrived, and then would drink of the cup of blessing before others. And some were hungry while the rich were not, resulting in some questioning what blessing is this? And others would be drunken, unaware of what was actually taking place in praise of God during the Lord's cup of blessing. (1 Corinthains 11:21-22)

We are being then reminded of the truth in how Christ offered the cup of blessing to HIS disciples. (1 Corinthians 11:23)

Clearly you can read, how the Lord's Supper was, and what the preaching of the Lord's Supper is today . Understanding that, we have authority in the church denominations setting the traditions. We need to watch careful to the last word of what is said, and compare it to what is written as the Word of God.

Attention in, never taking of the Lord's Supper, in a spirit of division. because if you are one with Christ you are one with all. If you affend one of HIS you have affended HIM

~in Christ

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sndbay,
I spoke of the teachings of the bible not men or anything else.
JoeT did a good job pointing that out to you.
Joe said to "read your bible", I add "and understand what it clearly says."
Peace and kindness,
Fred

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Originally Posted by sndbay

Fred I know the teachings of men, and there are many different demonations to example them all.

I do not follow the enticing words of man's wisdom, but I demonstrate of the Spirit and HIS power, that faith should not stand in the man, but in the power of God.

It is Christ that gives sup unto those that open the door and hear HIS voice to follow HIM.


1 Corinthians 11:20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

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However in regard to your comment. Look back and you will see that I posted to you in referance of #49 and Joe's was #48. And there is no instructions from Joe for me to read in #48.


I do not judge, I edify in love of Christ Jesus.



Spirit of truth is the body of Christ

Col 2:16-17 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.



~The Spirit of grace be with you

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Originally Posted by JoeT777

What do you suppose it means when he sups with him. Sup is a strong drink, it means to consume, refresh, our otherwise 'commune' as if at the supper table. That's why we call it the supper table. Even this little bit of scripture makes reference to the Eucharist. You can't get away from it son – read your bible.

JoeT

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Greek word (deipneō) meaning I will supper with you.


So He stands and knocks, we must open the door and hear HIS voice so that Christ will supper with us. A very wonderful example of how HE becomes one with us and us with HIM, when we follow HIS footsteps and listen to the Word of God.

Christ saying, I will feed you MY love if you feed me your love. (Grace for grace ) John 1:16

sndbay,
Jesus IS clearlt telling us to eat His Flesh and Drink His bood in The Eucharist form od consecrated bread abd wine.
We Catholics abd other do that according to His command.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Fred,
I know that Christ is righteous,, and everyone that walks in righteousness is born of HIM. (1 JOHN 2:29)

There is no division in those that are anointed from the Holy One, and he that does the will of God abides forever. (1 JOHN 1:17)

When Christ dwells within you, there is no need for any man to teach you.
(1 JOHN 2:27)

The Word of God was written so that man could not seduce us, and satan can not beguile us. WATCH and Stay AWAKE

~in Christ

sndbay,
That does not change the fact that we should honor and obey Christ's commandmennts as mentioned concerning the Eucharist.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

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Originally Posted by arcura

sndbay,
That does not change the fact that we should honor and obey Christ's commandmennts as mentioned concerning the Eucharist.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

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Fred,

I have already said and posted what I believe and trust as the Spirit of truth. My One Faith rest In Christ Jesus. I put Christ on, and I walk having the spirit of Christ.

What the Catholic denomination have followed, is what their Pope in authority has determined best. What the Lutheran denomination determines best is also = Both consider the Lords Supper as flesh and blood which you can eat and drink in forgiveness of sin, and then desire good conscience in how each walk whether in darkness or light..

We are told not to eat and drink for conscience sake. And when you communion together you do so as one in Christ.
(1 Corinthians 10:27-28-29)

1 Corinthians10:30 For if I by grace be a partaker, why am I evil spoken of for that for which I give thanks?

I trust in Christ, that the cup of blessing in bread and blood of Christ is exactly that, a cup of blessing that freed us from sin. Christ body and blood was once given for our forgiveness. We were set free from sin, He paid the price, and we that believe walk in righteousness and thankful of those blessings. Giving praise honour and glory in HIS love for us. (remembrance)

1 Corinthians 10:31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.

~in Christ

sndbay,
Thanks.
Fred