I always thought that war required soldiers and weapons. When it was still being talked about it was considered debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
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I always thought that war required soldiers and weapons. When it was still being talked about it was considered debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Atheists are the most hated group in America? I don't hate atheists, I'm not too fond of liberal/progressive moonbats however.Quote:
Originally Posted by michealb
http://plancksconstant.org/blog1/image/moonbat.jpg
We feel the same way, God is so obvious we don't understand why people can't see Him. When it comes to true Christianity, it has nothing to do with group think or blindly following anyone, it is an experience. You don't know God until you experience God.Quote:
So I don't think it is solely a matter of intellect. At the same time it seems so simple to me that I don't understand why someone can't see it. Group think, conditioning or maybe just the fact that people tend to blindly follow authority, I'm not sure how you would test that.
Choux, that's a nice made up fact, completely unsupportable except in your own mind. It seems everyone agrees Americans are behind in education and that would be due to the great dumbing down of America by the liberal elite that balk at testing our children on proficiency or even using red pencils when grading for fear of damaging the poor kid's psyche. In fact, home schooled children have outscored public and privately educated children on the ACT test for the tenth year in a row. Who tends to home school their children more than anyone else? Christians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Choux
They weren't my statistics.Quote:
Your statistics are incorrect, however. Recently, polls have indicated that 86% of Americans declare themselves to be Christians. Last month, another poll showed that around 80% are Christians. I studied the Newsweek article closely and found it to be quite excellent. I believe that "about 10%" of Americans are declared atheists which has been a stable percentage of population for quite a long time.
Ya think??Quote:
Some Muslim men are far more violent than Christians.
I actually agree with you on this.Quote:
Christians inhabit the culture that was the culture of great scientific advancement, great advancement in the arts, in technology, in astronomy and physics, medicine , and everything that makes life pleasurable and alleviates human suffering. In short, Americans are much happier than most Muslims. Muslims can't blame Islam, so they project blame for Islamic culture's failure over the last hundreds of years on others. Remember, Islam is the center of their lives, their society, their culture, their law... *Islam* and Muslim leaders are what failed the people. The twisted thinking of those men-Jihadists who hate to see the lowly place of Islamic cultures compared to other societies on earth have GONE TO WAR to protect the cultures hence religion where men are supreme and exhaulted. (Wrote this paragraph fast so may need editing)
The problem is that you can't prove the negative. You can't prove that there isn't an invisible, intangible pink unicorn in the room with you because as soon as you devise a method to test for it. Believers will just say that the pink unicorn is above that method of testing as well.
There have been several polls that say that Americans would elect anyone of faith over atheist. Of course and then there is the first G Bush that said that he didn't think atheist deserver to be citizens. Never heard a president say that about another group before.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Of course I try not to use poll data too much. Since depending on how you ask the question you often get a completely different answer even thought they tend to be same question just with different wording.
Are you OK?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I assure you I didn't plagiarize... I get the DNC emails so I can know what they're saying. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by jillianleab
Whether it's going anywhere or not, that's the kind of dangerous, intolerant nonsense that needs a response.Quote:
Do you really see this as an immediate and significant threat? The great "Unholy Trinity" have been talking about this for a while now, I don't see it going anywhere.
I think, Michaelb, that Americans - even Christians - are far more tolerant than we're given credit for. That's why it gets under my skin so much every time I see the race card played. A poll that says Americans would elect anyone over an atheist doesn't mean atheists are the most hated group in America. It just means they would prefer someone else running the country.Quote:
Originally Posted by michealb
Please, no rhetoric, no conjecture, no assumptions, no theocracywatch.org nonsense. The idea that Christians want a theocracy as you describe it is entirely contradictory to our faith, and we as well as anyone understand that if you don't have the right to worship or not as you choose, then neither do we. People get all bent out of shape because we stand for something, like not killing children before they're born, which interferes with someone's "choice." The fact of the matter is, it isn't only Christians that support laws that reflect their values, everyone does. Christianity may want to win the world, but by winning your hearts and minds over to the love of God with a choice that you make. We aren't into suicide bombs and totalitarianism in spite of what you hear or fear.Quote:
Originally Posted by deist
Glad to hear it. I'll make the same claim so that makes at least two of us. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Wangdoodle
What makes something logical? I'm supposed to believe it's logical that the oceans could rise up to 7 meters due to global warming, based on computer models, inconsistent studies and just plain bad science. That's not logical to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg Quinn
a. A condition of active antagonism or contention: a war of words; a price war.Quote:
Originally Posted by michealb
b. A concerted effort or campaign to combat or put an end to something considered injurious
When someone says "science must destroy religion," that's a declaration of war in my book.
