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NO You can not loose your salvation, because once you give your heart to Jesus Christ, He will hold on to it forever. You may give up in It, but He will always have your hand, and will never let go. Once you give your heart, there is no taking It back. GOD bless!
Thomaslover_C
Sorry but that is not biblical.
As has been pointed out here a person can lose his/her salvation.
Please read these post again.
Several ways persons can loses their salvation has been provided here.
Please and kindness,
Fred (arcura)
Once you give your heart, there is no taking It back.
I can agree with Thomaslover because she said once you have him IN your heart,
not lip service of professing Christians that CAN 'lose their salvation'.
They word have I hid in my heart that I might not sin against thee.
The scripture in Deuteronomy speak of lightly esteemed which means to be foolish, or to
Wither and fade the Rock of your own salvation.
Deu. 32:15 But Jeshurun waxed fat, and kicked: thou art waxen fat, thou art grown thick, thou art covered [with fatness]; then he forsook God [which] made him, and lightly esteemed the Rock of his salvation.
Note: Psalms 3:8 Salvation [belongeth] unto the LORD: thy blessing [is] upon thy people. Selah.
The coming and going of salvation lies in the hands of the Lord. Christ brought salvation, and Christ gave salvation to those who believe in Him. But I would not question whether God would become as jealous as He says in Deuteronomy scripture to anyone that forsook Him.
Fred,Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
Scripture is specific that one cannot lose their salvation. (John 10:28-29)
It is indeed possible for a person to walk away from their salvation (and scripture gives several examples of that), but they cannot lose it.
Salvation is given to us by Christ.. If and when any decision on anyone's salvation is in question, it would be Christ only that judges.. Always causion yourself in judgement of others, no matter what your mortal mind thinks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Criado
The same goes to Fred in judgement of forgiveness.. We are told to forgive or not be forgiven, but don't make the mistake in thinking you can judge the salvation of someone else or yourself because you question their forgiving nature, unforgiving nature, or their heart... Salvation belongth to the Lord Psalms 3:8
Tj3,
Scripture IS specific when Jesus says that if you do not forgive you will not be forgiven.
God forgives us as we forgive others.
If you are not forgiven than you will lose any salvation you might have had.
Just a day or so back you said that you do not believe in Know-so-salvation and now you come back and claim that Scripture indicates that.
So once again you make me not trust what you say.
I'm still praying for you.
Fred (arcura)
Fred, it is dishonest to mis-represent what I said. I said nothing of the sort.Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
I said that I do not believe in once-saved-always-saved. You keep using that term "know so salvation" and have refused to define it every time asked, so I have never said that I do or do not believe it whatever it is, because I will not respond if you refuse to define your terms.
Once again, Fred, will you define your terms? Or are you playing games?
Fred, I could not care less what you think of me. You go from board to board playing these same games.Quote:
So once again you make me not trust what you say.
Tj3,
Once saved always saved and Know-so-salvation are the same thing as used by several different denominations, primarily various Baptist denominations.
To me they are the same non-biblical teaching because a person can lose his/her salvation via several ways.
And, only God knows for sure who will God to heaven.
Neither you or I or anyone else here knows for sure.
Peace and kindness,
Fred (arcura)
Fred,Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
I did not realize that was your derogatory term for OSAS. But nonetheless, I do not believe in OSAS - why do you choose to mis-represent me? Don't you have enough to do trying to defend your denomination's doctrines?
Second, your lack of knowledge of Baptist denominations is horrendous. If you take 5 minutes some day to check out even the basics, you will find that Baptist denominations go from Arminian through to Calvinist, and most variations in between. It should not take you any longer than that to find out how wrong your mis-understanding is.
Do you know the difference between "losing" your salvation, and willfully choosing to walk away from it?Quote:
To me they are the same non-biblical teaching because a person can lose his/her salvation via several ways.
Do you know that people who believe in OSAS believe that you can do neither?
Can you show me a single verse that says that you can "lose" your salvation?
If you believe that a person can lose their salvation, how do you explain this?
John 10:27-30
28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand.
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Now, people can walk away from salvation - scripture says so:
1 Tim 4:1-4
4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, 3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.
