Ask Me Help Desk - Man and Adam

Athos,
About the rocks. Basically you're saying I'm using bad science because I used a faulty scientific study? Don't you see that is the whole point! As soon as they were found out they blamed faulty testing methods and now stick to testing samples that no one can disprove and asking what age range you're looking for! Even my atheist geology professor at college thought it was amusing that they used fossils to date rocks, they use rocks to date fossils, and they ask you upfront for a large fee and the approximate age you want them to find.

Wg,
That's not oxygen but CO2. Her point was that we believe in many things we can't see, like atoms. Some things we cannot see but we can see the effects of their presence. Light, Wind, etc.

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wg,
that's not oxygen but CO2. Her point was that we believe in many things we can't see, like atoms. Some things we cannot see but we can see the effects of their presence. Light, Wind, etc.

MY point was that things can be proven somehow to be there. You are such a literalist!

Wondergirl,
When you see your breather in the wintertime cold air you see the steam from your breath not the air outside of you.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

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Wondergirl,
When you see your breather in the wintertime cold air you see the steam from your breath not the air outside of you.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Yeah, yeah, but what is the steam going into? A vacuum? I can suck in a mouthful of oxygen and blow it out. Then what?

Wondergirl.
The oxygen you breath in is absorbed by your lungs and distributed to your red blood cells.
What you breath out in carbondoxyide and moisture which does contribute to the air outside of you.
Fred.

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Wondergirl.
The oxygen you breath in is absorbed by your lungs and distributed to your red blood cells.
What you breath out in carbondoxyide and moisture which does contribute to the air outside of you.
Fred.

BUT, dear Fred, if I suck in air and hold it in my mouth (do not inhale) and then blow it out, there will be steam.

Wondergirl,
That is true, but the oxygen still cannot be seen unless it is frozen into a liquid at hundreds of degrees below zero.
Fred

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Wondergirl,
That is true, but the oxygen still cannot be seen unless it is frozen into a liquid at hundreds of degrees below zero.
Fred

Aaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggghhhhh!!

Well...
Back to the topic...
LOL

My point is that people can believe whatever they want and there are a million points of view on many things especially religion.
BUT whether you believe Adam and Eve were the only ones created or not, whether the earth is 6,000 years old or billions, whether Jesus was the son of God, whether the Bible is true.
What you believe isn't going to make one dent in WHAT IS true.
Believe God created 229 people along with Adam and Eve but that is only your point of view if you do.

I explained in the post I posted the other day why I believe that God couldn't have created more than Adam and Eve or else it would make the rest of the Bible and Jesus purpose rather meaningless

N0help4u,
The points you made with that post are very good.
Fred

Genesis Chapter 5:1
1 this is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he man.
2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

Later it goes further to explain what I did mention earlier in my post. About others being here before us, before the Fall of man. (Angelic types ).

Genesis Chapter 6:4

There were giants in the earth in those days, and also after that, When the Sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which they WERE of OLD, men of renown.

Simple scripture study.

Yep real simple. Now do you want to PROVE that the giants in the land were there BEFORE Adam and Eve OR IN THAT day in Genesis chapter 6?

It says IN THAT day so in no way does it prove they were here before Adam and Eve.

Also if they were 'angelic beings' they would have to have been fallen angels. In Sodom and Gomarrah the godly angels were protected from the village because they would not have been pure if they woulda/coulda been with humans sexually.

If you guys want to REALLY argue about the technicallitys, you could say that god simply called ALL men adam, and ALL women eve. Couldn't we?

No I Don't believe this, just trying to make a point, that you can take the words of the bible ANY and ALL ways you want. But NO ONE will know the ABSOLUTE truth until we pass on and can ask our father ourselves.

Yeah then all the Adams and Eves would have to have eatten the 'forbidden fruit' in Genesis 2.

I believe the Bible when it says we are all descendents OF Adam and Eve.
Not multiple Adams and Eves.