Okay by that definition I guess it is a declaration of war. Sucks to be you guys by our own admission we have all the smart people on our side. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Here is something you might like to read to understand a little of my views, not in my words but this is what I believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by michealb
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/other-...tml#post651250
I see your side is still has work to do on that humility thing. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by michealb
Evolution may be (infact it probably is) true, but that does not stop christians believing in God. The Bible has stories about how mankind started but these are stories that have morals. And excuse me, but the christian church is not obliging people to 'join them', it is simply trying to spread the 'good news'. The Bible is the base of the christian religion, the christians follow it. You can believe what you want to believe, but you can't say untrue mean things about other religions!Quote:
Originally Posted by michealb
I try to stay away from untrue things even though something that is untrue has never gotten in the way of christianity before why would it now. As for mean things that is exactly the point of this thread. Is that religion has done many mean things and people ignore it in the name of freedom of religion or because we are worried that some crazy religious person will bomb us for not believing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Antony dot f dot
Your right the missionaries give native people a choice they can become christian or die because the church only helps the ones that accept Jesus. Sounds like a good choice to me. Of course with better media coverage and things like that they don't do it as much but they still try to strip away the belief of the local culture and teach the children about Jesus. They just don't bother to change the adult religions any more.
Another thing about everyone who says that say god gives free will so you don't have to follow him but in the same breath tell you that if you don't you will burn forever. That would be one the same grounds as saying that you can kill as many people as you want to but were going to kill you afterwards. If you believe it to be true than he really isn't giving you choice now is he.
I agree completely, and I believe that it will happen too.
People tend to forget the simple fact, We are Humans. :)
Actually for a while now I've disliked all the religion that worshippes a god so much, that I turned to Satanism which only focus on oneself.
Simply I was naively good too much because of christianity, and "wanted" to do the opposite.
Which is a also good in a way, but I felt it was too evil.
Resulting in it being as bad as every other religion.
So I'm cheering you guys on with your Cause. :)
Frankly I believe in not and NOT in atheism.
I think it is a farce of the brain to those so afflicted that they can not see all the evidence that there is a God.
Peace and kindness,
Fred.
Fred, you sign off with "Peace and kindness" yet you decide that everyone who is not like you has "a farce of the brain". That's an example of the hypocrisy that really turns people off religion.
Cheers and Merry Christmas.
NK.
P.S. You don't have to believe in atheism, it's OK. Atheist just believe in one less god than you do, we're not that far apart. :)
NeedKarma,
If you see it that way it's OK for you but I don't.
It was just a way of a saying and an oddball one at that.
I was trying to be cute and obviously failed
They don't believe in God, they say. But as such I don't believe in them for I feel and think that down deeply, hidden in their sub-conscience they know there is a God.
There are no atheists in foxholes is an old saying that I think is very true.
It has been witness in many wars including the one in Korea where I was.
I'm going to be gone from my home for a few days visiting family way up north.
I hope everyone has a happy and good holiday season.
Peace and kindness and have prosperous gentle new year,
Fred
I think it's the other way way around: the believers, hidden in their sub-conscience, deep down, have some doubts whether a god exists.Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
NeedKarma,
Obviously we think differently.
Personally I KNOW there is a God.. There is no ifs, ands, or buts about it.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
I saw an interview with Dawkins where he actually said he believed there was a designer but that designer is most probably an alien rather than a God.
Very scientific and lgical I thought
What empircal evidence did Dawkins bring to the table to float that hypothesis ?
As we have seen with anthropological global warming ,it is very possible that the science itself can be corrupted when a scientist has a cult-like devotion to a predetermined conclusion.
He can believe in an alien designer but not a god? That's very logical. Speaking of AGW, I'd sure like some. I can't remember being so cold for so long in these parts.
speechlesstx,
I agree about an alien designer who is powerful enough and wise enough to design and create the universe.
That so called alien must have been a god to be able to do that.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
Listen you stupid people, religion has ended more life than anything the world has ever known. No need for the plague or aids or anything like that. Just have religion. I know many people of all religion greed greed and more greed, how can people with money watch starving people children . India all over the bloody world go to there churches and pray ing idiots, they are the one's rotting in hellQuote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
nick444,
Sorry nick, but I strongly disagree.
Yes religion has caused some serious problems over time, BUT...
NOT as much as no religion at all combined with forces trying to stomp out religion.
The fighting against spiritual belief has been foolish, destructive, deadly, and a failure as it always will be.
That's history and trying to change it is a foolish endeavor.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
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