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(BTW, do you find the examples of false doctrines to be interesting)
Tj3,
I did not intentionally misrepresent you as I explained.
If that upsets you I am sorry that it does.
I will henceforth try to keep in mind that you think that OSAS and Know-so-salvation are not the same thing as a great many other people do believe they are the same.
I have had several people of different denominations tell me that they believe that they are the same.
One verse, my goodness there are several, but the one I have used the most here that shows that a person can loses the salvation they may once have had is from the lips of Jesus.
From the NJB Matthew 6: 14. `Yes, if you forgive others their failings, your heavenly Father will forgive you yours;
15. But if you do not forgive others, your Father will not forgive your failings either."
As you know a person must be forgiven to get into heaven.
I know several people who were at one time very forgiven but something bad happened to them caused by another person and they refuse to forgive that person's crime against them.
On the other hand I know a mother here in Montana who's daughter was raped and murdered by a man who she now has publicly forgiven him.
I forgive everyone who has sinned against me by thought word or deed whether I know about the sins or not.
That is the way I ask God to forgive me and according to Jesus, God the Son, I will be forgiven in that manner.
He taught us to pray that way, "Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us."
I pray that way every day for you and everyone who has sinned against me and ask that your sins (whatever they may be) will be forgiven by God.
Why? The answer is that I would like to meet you in paradise.
Peace and kindness,
Fred (arcura)
Matthew 6: 14. `Yes, if you forgive others their failings, your heavenly Father will forgive you yours;
15. But if you do not forgive others, your Father will not forgive your failings either."
As you know a person must be forgiven to get into heaven.
Then you believe we must 'get saved' over and over all day long? Do I understand you right?
Suppose I am hit by another car and have great rage against him, then go over a cliff before I have time to forgive him. Will I have lost my salvation?
The four gospels were before Christ died and was raised again. Salvation was not available to us before this happened. Jesus could forgive sins, but the grace of God has not been poured out, esp. on the Gentiles: We were 'without hope'
Romans 5
1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: 2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
Ephesians 2:11-13 KJV)
11Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
It is by faith that we are saved, and that by grace: Romanss 10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Romans 8 1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
I believe that the Blood has not lost Its power! And He forgives our iniquities, sins we do not even know we do.
However Mark 3:29
But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.
I do not believe a sinner can commit this sin, I believe one must know that he is doing this, and deliberately does this, not by accident, but on purpose. I cannot imagine why anyone would, but if it were not possible, it would not be written in God's Word.
I do not believe a person can 'misplace' their salvation, or commit any sin that is not already covered by the Blood of Jesus; except for blaspheme against the Holy Ghost. I do believe this sin will take away our salvation.
I do believe we are to forgive others, but I do not believe our salvation rests on that. Salvation is so much more than just forgiveness of sins. Jesus could forgive sin while on earth, but now He is sitting on the right hand of the majesty on high. He is our constant Intercessor, He sent the Spirit of God to live in us and operate through us. Salvation includes ever thing we could ever need, forgiveness is only a part of that.
Sin is sin, holding a grudge against someone is not worse than murder, hatred is considered the same as murder, and lusting is the same as adultery. The sin problem was done away with in Christ. He took our sins and carried our griefs, and by His stripes, we are healed. No, I don't think that means we have a ticket to sin, but sin has no power over me.
2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Now, 1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
He told us all the law and the prophets hang on these two commandments: that we should love God with all our heart, soul and strength, and to love our neighbor as ourselves. That does include, but is not exclusive to, forgiving them.
I believe one must study the whole Bible and study each verse in context, and not pick and chose verses they like or only the ones they understand.
I have had the experience many times over the years, of reading a verse I'd read a hundred times, knew it by heart, and suddenly get a whole new revelation of what it meant.
The Holy Spirit is our Teacher; He will lead and guide us into all truth. He will show us the will of God for our lives.
Does it really matter if a person can lose his salvation or not? We are saved by faith, through grace and that is the gift of God, as long as we hold onto our faith, we are not in any danger one way or the other. Unless, we decide to blaspheme.