I agree with that too nohelp :) I was just saying we could sit here and argue about it until the end of time and not have an answer until we are in heaven getting the answer from the SOURCE :P

jenniepepsi,
I think you are right about that.
Fred

Wondergirl agrees: Adam = earth ; Eve = mother

Adam means FIRST man,
adam means man

either can mean earth

so many adams were taken out of the earth?
so many adams had to have sinned in the beginning of Genesis 2.

Eve means the mother of ALL living.

From Ancient Hebrew Research Center - Home Page

(ADM - Adam)
We are all familiar with the name "Adam" as found in the book of Genesis, but what does it really mean? Let us begin by looking at its roots. This word/name is a child root derived from the parent דם meaning, "blood". By placing the letter א in front of the parent root, the child root אדם is formed and is related in meaning to דם (blood).

By examing a few other words derived from the child root אדם we can see a common meaning in them all. The Hebrew word אדםה (adamah) is the feminine form of אדם meaning "ground" (see Genesis 2:7). The word/name אדום (Edom) means "red". Each of these words have the common meaning of "red". Dam is the "red" blood, adamah is the "red" ground, edom is the color "red" and adam is the "red" man. There is one other connection between "adam" and "adamah" as seen in Genesis 2:7 which states that "the adam" was formed out of the "adamah".

In the ancient Hebrew world, a persons name was not simply an identifier but descriptive of one's character. As Adam was formed out of the ground, his name identifies his origins.

Exactly
An indepth study shows we were all from Adam and Eve through the earth, through blood, heritage, etc...
Boiling it down to one word or one phrase ends up diverting from the real depth of the meaning.
Actually that is how the devil tricked Eve.
Its called partial truth that is meant to deceive us.

Adam,
Thanks much for that.
Fred

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exactly
an indepth study shows we were all from Adam and Eve through the earth, through blood, heritage, etc.....

Do you say we are all Israelites?

Deu 32:7-8 Remember the days of old, consider the years of many generations: ask thy father, and he will shew thee; thy elders, and they will tell thee. When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.

sndbay,
Yes, through Jesus Christ, my Lord, we Christians are all Israelites.
So I believe.
Fred

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sndbay,
Yes, through Jesus Christ, my Lord, we Christians are all Israelites.
So I believe.
Fred

Absolutely! Romans 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

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Do you say we are all Israelites?

Deu 32:7-8 Remember the days of old, consider the years of many generations: ask thy father, and he will shew thee; thy elders, and they will tell thee. When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.

WERE Israelites.
The Bible says we (gentiles) were cut off and need grafted back in.

(Genesis 5:1-29) speaks of the generations of Adam directed to Noah. And of course Noah had three sons, Shem, Japheth and Ham (Genesis 5:32) This record family lineage from Adam spoke "only of his son Seth.." This goes to Noah generation (Genesis 6:9-10) continues in family lineage with Shem Japheth and Ham. We know at this time that God looked upon the earth and found it corrupted. God said all flesh was corrupted and was corrupting Noah's way of a perfect generation (Genesis 6:9 Genesis 6:12)

Then came the flood... Up to this point we knew Cain had been sent away and we know (God told satan refer: (Genesis 3:15) from the beginning that HE would put enmity between (satan's seed/spirit of evil) and (Eve's seed/spirit of God) So we know we have the division of good and evil that does exist.

However we do know that (Cain /seed or spirit of satan) was the known as the first murderer from the beginning, and his generation is spoken of in (John 8:44)
AND Satan's seed/evil spirit is also spoken in the JEWS actions refer: (Matthew 23:35-36) when Zacharias, who is John the Baptist father, and son of Barachias, was slain by the JEWS between the altar and temple.

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To remain on track, continue in the generation after the flood of Naoh (Genesis 10:1-32) which offers the divided nations on earth, known by generation in their nations. In the middle of this family lineage and noted in (Genesis 10:5) you will find the "Gentile generation" that began with Ham (Genesis 10:20) that would have us find importance in language spoken, their countries, and nations. This is a very important description if you would understand the heritage of countries, nations and language that God will further have written in the Word to destinguish each one from another.

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WERE Israelites.
The Bible says we (gentiles) were cut off and need grafted back in.

