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sndbay ,
McCain is NO saint.
But...
Don't make light of the true fact that Obama is extremely liberal in regard to abortions.
IF he becomes president he will try to make abortions easier to get and set aside the partial birth abortion ban.
That means that MILLIONS more of persons in the womb will be killed.
That's more people killed than in our two world wars.
There is no political subject more important than abortions.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
You've heard Obama say this, or he told you this?Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
Hello there Fred, I already posted #17 and #40.. And abortions is {{not}} the WILL of GOD nor is same sex marriages. The wrath of God could come as the result of this action.Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
1. reap what we sow = failing economy
2. fighting evil for freedom and peace =Afghanistan war
3. fighting to save the innocents from evil = Iraq war
4. known thereout the scriptures = Relations with our allies
5. bondage without recourse = whipsawing stock market
6. false priorities = poor education in US
7. forgetful of God and in Him that brings hope = on and on!
(perhaps God would allow are children to benefit by wisdom if we brought back the bible in history study within the schools.
8. same sex marriages = Sodom and Gomorrah
9. innocent babies abortion = killing the innocent
10. race and gender issues = love one another
Is anyone going to bring up the issues of abortions because of rape or lethal conditions? These are 2 reasons I think that a girl should have a choice. My cousin found out she that her baby would be stillborn if she made it through the whole pregnancy and the doctors said the chances that she would survive to carry the baby to term were slim. The baby had a lethal condition and had 69 chromosomes. I think girls in these kind of situations should have a choice. It broke her heart to follow through with it because she wanted a little girl for so long.
Obamas voting record, he did not support the ban on partial birth abortions. One just has to look at his voting record on this issue.
On economy, OK Bush did not stop it, but the program on the high risk loans to people that can not afford them started with Clinton, his last year,
So basically the house loan fall is a democrat program that is now finally hitting, as was warned when it was first started.
** not again Bush did not try to stop the program but it was not his program.
The Republicans got the banks deregulated.
My heart always goes out to those in times of sorrow, and pain. And this pain whether before birth on earth or before death that is followed by a spiritual birth, has a greater chance for rejoiced thanksgiving, if with the love of God each choice is held in stedfast belief to prayer in the Name of Jesus (His Will be done. John 14:13)Quote:
Originally Posted by ZoeMarie
In any case each soul belongs to God. (Ezekiel 18:4) It is against God's commandments in premeditated innocence of death to take a life.
The gift of birth is a blessing, as is the birth of resurrection. Absence from this world is present with the Lord. (2 Corinthians 5:7-8 Ecclesiasters 12:6-7 ) Rest in comfort to do the Will the God.
According to your faith be it unto you.
Fannie Mae and Freddie Max strated under Carter. I don't know if you're old enough to remember those days. If you waited more than a week or two to take your pay check (assuming you were working) to the grocery store it lost buying power. Also, if you had a job, you couldn’t get a raise; the Fed’s tried to control wage and prices. It didn’t work, only wages were controlled, prices continued to skyrocket. My work day was upwards of 16 hours most days of the week, working to support my family and attending College. Sunday Mass was sleep time. If you want a return to these Good ol' days, just leave me out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck
Obama’s programs remind me of the Greater Carter years (all the 20-somethings voted for him, they wanted CHANGE Too -sound familiar?) - I was smarter; but it didn’t do any good – he still got elected. Inflation was running extremely high. The prime rate was as high as 20% - maybe more. Gasoline became difficult to find at reasonable prices. Reinvigorating the “Great Society” the government erected slums which were destroyed by the tenants within a few short years. To add insult to the Democrat surrender of Vietnam, Iranian Marist radicals invaded the US Embassy in 1978 taking hostages. They weren’t released until after Ragan took office.
When I came back from Vietnam in 1969 I had to suffer the humiliation of the lying John Kerry and his Clan of Communist (not to mention the Bill Ayers group. I guess I must’ve been Genghis Khan’s right had man – having lived in south Asia I knew how the people were enslaved by communism and socialism. I volunteered to go to Asia.)