But you did Fred - I had told you many times before what I believe in this regard.Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
There is no such thing as "know-so" salvation. That is your personal derogatory term for people you don't agree with. Therefore define it as you wish.Quote:
I will henceforth try to keep in mind that you think that OSAS and Know-so-salvation are not the same thing as a great many other people do believe they are the same.
This does not speak to the matter of whether you can lose your salvation.Quote:
From the NJB Matthew 6: 14. `Yes, if you forgive others their failings, your heavenly Father will forgive you yours;
15. But if you do not forgive others, your Father will not forgive your failings either."
As you know a person must be forgiven to get into heaven.
I know several people who were at one time very forgiven but something bad happened to them caused by another person and they refuse to forgive that person's crime against them.
On the other hand I know a mother here in Montana who's daughter was raped and murdered by a man who she now has publicly forgiven him.
I forgive everyone who has sinned against me by thought word or deed whether I know about the sins or not.
No. We believe we must:Quote:
Originally Posted by tsila1777
Philippians 2 12 Wherefore, my dearly beloved, (as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but much more now in my absence,) with fear and trembling work out your salvation.
We don't believe in judging ourselves:
1 Corinthians 4 3 But to me it is a very small thing to be judged by you, or by man's day; but neither do I judge my own self.
1 Corinthians 10 12 Wherefore he that thinketh himself to stand, let him take heed lest he fall.
Therefore we do not exalt ourselves.
What does Scripture say:Quote:
Suppose I am hit by another car and have great rage against him, then go over a cliff before I have time to forgive him. Will I have lost my salvation?
Luke 6 37 Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned. Forgive, and you shall be forgiven.
This is what the Church teaches.
So, we are not condemned if we do not sin. That is what this verse says.Quote:
The four gospels were before Christ died and was raised again. Salvation was not available to us before this happened. Jesus could forgive sins, but the grace of God has not been poured out, esp. on the Gentiles: We were ‘without hope’
Romans 5
1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: 2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
Ephesians 2:11-13 KJV)
11Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
It is by faith that we are saved, and that by grace: Romanss 10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Romans 8 1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
I believe that the Blood has not lost Its power! And He forgives our iniquities, sins we do not even know we do.
However Mark 3:29
But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.
I do not believe a sinner can commit this sin, I believe one must know that he is doing this, and deliberately does this, not by accident, but on purpose. I cannot imagine why anyone would, but if it were not possible, it would not be written in God’s Word.
I do not believe a person can ‘misplace’ their salvation, or commit any sin that is not already covered by the Blood of Jesus; except for blaspheme against the Holy Ghost. I do believe this sin will take away our salvation.
I do believe we are to forgive others, but I do not believe our salvation rests on that. Salvation is so much more than just forgiveness of sins. Jesus could forgive sin while on earth, but now He is sitting on the right hand of the majesty on high. He is our constant Intercessor, He sent the Spirit of God to live in us and operate through us. Salvation includes ever thing we could ever need, forgiveness is only a part of that.
Sin is sin, holding a grudge against someone is not worse than murder, hatred is considered the same as murder, and lusting is the same as adultery. The sin problem was done away with in Christ. He took our sins and carried our griefs, and by His stripes, we are healed. No, I don’t think that means we have a ticket to sin, but sin has no power over me.
2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Now, 1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
therefore now no condemnation [U]to them which are in Christ
No condemnation.
who walk not after the flesh
For those who don't sin.
That is what the Catholic Church teaches.Quote:
He told us all the law and the prophets hang on these two commandments: that we should love God with all our heart, soul and strength, and to love our neighbor as ourselves. That does include, but is not exclusive to, forgiving them.
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I believe one must study the whole Bible and study each verse in context, and not pick and chose verses they like or only the ones they understand.
I have had the experience many times over the years, of reading a verse I’d read a hundred times, knew it by heart, and suddenly get a whole new revelation of what it meant.
The Holy Spirit is our Teacher; He will lead and guide us into all truth. He will show us the will of God for our lives.
Does it really matter if a person can lose his salvation or not? We are saved by faith, through grace and that is the gift of God, as long as we hold onto our faith, we are not in any danger one way or the other. Unless, we decide to blaspheme.
That is a misunderstanding of Scripture:
James 2 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, offering up Isaac his son upon the altar?
