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Everything has an opposite side to counteract the balance. For example, good vs. evil, God vs. Lucifer, etc. Everything needs a balance to work in harmony. If there's too much of one, and not enough of the other, it turns into chaos, otherwise known as the Chaos Theory.
Actually, what people here are describing is based on what senses seem to be telling them about this particular area of this particular universe.
The latest theory in physics postulates twelve dimensions and the possibility of an infinite number of universes--each with its own unique particular laws.
Multiverse (science - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
So who are we, as limited as we are to this minute section of this particular four dimensional universe to assume that what our meager senses seem to register applies everywhere? Isn't that a bit presumptuous?
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From a Christian standpoint, saying that God can't exist without needing evil is tantamount to blasphemy. Maybe they should set up an atheist forum?
Blasphemy? I'm Atheist, this doesn't affect me. I do agree that there should be an Atheist forum though.Quote:
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I don't know where you're going with the comment about multi universes. What does this have to do with the OP's question?
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Starman + need - like inhale, need exhale. 100% inale, 100% exhale.
(1) 125% inhale, 75% exhale = explode
(2) 75% inhale, 125% exhale = implode
(3) 100% inhale, 100% exhale = God or equallibrium
Cut circumnavigating reality for myth. Out of the three examples (1) (2) (3) which one, do you choose, to exist on earth?
Now you see the reality... Life isn't about living inside an invisible box, and foundation (JC). The invisible walls of this box are called (blasphemous) believers live in the box. Inside this box any questions asked, that are contrary to this popular (belief) is labeled as blasphemous, I cry shame. Freethinka lives on the outside, of the wallls of blasphemy, therefore I question with such intensity, on a quest for truth. Believers don't be offended, "it is better to know truth than to believe a lie".
Otta186: live on the outside, of the walls of blasphemy, Freethinka agree, the label (blasphemy) only apply to (believers).
"The quest for truth is neverending"
Starman, string theory certainly is very interesting, but it hasn't yet been tested.
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Really so, tryin' to cloud the situation with 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000,s. :confused:
It "looks promising". That's about as far as the scientific community has gone towards accepting it. There are quite a few people working on it. But no testable predictions yet.
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Caupchin: they would throw any thing out there to try, to close the gaping hole that is being created by realavent questions, that are being asked about this esoteric (belief).
Of course it doesn't affect you-you are an atheist. That's why I qualified my statement with "....from a Christian point of view...." About relevance, the bottom line is that we are being totally illogical if we say that we know the total of reality based on what we perceive in the VISIBLE universe. Like the statement that all things need an opposite or else they will fall apart or go haywire--for example. A statement which if indeed were true here, does not necessarily make it true everywhere and much less in rewference to God himself.Quote:
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It doesn't make difference.Quote:
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The irrationality of choosing to believe that what we see in this limited area of the universe applies to what we don't see--much less to God himself remains.
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Funny that you should substitute mockery and namecalling for reasoning. But if that's all you got that's all you got.
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:D Thumbs up otto186 I couldn't say it better, you are right on.
Chaos theory is a mathematical concept.. nothing to do with too much good or too much evil... O_o
I have had it described to me differently. You are probably right, but I have had a Pastor describe good vs. evil to me as the chaos theory. But its OK, you learn something new everyday.Quote:
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Starman: Sorry if my metaphoric, explanations offended you. I only brought up, the intensity, because I (believe) or assumed, that you were playing, pry a little more without answering questions. Knowing you know full well what I said in my previous post. :rolleyes:
Thanks for the info. I guess it never hurts to know the proper terms.Quote:
Morganite agrees: Good vs. Evil is the Manichaean theory.
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You misunderstand string theory. String theory is a model of fundamental physics whose building blocks are one-dimensional extended objects called strings, rather than the zero-dimensional point particles that form the basis for the Standard Model of particle physics. The phrase is often used as shorthand for Superstring theory, as well as related theories such as M-theory. String theorists are attempting to adjust the Standard Model by removing the assumption in quantum mechanics that particles are point-like. By removing this assumption and replacing the point-like particles with strings, a sensible quantum theory of gravity seems to naturally emerge. Moreover, string theory attempts to "unify" the known natural forces (gravitational, electromagnetic, weak nuclear and strong nuclear) by describing them with the same set of equations.
For a scientific theory to be valid it must be verified experimentally. Few avenues for such contact with experiment have been claimed. With the construction of the Large Hadron Collider in CERN some scientists hope to produce relevant data. It is generally expected though that any theory of quantum gravity would require much higher energies to probe.
Another potential problem is that it is not a theory that is tightly constrained. There are different versions of string theory, depending on factors such as whether supersymmetry is incorporated into the formulation. These versions are thought to be related to each other as different limits of one theory, coined M-theory. There is a huge number of possible solutions to string theory as it is currently understood. Thus it has been claimed by some scientists that string theory may not be falsifiable and may have no predictive power.
Studies of string theory have revealed that it predicts higher-dimensional objects called branes. String theory strongly suggests the existence of ten or eleven (in M-theory) spacetime dimensions, as opposed to the usual four (three spatial and one temporal) used in relativity theory; however the theory can describe universes with four effective (observable) spacetime dimensions by a variety of methods.
