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You really need to stop listening to John Hagee. He has a way of "retarding" the truth.
Here it is one more time. If you don't get it this time, there is nothing more I can say.
Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.
If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him."
John 14:6-7
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Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck
Agreed. The difference here is that magprob is spouting anti-Jewish propganda suggesting that Jews as a people are condemned, which is clearly not scriptural, and as I said before, extremely offensive.
The truth is that all men have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God (Rom 3:23), and none can claim superiority because of their race over another.
The Jews are, however God's chosen people, because God chose the Jewish people to be the people through whom the Messiah would enter the world. This does not mean that they are saved without the blood of Christ, but it does mean God has given special honour to the Jews and have given warning about those who boast against the Jews.
From what I see on here, I read nothing but hate for the Jews in your messages. Don't forget, Jesus Himself came as a Jew. How can you claim to honour Jesus if you hate the Jews?Quote:
Originally Posted by magprob
I don't know who you are talking to, but I for one have nothing to do with John Hagee.Quote:
Originally Posted by magprob
But I do note that you chose not respond to my question regarding you anti-Jewish rants.
That is not what I have said at all. You just like to fight your fights with the fear of antisemitism. But since I understand the true nature of Israel, and the people that claim to be "GODs chosen", I am not talking about Jewish people. They are not the real Jewish people spoken of in the Bible. I am sorry you cannot grasp the truth of the situation and you must sling about the word, antisemite. Sorry to disappoint you but that is not me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tj3
You see, you even want to take away the Jews genetic heritage from them. Read Romans 11.Quote:
Originally Posted by magprob
Where in scripture do we find any basis for such a hatred?
Whew, now that is just plain ignorance. OK, you win.
TexasParent,
I agree with Fr Chuck.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
Hello Fred,Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
I don't understand what you mean by your post. First, who is "Fr Chuck" and in what
Context to you agree with "Fr Chuck" as it relates to something I posted.
Texas Parent,
I was referring to what Fr. Chuck said above on this.
Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck View Post
From the Christian faith, yes, those that reject Christ * Jesus* are rejecting God. So anyone that is believing in the Bible will believe in Christ Jesus.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
From your view, your truth, your belief, your authority - the Bible which is God's word, of course you do; as does Fr Chuck; and I respect your individual beliefs.Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
I happen to believe differently and unfortunately presented my belief (my truth) in comparison to Fr Chucks belief; erroneously thinking that there was some middle ground between our truths and they were the object of fair comparison.
In thinking it through further I will try and refrain from framing my posts as an argument with Christian's or Christian belief or other beliefs for that matter, because the truth of the matter is, I cannot argue with what you believe to be truth; one person's truth cannot trump another's unless they are actively seeking the truth to which they yet do not know; and my perception is that Christian's have no doubt what their truth is and do not waver.
Peace and kindness to you too (those are words I do believe in).
In the "I agree with you" section I was not allowed to make by whole comment about who is "real" Israel and "the Jews".Quote:
Originally Posted by magprob
Rom 9:6-8
6 It is not as though God's word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham's children. On the contrary, "It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned." 8 In other words, it is not the natural children who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring.
NIV
Rev 2:8-9
9 I know your afflictions and your poverty — yet you are rich! I know the slander of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.
NIV
It is only the spiritual descendents of Abraham, Jew and Gentile, who will be saved; because faith in the "seed" is necessary.
But those who call themselves Jews today by right of their bloodline do have an irrevocable promise from God concerning the land which He promesed them IF they worship only Him.. . a kind of weird concept if they reject His word concering the "ha mashiach". But God honors His word above His name.
We believe Jesus is saying, "I am God and this is what you must do to be saved."Quote:
Originally Posted by TexasParent
Sincerely,
De Maria
I do agree, love will save you from sin.Quote:
Originally Posted by De Maria
Love does not save you - the blood of Jesus sacrificed on the cross is the only way to be saved.Quote:
Originally Posted by TexasParent
Respectfully, that is your opinion and YOUR truth. My life, experiences, and MY relationship with God as he has revealed himself to me personally tell me differently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tj3
I am going by the God of the Bible and what He chose to reveal in the Bible. You are welcome to follow whatever god is telling you otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by TexasParent
There are many opinions but if it is the Christian God, there is only one truth, and that is Jesus, anyone else's idea that does not follow what the bible teach is just wrong by the word of God that all Christians follow in the bible.
You can not be a Christian and make up ideas not in the bible.
TexasParent,
I do believe that love saves.
It is God's love, His grace, that saves.
All we have to do is do as he asks.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
No one has ever done what he asks except for Jesus Himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
We must trust in the grace of God which come solely from the blood sacrificed on the cross as we received Jesus as Lord and Saviour.
Tj3,
I thought that YOU had faith as God asks.
I do.
I thot that you believed that faith saves.