Faith without works, is dead:
James 2 26 For even as the body without the spirit is dead; so also faith without works is dead.
Well, I didn't have time to examine your entire statement in detail. I have to leave. But God willing I'll be back in 8 days.
God bless you,
Sincerely,
De Maria
"A great rage" in this scenario is certainly not enough to give away your salvation... but if over the years you slowly sin against God and finally decide one day that Christianity is bunk and THEN go over the cliff before you have a chance to repent, then yes -- you have lost/given away your salvation.Quote:
Originally Posted by tsila1777
I just don't buy the old argument that a "TRUE" Christian will never fall into serious sin... if that happens, all I hear is "Well, then he wasn't TRULY saved..." and I think that's a gigantic dodge.
We are all sinners... we all continue to sin... so I certainly agree that we can't "lose" our salvation as if we don't do enough to earn it, but I can't accept that through our own failings and weakness we can not give away our salvation by rejecting the grace of God.
Scott wrote: I just don't buy the old argument that a "TRUE" Christian will never fall into serious sin... if that happens, all I hear is "Well, then he wasn't TRULY saved..." and I think that's a gigantic dodge
I agree. I was born-again, which is the term I prefer to use, at age 23 I will soon be 53, but there was a period during that time, after being hurt badly by church people, the pastor…long story…that I did not go to church for a while. For a time I continued to study the Word and worship God, but drifted away and fell into sin. When I 'hit bottom', I called on God, and He answered me, and forgave me and received me back just as if I'd never sinned. He had always been there for me; He had never left me, as He promised.
I believe by experience that a true Christian, to use the term, in my opinion you are either Christian or not…there are no 'good' Christians, which would infer there are also 'bad' Christian. A Christian can fall into sin, live in sin for a time, and then come back to God just by calling on Him and receiving the forgiveness He provided in Jesus some 2000 years ago. He paid the price for all our sins, past, present and future even before we were even born. It is not of ourselves, we did nothing to gain salvation, and we can do nothing to 'keep' it. Salvation is of the Lord. We just accept it by faith, and then stand by faith.
He is the door to God; we do not have to go through priests anymore. We have access to God Himself, and can go to Him in faith and without fear, and no bells tied to our feet, and actually have a real relationship with Him. Thank God for His Precious Gift.
You are missing my point... what happens if you had died BEFORE you came back to the Lord?Quote:
Originally Posted by tsila1777
What was the point of your repentance and change of heart if you never needed it?
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He told us all the law and the prophets hang on these two commandments: that we should love God with all our heart, soul and strength, and to love our neighbor as ourselves. That does include, but is not exclusive to, forgiving them.
You said:That is what the Catholic Church teaches.
That is also what my church teaches, and I'm not Catholic, it is the Word of God.
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I believe one must study the whole Bible and study each verse in context, and not pick and chose verses they like or only the ones they understand.
I have had the experience many times over the years, of reading a verse I'd read a hundred times, knew it by heart, and suddenly get a whole new revelation of what it meant.
The Holy Spirit is our Teacher; He will lead and guide us into all truth. He will show us the will of God for our lives.
Does it really matter if a person can lose his salvation or not? We are saved by faith, through grace and that is the gift of God, as long as we hold onto our faith, we are not in any danger one way or the other. Unless, we decide to blaspheme.
That is a misunderstanding of Scripture:
James 2 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, offering up Isaac his son upon the altar?
Faith without works, is dead:
James 2 26 For even as the body without the spirit is dead; so also faith without works is dead.
Well, I didn't have time to examine your entire statement in detail. I have to leave. But God willing I'll be back in 8 days.
God bless you,
Sincerely,
De Maria, I certainly don't want to seem argumentative here, as I agree with what you said, yes, faith without works is dead. But the works He means is to love God and do those things that are pleasing to Him, and to love our neighbor as ourselves…to conduct ourselves in a way to bring glory to God.
Abraham lived in a time when works meant building alters and killing animals and burning them, those things could not take away their sins, it only covered their sins until Jesus came and defeated sin once and for all. He was the last sacrifice needed for sin. John called Him, “The Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the whole world.”