I came to realize the Democrats didn’t just represent these groups; they are thousands of John Kerrys the Bill Ayers. Democrats are intellectual fascists, terrorists, and power mongers. To this day I relate "un-American" with the Democrat Party. I don’t hold a grudge long, but I’ll never vote for the people that spat on Marines returning from their tour in Vietnam. They did their duty: winning the battles, they fought the jungles, built roads, bridges and they cared for those caught in the middle of the conflict. John Murtha, like Kerry, shows his respect for the men and women in the armed forces and supports Obama'a view of the military by accusing our men of, “[killing] innocent civilians in cold blood.” By the way, all the accused have been acquitted. But, of course these high mighty intellectuals are above apologies. The scumbags.
Obama is the political son of Ayers, the brother of Murtha and Kerry, and a socialist. I don’t look for a good future if he gets elected. Notice that in a speech yesterday he implied that “sacrifice” was necessary for our economic future, (these intellectuals sacrifice what you work for). He said that we can’t live the life style we once did- his administration is dedicated to make sure that everybody shares the wealth (after tax of course). He’ll make Castro look as innocent Carter.
You got to be kidding, I’ll never vote Democrat. I don’t care if Obama is the messiah of change.
Gee, I only meant to tell you about how bad socialist Democrats can make the economy. Sorry for the rant; but look at the bright side, now you’ll get a lot of traffic on this thread.
Semper Fi
JoeT
Wondergirl
Yes Obama said that.
His voting record proves that.
Vote your Christian conscience and live with it.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
JoeT777,
Yes you are right but it was the Clinton administration what expanded the housing loan companies' ability to loan to high risk people.
I do have to admit that I not only voted for Carter. I actively campaigned for him.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
NOOOO! Not you!Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
I tried to re-inlisted during the Carter years to feed my family! That's how rough it got. At least you know why I'll never vote Democrat. We, the taxpaying people, were little more than experiments in their bid for power.
JoeT
JoeT777,
Yes, Joe, Now I know.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
That’s OK Fred, now we both know. But, the least we can do is warn the 20-somethings that, like Panoccio learned, there are no free rides. Somebody pays or we turn into donkeys.
JoeT
JoeT777,
Indeed!!
Fred
Oh please, like he will ever admit it, or worse, volunteer this information that will let people know how he really thinks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Actions speak louder than words. You need to learn how to put 2 and 2 together.
A lot of little incongruities with a recurrent theme.
Well I think we all have our "sins" however I will vote for the more experienced man, who I can tell loves his country and wants to take care of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
In this fragile time, politically and economically.
And the one without all the red flags about his past, his associations, his school of thought, please.
And no I don't want free giveouts/handouts. I want competition and better prices, more jobs.
I want to create new wealth not recycle it. I don't want to try the "trickle-up poverty" experiment, no thanks.
Then you will certainly be happy when Barack Obama becomes president.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyprine
Actually, Bush raised red flags starting in April 2001. Warnings escalated thereafter. He (or his admin) did propose legislation to regulate this program, but the ALL the democrats voted against it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPSDnGMzIdo
They were more concerned with promoting their naïve agenda.
From what I have seen, it is the pragmatic right that benefits the common people more, despite all the rhetoric from the left.
Bill Clinton agrees that democrats caused financial crisis.
I agree. We need to counteract misinformation. I myself am in my mid twenties, but yes, most young people lean democratic.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeT777
I really don't care about party loyalty, but rather finding the truth, and I've found more BS in the left than in the right. Sorry. That's my story so far.
Ha ha haha ha haQuote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Not a chance, Obama wants to spead the wealth around. Well I know like most Americans know, we work hard to make the money we make. We work hard to give our children all that we never had...And none of it was free to us, there is nothing free in life.. Someone has to pay! We need to go forward not back, not learning from the past is a mistake. STOP blaming and pointing the finger, WE THE PEOPLE have seen that we now reap what was sow in credit debt...Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Our military fights for our rights to freedom, so we can grow and live here in the US. We The People Stand... United under God to fight evil who looks to destroy the innocent world wide. I for one do not want to give up that Standing, and pray that God will strength us, and forgive the bad choices we have made.
Same sex marriages and abortion are not the Will of God. Should these things continue then the wrath of God will be on those who did not treasure in God fear. Those that have an ear let them hear...
Isa 33:6 And wisdom and knowledge shall be the stability of thy times, and strength of salvation: the fear of the LORD is his treasure.