That's one of the thinngs that God asks us to do.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
Respectfully can I ask why some Christian's of different denominations think the same scripture passage means different things. If both can't agree then one is making it up, and the other is the truth. Who decides what is true in the bible even amongst Christian's? If those Christian's opposing the majority view (does the majority determine truth?) are making it up, why can't non-"Christian's" have views on the interpretation of the bible which would seem to qualify as truthful interpretation since Christian's who differ claim that their interpretation is the truth?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck
The New Testament even says first to the Jew and then the gentile. The gentile is grafted in.
I believe that it means that the Jew is still favored by God. The Bible also teaches to love the Jewish people and you will be favored by God.
Fred,Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
My faith is in Jesus Christ. My faith is not in my works.
This is true! Now I pose this; can you keep the First Commandment without being saved?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tj3
In other words, is it possible for you or me to love as God requires without the help of His Holy Spirit within us? I think not.
Tj3,
That is what I thought you believed but your former post said otherwise.
Fred
Fred, let's be honest. Quote what I said.Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
I think Mag took a lot of heat because of things not well understood. In centuries past there have been tribes that adopted Judaism as their "official" religion and therfore became "Jews". They are not related by blood to Abraham, but are still known as Jews. I doubt there is hatred in this, but only a recognition of historical facts.
God does indeed have a plan for National Israel, but that nation will suffer terribly in the coming Tribulation and will be decimated before Jesus actually returns. The standard for salvation is the same for Jews and non-Jews alike. Faith in the completed work of Jesus Christ.
The scriptures in the OP are Millennial prophecies.
Tj3,
I am honest.
Don't try to say that I ma not.
You said. "No one has ever done what he asks except for Jesus Himself."
That was in response to my saying that we should do as He asks.
He asks us to do many thing and one of them is to have faith.
Your statement appeared to say that Only Jesus had faith and did as God asks.
I hope that clarifies it for you.
Fred
That comes straight from the Bible.Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
Read Romans 3:23.
Rom 3:22-23
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
NKJV
I should add, that you referred to this in the context of salvation - that we must do what He asks to be saved, and yet scripture says that we cannot please God in the flesh, which all men are until saved:
Rom 8:8
8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
NKJV
Again, please deal honestly with what others say.
Tj3,
I have always deal honestly with you and others.
With all due respect I suggest that you take your own advice.
Peace and kindness,'Fred
Fred, I just proved otherwise. Protestations are not convincing unless backed up by behaviour. Your response would have come off better if you had simply said that you mis-understood, or apologized for your error.Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
Now, let's get back to the topic, shall we?
Tj3,
There was nothing for me to apologize for.
Obviously you di not understand what I was saying.
I will not go on with this any farther until you do finally understand.
Fred'
Perhaps you haven't noticed that others did not understand your comments either, because you falsely claimed that I said something that I did not say.Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
Fred, it does not lessen you as a person to admit that you mis-spoke - if anything it speaks well of a person's character.
In any case, I am glad to hear that you won't go on. I am on here to discuss the topic.
Tj3,
You said it and I quoted what YOU said.
Like I said I will carry this no farther.
So you might as well drop it or gave the last word whatever it might be.
Fred
Quite right.Quote:
Originally Posted by N0help4u
Jer 31:35-37
35 Thus says the LORD,
Who gives the sun for a light by day,
The ordinances of the moon and the stars for a light by night,
Who disturbs the sea,
And its waves roar
(The LORD of hosts is His name):
36 "If those ordinances depart
From before Me, says the LORD,
Then the seed of Israel shall also cease
From being a nation before Me forever."
37 Thus says the LORD:
"If heaven above can be measured,
And the foundations of the earth searched out beneath,
I will also cast off all the seed of Israel
For all that they have done, says the LORD.
NKJV
I do not understand how anyone can deny the faithfulness of God towards Israel and the Jews. I think that God makes it clear from this and other passages that He has not and will not reject Israel.
Fred,Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
Give it up. You did not quote me - you claimed that I said something that I did not, and then when you did post a quote, it did not say what you claimed. You are just making it look worse the more you repeat your false accusations. If you are not willing to just admit a mistake, then just drop it, and stop making false accusations.
So much for your statement that you would not carry on.
I have heard that the question of just who is or is not a Jew is often debated in Israel, so I guess it is acceptable for us to consider it.
To illustrate: A day or so ago I saw a black man (not just brown skinned) make the statement that he is a Hebrew. Now I seriously doubt that the descendants of Abraham are not subject to the laws of genetics, so I must assume that what this man means is that he is an adherent of Judaism, and is a Jew by religion.
So there are Jews who are not of Abraham and therefore have no right to claim rights to the Abrahamic covenant, unless they claim to be brought in as proselytes.
That is not a valid assumption. Don't forget the blacks Jews of Ethiopia. Also just this past year, a community of Jews was discovered in India and recognized by Israel as qualifying for residency as Jews in Israel. So throughout history, there may have been mixing of races, but just because they have mixed race does not make them any less Jewish. Keep in mind that Jesus had gentile blood in His ancestry also.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galveston1
Galveston1,
There are Jews in several races, even in Jesus time,
Jesus himself was of mixed blood, check his ancestry.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
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