So, the works of the OT are different from the works of the NT. We have entered into His rest; they could not enter into His rest. “He swore in His wrath, they shall not enter into His rest' because of their unbelief. Without faith, it is impossible to please God. Faith is what pleases God, trusting in Him for all your needs, and calling on Him in times of trouble, giving Him praise and worship at all times and to pray without ceasing. Faith is a noun, but believe is a verb, it means to have a faith; be a believer.
Faith that His sacrifice was sufficient and there is nothing more we must do to 'get saved' or 'stay saved.' As long as we continue to believe and do those things that are pleasing in His sight, to hold fast to our confession of faith.
We are new creatures, a brand new kind of creations, because our spirits are born of God. The body without the spirit is dead. Old things have passed away, behold, all things are new. We have new spirits, born of God; we are the children of God. Jesus was the first born of many brethren. Jesus is my big brother. He said when ye pray, say “Our Father, which art in Heaven…”
We have received His Spirit whereby we cry, Abba, Father. Jesus sent the Holy Spirit, He said He would not leave us as orphans; He would come to us. I believe God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit, and these three are One. I do not understand it, but because I have faith in God and He said so, that settles it and I believe it.
Blessings to you,
Did I say I repented? I thought I said I called on God, and He answered me, and forgave me and received me back just as if I’d never sinned. (justified…just as if I’d ) never sinned. I did need it, but not to go to heaven, I needed it to restore our relationship.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottRC
I called on God and received His forgiveness, which He provided 2000 years ago. He forgave me before I ever was born, before I had a change to sin the first time, the forgiveness was there all the time. I did not say I was 'saved' again; I was still 'saved'.
The only sin that will keep a person from going to Heaven, is to NOT believe on Jesus. I still believed. I still had faith. I still prayed. But I did things that were sinful. Someone on here said we all sin everyday... or something like that.
What if you slam your finger in the car door and curse and before you get over it, you died of a heart attack. Would you go to Heaven?
How long do you have to be in sin before you lose your salvation? One minute, one year? Sin is sin, it's all the same to God. Nothing shall separate me from the Love of God, which is in Christ Jesus, nothing except me turning my back on Him. I never turned my back on Him; I drifted away and fell into sin.
I tried to die; God would not let me. He never left me, He protected me even when I tried to die, He caused me to get sick and expel the pills. God was Faithful, even when I was not. But it was His goodness that drew me gently back into the fold. I was the one sheep He went after. And He healed me and brought me back.
I know the verse says a lost sheep, lost can mean many things. One can lose their way, but God always knows where they are and they are not separated from His Love, because 'nothing can separate me from His Love'.
But after you called on God the first time, you didn't need to repent or retore your relationship because your sins were already forgiven, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by tsila1777
So once a person is "born again" they can do whatever they please... lie, steal, murder... and just as long as they don't reject Christ go to heaven, that what you are saying?
No if you are born again you do not do whatever you please. Except that whatever you please is pleasing to God. It is a misconception that you do whatever you please just because you are 'born again'. If a 'born again' believer is believing they are able to go about doing whatever they believe then they do not really understand their salvation.
I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by N0help4u
There are consequences for sin.
Rom 6:15-16Quote:
Originally Posted by N0help4u
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!
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Tj3,
I DID NOT intentionally misrepresent what you said. Period.
Please do not try to twist my words.
You said "There is no such thing as "know-so" salvation. That is your personal derogatory term for people you don't agree with. Therefore define it as you wish."
That again is wrong by you. The term Know-so-Salvation has been around much longer than my 75 years.
I noticed that you did not accept my apology.
Fine, if that is the way you want it so be it.
But never-the-less I AM sorry if that upset you.
I will continue to pray for you as I have for several years.
Peace and kindness.
Fred (arcura)
I would like you to stop twisting mine. I was quite explicit with respect to what I believed and you turned around and said something completely different.Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
Perhaps in your circles there are other who choose derogatory terms for those that they disagree with. I do not agree with OSAS but I would never use such a term to mis-represent the doctrine.Quote:
You said "There is no such thing as "know-so" salvation. That is your personal derogatory term for people you don't agree with. Therefore define it as you wish."