Deu 30:1 And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee,
You totally misunderstand what that means. Check back in a year and let me know what you think has happened with your money.Quote:
Originally Posted by sndbay
It doesn't matter, the end of times is near, or so I'm told on this site.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
The more money someone makes the more taxes they will pay.." Obama said like me" He, himself is willing to pay more taxes so that the non-working and lower paid can keep their money. Those people will receive a tax break = money back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Who do you suppose will pay for that tax cut that is given in speading the wealth. It will come from those who make more money and work harder. Those that even work two jobs to make ends meet.. or both spouse incomes.
Those that have nothing in life will have more, and those who have more will have less..
Of course I believe we should spend less to help ourselves out of credit card debt, but the facts are still the same with Obama's plan. If we work hard to pay are debts off we will also be working to pay for that tax cut needed to fork over money for those not working or lesser paid. So it becomes less important to be paid more then your co-workers because if they receive a tax cut and you don't..someone has to fork the money over for them to get money back in tax cut.. Spead the wealth is an idea that makes everyone becomes more able on a standard level .. humm what countries do this ?
Those just starting out in life have an advantage, or those in school. We will all help them get to where they are going. but we will either have to work harder again, or stop living as we are, and spend less because we certain won't be able to pay our own debts. We become more standard level...
Those who work two jobs make more than $250,000 a year? I have next-door neighbor spouses who work three jobs each and don't make that much.Quote:
Originally Posted by sndbay
This is how it is now, and has been for a long time.Quote:
Originally Posted by sndbay
Cyprine,
You are more advance than your years.
Remember that Winston Churchill accurately said, "If a young person is not a liberal he has no heart. If an old person is not a conservative he has no brains."
I see that you have brains.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
This quotation is frequently but mistakenly attributed to Churchill.
It is anyway unlikely that Churchill would subscribe to this
Philosophy: He was a swashbuckling soldier at 20, and a Conservative
Member of Parliament at 25. A couple of years later he switched to the
Liberal Party (which was not liberal in the modern sense), and later
Went back to the Conservatives.
The phrase originated with Francois Guisot (1787-1874): "Not to be a
republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is
proof of want of head." It was revived by French Premier Georges
Clemenceau (1841-1929): "Not to be a socialist at twenty is proof of
want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head."
Hello again, C:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyprine
Even if what you say is true, the Republicans had control of ALL THREE branches of government, and could have passed those kind of rules if THEY, and ONLY they, wanted to... They didn't NEED the Democrats. They couldn't stop 'em.
But, their Wall Street buddies were making bundles of dough, so they didn't.
excon
Republican does not necessarily equal conservative.
Are you middle class America?Quote:
Originally Posted by jjwoodhull
The middle class are not getting additional deduction, and their earnings will be high enough to pay more taxes yet no additional deduction to help their style of life. Middle class Americans hold the largest among of debt shown in our country, living over their head by credit , and mortgage payments higher because of the rise in the housing market over the last few years. 401K doesn't look as good because of the market, and retirement falls back further and further because of the economy that has been caused by WE THE PEOPLE.. We work more and more hours to meet heating expense, travel cost, and medical coverage, not to forget regular utility cost. Then we have those activities for the child's, and our accasional trip or vacation, along with holiday expenses. How do you save and plan for retirement, and should we give up on what we have save for ourselves and our children, because someone has their hand out. The struggle was worth our effect..
Tell me, if we can achieve what we have, why is it that today someone has to give benefits that were not here before.. It was always good to learn how hard work brought the value of life to whatever we hoped. And with God blessing everything grows.
I am registered Republican but when I read the definition of conservative it doesn't seem to be me. But I AM for small government, the competition and innovation of the capitalist system, and most traditional values.
If I was 15 again, with my mentality (naive) back then, I easily see myself supporting Obama. On the "heart" level all that sounds nice, but it will not work. Add on top of that all his "red flags."
I also used to think I could befriend anyone, no matter how crazy, outcast, or dangerous and it would be all good. I also used to think you could change people. I used to think gang members were just "misunderstood."
But, lo and behold I have changed. To me, the ultra-liberals lack character and common-sense. Yes there must be bad Republicans like there is bad anywhere (even in the Catholic church priests). What can I say...
arcura,
I guess I'm an old person by now! http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/a...shamed0004.gif
By the way, I admire Churchill, I think his ideas apply to today too. Lets not play appeasement, we all saw how wrong that went.
Cyprine,
I agree.
I'm a moderate.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
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