I draw the importance on Gentiles because I trust you could better understand the refer of the Bible saying Gentiles were cut off and need grafted back in.
( It is only in the kingdom of grace that such a process, contracy to nation, can this be sucessful) Ham's son was cursed by Noah (Genesis 9:25) because Ham saw the nakedness of his father. (Genesis 9:22) One can only understand the truth of what is written in this by reference of KJV in translation or meaning in uncovered his father's nakedness. (Lev 20:11 And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.. KJV)

Ham actually had a son by his mother, who was his fourth son, Canaan that Noah cursed and made a servant to Shem (Genesis9:25-26 ) which was mentioned in an odd manner, showing Noah's sons that went forth from the ark, and then mentioned oddly among those sons is Ham's fourth son with distincive difference in being Ham's son . (Genesis 9:18)

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(Genesis 11:8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.) These are the generations of Shem (Genesis 11:10)

Through Noah's son Shem, came the generations of Terah, and Terah begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran; and Haran begat Lot. Then long after the beginning generation of Jocob, who is the son of Isaac, grandson of Abraham (Genesis25:26) God changed Jocob's name to Israel (Genesis 32:28) The 12 Tribes of Israel are of Jacob (Genesis 49:28)

All of this information as studied can show direction and distinguish the House of David as it continues. However I still find many questions in other human life that comes in contact with the Israelites. Where did they come from, the Egyptians, the Romans?

Such as Paul's hertiage as a JEW. He spoke of being born in Tarsus , a city in Cilicia, maritime province in the southeast of Asia Minor, boarding on Pamphylia in the west, Lycaonia and Cappadocia in the north and Syria in the east.

Tarsus was a major city in Cilicia and the birthplace and early home of Paul.( Acts 9:11; 21:39; 22:3) Even in the flourishing period of Greek history it was an important city. In the Roman civil wars, it sided with Caesar and on the occasion of a visit from him its name changed to Juliopolis. Augustus made it a free city. Its was renowned as a place of education under the early Roman emperors. Strabo compares it in this respect to Athens and Alexandria. Tarsus also was a place of much commerce. It was situated in a wild and fertile plain on the banks of the Cydnus

Act 22:3 I am verily a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, [and] taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day.

Gamalie was a Pharisee and celebrated doctor of the law, who gave prudent worldly advice in the Sanhedrin respecting the treatment of the followers of Jesus of Nazareth. Acts 5:34 (A.D.29.) We learn from Acts 22:3 that he was the preceptor of Paul. He is generally identified with the very celebrated Jewish doctor Gamaliel, grandson of Hillel, and who is referred to as authority in the Jewish Mishna.

Act 6:9 Then there arose certain of the synagogue, which is called the synagogue of the Libertines, and Cyrenians, and Alexandrians, and of them of Cilicia and of Asia, disputing with Stephen.

The Libertines denotes Jews (according to Philo) who had been made captives of the Romans under Pompey but were afterwards set free; and who although they had fixed their abode in Rome, had built at their own expense a synagogue at Jerusalem which they frequented when in that city, The name Libertines adhered to them to distinguish them from free born Jews who had subsequently taken up their residence at Rome. Evidence seems to have been discovered of the existence of a "synagogue of the Libertines" at Pompeii.

sndbay marvelious of you to lay out a time line for us but you have proven nothing but demonstrated that you fail to understand the length of time over which these events took place and the ability of the human race to multiply itself in a few generations. Your lack of understanding causes you to make false connections and assumptions and to ask silly questions such as where did the Romans come from. We know Roman history, We know much of Egyptian history. Civilisations established themselves in a few auspicious fertile places

Sndbay,
Thanks much for that.
Well done.
Fred

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sndbay marvelious of you to lay out a time line for us but you have proven nothing but demonstrated that you fail to understand the the length of time over which these events took place and the ability of the human race to multiply itself in a a few generations.

Excuse me, but what I have laid out is what is written in scripture. If I have failed to lay out what is written then please tell me the correct demonstration. The time frame for these generations of nations are years and years, and it too is written if you cared to read additional facts in how long each lived. My main focus was to offer the Israelite nation, and the Gentile nation connection to Adam and Eve's beginning.