That again is wrong by you. The term Know-so-Salvation has been around much longer than my 75 years.
I have told you in the past that I do not hold grudges and always accept sincere apologies. Coming back with an accusatory approach because I did not say anything is a bit ironic.Quote:
I noticed that you did not accept my apology.
No upset, but I do hope that someday that you will deal with me in a respectful and honest manner. I consider you and intelligent person and I think that we could have some interesting discussions.Quote:
Fine, if that is the way you want it so be it.
But never-the-less I AM sorry if that upset you.
The door remains open, Fred, as it always has been.
Tj3,
I am sorry and very sorry for you.
That is why I will continue to pray for you.
Peace and kindness,
Fred (arcura)
No need to be sorry for me. I have assurance of my salvation:Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
1 Thess 1:5-6
5 For our gospel did not come to you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Spirit and in much assurance, as you know what kind of men we were among you for your sake.
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Do have assurance of salvation, Fred? If not, I would like to show you how you can.
My God has cleansed me from all unrighteousness, and has paid the full price.
1 John 1:8-10
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
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There is therefore nothing more for me to pay to merit salvation. He did it all on the cross.
And no one can take it away.
John 10:28-30
28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand. 30 I and My Father are one."
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I feel sorry for anyone who does not know the safety of this salvation offered by Christ freely through His sacrifice on the cross.
I am confused by some of the terms used here. I am not sure we are talking the same language.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottRC
If I had died BEFORE I ‘came back’ to the Lord, I would have gone to heaven. I have no doubt of that. I did not stop believing in God, I did not lose my faith, I did not stop calling on God every day during that time to help me. I still loved God and I knew He still loved me. I still believed in my heart that Jesus was Lord, I was still a Christian saved by grace.
I said ‘fall into sin, live in sin for a time, and come back to God’; I do not know any other way of explaining it, except to tell some of what happened. I stopped going to church, and I adopted some bad habits, I was not were I was before that thing happened.
I prayed to God, I read the word but not as much. I even began to drink some…and some other things. Being out of church, I did not have the support and encouragement of other Christians, or the teaching or other things that being a member of a church means.
I did not kill anyone, or start shoplifting or taking drugs, or selling drugs or stuff like that. I wasn’t where I felt I was suppose to be, and if I had not ‘come back’ to the Lord, repented and received forgiveness, I would have continued until I really don't know what would have happened.
“What was the point of your repentance and change of heart if you never needed it?”
I really do not understand this question, it seems I have answered this before this time. I used repented because it seemed I was forced to, and who said I never needed a change of heart. It is one thing to be saved; it is another to reach your full potential in God.
I hit rock bottom when I got so upset anxiety attack/panic attack, and took too many pills, prescriptions legally obtained from a doctor, but they would not stay down. I believe that was God saying I am not finished with you yet; I still have some things for you to do.
So I called on the Name of the Lord, (after I woke up on the bathroom floor) and had a long talk with Him about many things, and when it was over I knew something had changed, my attitude.
I could have decided to keep going the way I was, or I could ‘come back’ to the Lord and make a real effort to find a church that taught the word and made me feel welcome and part of the body. And to ‘return’ to my former study habits, quit the other bad habits, etc: I chose to do that.
I do not just want to be a ‘sinner saved by grace’ I want to be a ‘Christian saved by grace’ and on fire for God and spreading His Word. I cannot go to Africa, but I can send people, I cannot reach the world for Christ, but I can support those who can. I can intercede for people around the world as well as for those at home.
The attitude I am getting from some of the people on this board is much like the ones from the former church I attended. I do not understand this feeling of hostility I am getting, or imagining. Maybe I am just being too sensitive, but I do not feel welcome here. If I am not, please tell me so. I do not have to visit here, and it will not hurt my feelings.
I have learned that feelings change, so there’s no point is getting overly attached to them.
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Originally Posted by ScottRC
I do not understand this. When I called on God the first time was when the relationship was restored, and yes my sins were already forgiven. But NO, a person who is born again does not want to do those things. They want to honor God. If you mean when I first was born again, yes my sins were forgiven. That is what it means that Jesus paid the price for my sins. But it is not automatic, one has to receive it from God, just like one has to believe in their heart and confess with their mouths to be saved, and if one does sin, one has an advocate with the Father, who is faithful and just to forgive sins. I believe in His faithfulness and He is justified and the justifier of those who believe. I believe. I have never stopped believing since I was first born-again, saved what ever you call it here on the Christian site.