An important branch of the field is dealing with a conjectured duality between string theory as a theory of gravity and gauge theory. It is hoped that research in this direction will lead to new insights on quantum chromodynamics, the fundamental theory of strong nuclear force. This direction of research has better hopes to make contact with experiment, compared to string theory as a quantum theory of gravity, though currently the alternative, Lattice QCD, is doing a much better job and has already made contact with experiments at various fields with good results, though the computations are numerical rather than analytic.
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Morganite thanks for the motivational advice. :rolleyes:Quote:
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If you try to define God there is no way you can do this either in theory or in fact.
When you try to set boundaries around God and say that He is only this and only that you cannot do it.
Percentage is a human thing and God has infinite qualities and they cannot be termed as good or bad.
For those who do not believe in a God there is no need for a definition
And for those who do believe,God Almighty is
The Most Wise,Most Just, He is the sustainer, The Provider,He is self sufficient, He is the Knower of the unseen and the visible; He is the All-Merciful, the All-Compassionate, He is the King, the Guardian of Faith, the All-Preserver, the All-Mighty, the All-Compeller, the All-Sublime,He is Everlasting etc
And you cannot define such terms in Percentage.
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Firmbeliever: I agree, If you are meaning God starts from infinate (0) to infiniti, which encompess the full spectrum of infinty. I also would like to note that from infiniate Zero to exactly 49.999 it represents negative satan. From 50 to infiniti, represents positive God. However from 49.999 to 50, there is a bonding agent, that is unbreakable. For example there is no normal man, without infinate evil and infinate good combined... Please don't let us not talk about what is hoped for, as your acceptance of real truth. :confused:
Morganite, wouldn't it have been better for you to point him to String theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, rather than copy pasting from there and making it look like the text is your own?
Every good scientist knows to source their publications.
Capuchin: are you talking about plagurism?
I'm familiar with Morganite, and I'm sure he didn't mean for it to look that way. I just wanted to point out that it wasn't his work, because he gave no indication that it wasn't.
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:rolleyes: Firmbeliever it is better to know God.
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Firmbeliever I am still waiting for your response on my 49.999 to 50 theory. Don't be, self righteous father like Chuck; who tried to blind side Freethinka, :confused: by calling my questions silly. I would dearly like for you to answer my questions, please.
I am sorry, this is all sillyness, you can not define God in mans ideas and terms, You are trying to make the all powerful, every lasting, almighty God be like and have the physcial qualities, He created man, gravity, fluids and is not bound by the rules and ideas of man.
The sooner you understand that God can not be, can not have and does not have even one million of one percent of evil or bad, the sooner you will be on a path to accepting God in reality and not playing or trying to make God in your image.
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Of course I know full well that you are purporting to ask questions when in all reality you wish to debate. Yes, you are 100% entitled to your inhale-exhale metaphorical description of God. However, it remains and forever will remain an opinion without scriptural support and there is where the crux of the matter is. Christians require scriptural biblical support for any concept or descriptions of God. Since scripture describes God completely different from you do, and we prefer to believe the Bible. Not that YOU have to believe it--simply that as Christians those are our beliefs and as the matter stands they simply don't harmonize with yours nor with anyone else's ideas which blatantly contradict the Bible's description of our God.
:o Still Fr Chuck, the silliness façade isn't working or you are simply too great and holy, to answer my questions? Please answer...Quote:
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That was arrogant! :o
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PLease accept my my apologies if I made that bad impression on you. My sole intention was to clarify the Christian position in order to make the Christian responses understandable to non-Christians who might be unfamiliar with the reasons Christians respond in the way they do to non-biblical ideas.
God is not a battery. Find a better example. For example, what is meant by 'satan is the ultimate negative force.'?Quote:
Originally Posted by Freethinka
God doesn't need satan to work.
He's beyond all your little sciences and logics and physics. That's why he's god.
You cannot succeed in describing god, that's why science cannot comprehend him.
Hes everlasting, he's eternal, he's all knowing, he's all loving, he's the king of kings.
Would you say that science fails to describe God in the same way that science fails to describe this miniature pet elephant that I keep in my pocket that doesn't exist?
The elephant doesn't exist. God does.
How so? :)
This is fun by the way
There is no evidence to say that the miniature pet elephant is in your pocket, except your word, which contradicts itself.
I have a book that was written many years ago, which tells of the existence of the elephant. My beliefs of the elephant are based entirely off that.
That's very nice.
Was that book written over thousands of years by 40 different writers who didn't collaberate with each other, yet whose writings agreed perfectly and exactly?
Does that book tell of real, historacilly proven elephants?
Have they find fossilised elephant poo and the ruins of elephant farms in the places described by your book?
Do millions of people believe in your book?
You have fossilised Jesus poo?? Wow.
Lol. no.
I was trying to put it in your "elephant" terms
The little elephant does not poo, how dare you speak such heresy.
Anyway, the point is that science cannot describe God or the little elephant because neither are physical. Not because he is eternal or all-knowing. In fact energy is eternal, and science describes that just fine.
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