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Your lack of understanding causes you to make false connections and assumptions and to ask silly questions such as where did the Romans come from.

Rather then point out your opinion of me, and what I have offered, why not offer what makes your opinon different by what is written in scripture. Tell me how the Romans came from Adam and the Egyptians for that matter?

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We know Roman history, We know much of Egyptian history. Civilisations established themselves in a few auspicious fertile places

Connect the lineage to what is written in scripture?

I agree with Homesell. I have learned to accept the Bible at face value. That's part of trusting God completely. If He said it, then I believe it. He did say, "nothing was impossible for God."

Would we have trusted God as much if He had "filled in all the places." Why do we have to have all the answers. That is what makes our LIVING GOD different from all the other gods that are made from man. Evolutionists are busy trying to piece everything together to make their belief work for them. Every other belief has a beginning and end because it was written by man for man.

God who is the author of the Bible, clearly told Moses what He wanted us to know and thus it was written. It is up to us as Christians to accept it by faith. It also shows God that we believe Him even though we can't explain it.

At one time, I also had lots of questions about what was not "filled in" in the Bible. God had a way of telling me to "just let it go and Trust Me on this," which is what I did.

You guys have raised a lot of answers that a lot of Christians think about, but in the end, it remains the same. The Bible does not change and we will have to accept it as God wrote it, or try to fill in the "gaps" ourselves which can cause confusion. Besides there is nothing wrong with not being able to explain everything in the Bible.

Remember God's ways and thoughts are higher than ours. His ways are always right. He expects us to have "blind Faith." We can't explain how he made man from dust, but we have to accept that too. RNRG

Sndbay,

I agree absolutely. I meant that to be understood in what I wrote. I believe the Bible should be a part of our daily life. That is one of the ways that God speaks to us. If we neglect to study it and seek guidance from God, then we leave ourselves vulnerable to every old and "new" thing that the world has to offer.

I only posted to point out that "I" have to be settled on what I believe so that when I share with others I don't cause them confusion. There is enough of that already. But yes, I do agree with you about Scripture. It is "food" for our Spiritual bodies.

God's Words are precious and should be handled so. There are so many people against God that I try to share His word with as much clarity as possible (This requires my dependence on the Holy Spirit to give me the words that they need to hear.) The "gaps" in the Bible have only caused more "reason" for the non-believers to not accept God. So, I try to practice I Peter 3:5 But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, 16keeping a clear conscience, so that those who speak maliciously against your good behavior in Christ may be ashamed of their slander. Rita

Sndbay Here again we have a false premise. You want me to connect the Romans and the Egyptians to Adam and Eve for you, but they have the same connection as all of us, through Noah.

There was obviously a creation before the Flood and one after, which I refer to as a re-creation. There could have been more than this last re-creation also.
Something here I found on the web. I look for many different sources and viewpoints and try to piece together some sort of picture. I seek the truth...

"Jeremiah 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. 24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. 25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. 26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger. 27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end. 28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black; because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.

If this previous creation did not include the strange collection of fauna and flora, which included dinosaurs clearly evidenced in the geological record, our biosphere is at least the third creation. This would account for the existence of and validate the histories of many cultures going back many thousands of years before the accepted creation "timeline", and anomalous archeological finds known as "out of place artifacts".

"Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. It is not clear whether this refers to the past or present creation, but does provide clarification in either case."

Genesis 1:2 says the earth was without form and void.
What you are referring to is called the gap theory and I do believe it because of the otherwise unexplainable things you mentioned, the pyramids and some things mentioned in the Bible.

BUT I do not believe man lived in the pre existing earths. Man could not have came from that existence to this creation.

We each believe what we want too. Like I said, I seek truth, no matter if I like what I find...
Ancient Aircraft - Crystalinks

We can each believe what we like but we can't all be believing the truth because truth can not fit into what we each wish to believe otherwise it would be part truths

Yep. I bet Ezekiel had a time with the truth he witnessed first hand...

Yeah that's true.

sndbay,
I hope he can do that.
Fred