So once a person is "born again" they can do whatever they please... lie, steal, murder.... and just as long as they don't reject Christ go to heaven, that what you are saying?[/quote]
I do not know how you jumped this high from what I said.
I have been made the righteousness of God, my sins are forgiven, and they are under the Blood. God sent His Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to condemn sin in the flesh, that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. It is the Grace of God under the new covenant. God does not impute sin to us; His Son paid the price for sin. God does not consider that a minor thing. Being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus…Whom God hats set forth to be propitiation through faith in His Blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins.
I thought the question was can you lost your salvation, I believe a person can lose their salvation, by denying Christ, and by blaspheming the Holy Spirit. I believe a person can be lead away by their own lusts and enticed and get so far away from God that they will deny Him. I do not believe a Christian can get so deep in sin as to lose their salvation without at some point denying Christ. I don’t mean they actually have to say the word, “I deny Christ”, but they my as some on here have done, they just don’t believe in God anymore, which God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. These Three are ONE. I hope you understand I mean I believe a person can get that deep in sin
I have not slept for two nights, does anyone on here believe in praying for the sick? Oh, I am not supposed to piggyback questions…sorry….
I hope I have explained myself, I think I have not…because I do not understand the questions. But I did answer the topic question. Didn’t I? Forgive me if I did not, or if I repeated myself or made too many mistakes in typing, spelling or grammar, or terminology.
God bless and keep you,
So glad I finally found the Christian site.
tsila1777,
Yes I believe in praying for the sick and have often done so.
Peace and kindness,
Fred (arcura)
I understand what you are saying now... thanks for explaining.Quote:
Originally Posted by tsila1777
Prayer for the SickQuote:
I have not slept for two nights, does anyone on here believe in praying for the sick?
Dear Jesus, Divine Physician and Healer of the sick, we turn to you in this time of illness. O dearest comforter of the troubled, alleviate our worry and sorrow with your gentle love, and grant us the grace and strength to accept this burden. Dear God, we place our worries in your hands. We place our sick under your care and humbly ask that you restore your servant to health again. Above all, grant us the grace to acknowledge your will and know that whatever you do, you do for the love of us. Amen.
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Watch, O Lord, with those who wake, or watch, or weep tonight, and give your angels charge over those who sleep.
Tend your sick ones, O Lord Christ.
Rest your weary ones.
Bless your dying ones.
Soothe your suffering ones.
Pity your afflicted ones.
Shield your joyous ones.
And for all your love's sake. Amen.
-Saint Augustine
ScottRC, Thank you for understanding. I guess it is difficult with so many different terms for 'falling into sin', 'falling away' 'backsliding' etc. to explain something like that. And my typing didn't help... to make it easier. I didn't see the my when I meant may.. anyway. I thank you for the prayer,it is much appreciated. It is because of the pain of Fibromyalgia, that I haven't been able to sleep, they say there is no cure, but I say there is nothing impossible with God.
thank you,
Your sister in Christ,
Tsila
ScottRC,
Thanks much for posting those marvelous prayers.
They are very timely for me right now because my diabetes is acting up and I am feeling bad today.
Peace and kindness,
Fred (arcura)
Dear Tsila1777, Put you hand on the area that needs healing... "I speak to your mind in the name of Jesus Christ and I tell all the lies of the enemy to STOP!
I bind those spirits of fibromyalgia that are trying to bring sickness on you and by the authority of the blood of Jesus, I forbid them to speak to your mind, I tell them to SHUT UP!
Fibromyalgia, I speak to you, in the name of Jesus, COME OUT OF HER RIGHT NOW, I COMMAND YOU IN THE NAME OF JESUS LOOSE HER FROM THIS INFIRMITY, COME OUT NOW, I COMMAND YOU, GO.
By the stripes of Jesus, I claim deliverance from all sickness, all pain, all infections, and any other thing that the enemy is trying to bring on your life!
I command healing to come RIGHT NOW, in Jesus name!
Enemy, I command you in Jesus name , GO NOW, I forbid you to come upon any of Tsila's family or friends and I forbid you to return to this place, NOW GO!
Tsila, I pray the peace and love of God would flow over and through you, right now, as you read this, and set you free from all the works of the enemy in your life.
May the Holy Spirit fill all those places vacated by the enemy and bring restoration to your body and your soul.
And may your spirit be lifted with the knowledge that You are seated in Heavenly places, in Christ. Never forget this, if you are seated with Him, then the devil is an invader, kick him out, you don't have to win the battle, it is already won, just put on your armour and resist the works of the enemy.
Stand your ground, it has already been purchased for you.
God bless you!
Peter. :)
Dear Arcura, put your hand on the area that needs healing,. "DIABETES, I SPEAK TO YOU IN THE NAME OF JESUS, THE SON OF GOD, I HAVE BEEN GIVEN AUTHORITY OVER YOU AND I TELL YOU NOW, TO RELEASE FRED FROM THIS SICKNESS!
TAKE YOUR TENTACLES OUT OF HIS BODY RIGHT NOW!
I FORBID YOU TO BRING ANY MORE SICKNESS, ANY MORE PAIN, ANY MORE INFECTION, IN FACT ANY MORE OF ANYTHING ON FRED!
I BIND YOU IN JESUS NAME AND TELL YOU TO COME OUT NOW, LOOSE FRED RIGHT NOW!
BY THE STRIPES OF JESUS, I COMMAND THE HEALING OF GOD TO COME RIGHT NOW, ALL SICKNESS, YOU MUST LEAVE NOW!
I FORBID YOU TO RETURN IN THE NAME OF JESUS!
SPIRIT OF DOUBT, AND SPIRIT OF UNBELIEF, I SPEAK TO YOU, IN THE NAME OF JESUS AND FORBID YOU TO BRING DOUBT AND UNBELIEF ON FRED, HE IS HEALED AND YOU KNOW IT. SO DOES FRED, SO GET OUT AND DON'T COME BACK!
I FORBID IT IN JESUS NAME!
Holy Spirit, I ask you to fill those places left by the enemy, make no room for him in Fred's life, fill him with your love and peace, lead him on the paths of righteousness, for Your Names' sake.
Bless Fred, with all spiritual blessings in Christ. Amen
May the peace that passes understanding, flood over your life and may you know the presence of God in your life.
Bless you, Peter.:)
Peter Wilson,
Thank you so much for you good intentions and prayers for me.
God bless you.
Peace and kindness,
Fred (arcura)
Dear Peter,
Thank you so much for the wonderful prayer. It has been hard to believe I'm healed whole and set free when there has been so much pain. I am changing my way of thinking, and talking. I do not say 'i have' fibro anymore, I say I'm healed in the Name of Jesus. We had such a wonderful service in Church this morning, I felt a change and then this prayer. God works all things according to His wisdom and time. Blessed be His Name.
God bless you and keep you.
Your sis in Christ,
Tsila
tsila1777
I am very pleased and happy for yoi.
May God continue to bless you in many ways.
Peace and kindness.
Fred (arcura)
Thank you, Arcura, You are a good man. I preceive that you are a kind person. I appreciate you and your prayers and good thoughts toward me as well.
I pray God to touch you also, and health, and strength will return to your body. The Name of Jesus is above every other name, it is above the name of diabetes, and Fibromyalgia. So, in His Name I declare us both healed, whole and set free. Blessed be the Name of the Lord who takes pleasure in the properity of His servants.
Blessing, my dear brother,
Your sis in Christ,
Tsila
Dear arcura,Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
I am so sorry your not well, my son is a diabetic so I know what you go through.. be sure you check your blood sugar etc... it can be affected when your not well.
I am sure the Good Guy upstairs will see what a good man you are,and lay his healing hands upon you.
Bless you Peter for the kindness you show to arcura and others who are unwell on these boards... it's very heart warming to read.
May the light of human kindness extend to everyone who is suffering one way or another today and everyday around the world.
Bless you all
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