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I'll side with Allheart on this one. I believe that she represents Jesus' love of all men much better that you do. If we go by What Would Jesus Do I'm quite certain that he would be replused by the methods of certain people here that call themselves christians and cast stones at other chrsitinas because they don't worship the same way as them.
Well NK, lots of non-worshipers/non-believers live a wonderful life. Here's how I see it though, I believe that's still because of God's hand in things. Matthew 5:45 says "He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous." Whether you believe in God or not you still experience His blessings, and I believe without God and the influence of believers in the world there would be chaos. And once you do have a relationship with God, understand His purpose for you and His benefits you tend to wonder how you ever got along without Him. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
But I do get along without Him and I'm happy. I'm not tempted by alcoholism, no one has abused me and I don't feel like abusing anyone, I was a Big Brother for 7 years, I make good decisions without consulting a book, my friends and family get sick and recover without prayers. My history is echoed with tons of my friends and family. What exactly am I missing here?
But there is GodQuote:
If there is no god why is it,
He is Good Orderly Direction, for humans to follow and grow.Quote:
and if there is a god who is he?
NK- I don't know for SURE but I think you've been missing ME? I know I've been missing you. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Now when you say that some Christians on here don't show the Love of Jesus... you couldn't mean ME could you..?. because you KNOW I am just teasin you.
I'm going to say something.. I got to take a deep breath because I will more than likely get pounced on..
OF course you like everything ALLHEART has to say and of COURSE you think she represents Jesus love the best... because ALLHEART has the I'm OK your OK mentality. Jesus never Died for me because I was already OK. He died because I wasn't OK and neither are YOU NK... and I'm here to tell you that. AREN'T you glad I'm here!! LOL I already know you are dude... so don't try to deny it. ( of course my reasons for thinking you aren't OK and Jesus' reason are probably different but we won't go into that) lol ;)
Speechless you are exactly right !
Tessy,
To be honest, you're creeping me out.
Dude,
I'm teasin you... it isn't PERSONAL. Grow up... we are on the internet... HOW could I creep you out... now really?? I don't have a CLUE who you ARE and I don't really miss you. I knew I wasn't dealing with Einstein here... but geesh.
More passive-aggressive insulting. Pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tessy777
Nope... I just calls them like I sees them... LOL... so long NK.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
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Originally Posted by Tessy777
Hi Tessy,
To be quite honest, really wish you would forget that I even exsist. I feel a bit uneasy to be very truthful.
I do wish you all the happiness and joy that one can achieve.
Thank you.
Freethinka you are trying to stir up controversy where there is none. You are making the assumption that "lie" being in the middle of "believe" has some sort of significance. It doesn't. Why can't it be "lie" as in "I need to lie down"? Using that version of "lie" further takes all controversy out of your statement, because it turns into "Be lay ve". Makes no sense. I mean, I get your point; "Haha, it's funny a word has another word inside it which contradicts the meaning of the initial word!" but it's just not that big of a deal. You're also assuming it was placed there intentionally - perhaps by the linguistics god? :) I think you are also taking the word "believe" to only indicate "religious belief", which I say because you said, "people would give their all for". Well, I don't know about you, but I certainly BELIEVE that if I inhale, I'm going to exhale. I'm not giving my all for that belief, I'm just sure it's going to happen. Religious belief and religious faith are very different than generalized belief and generalized faith. You also assume people are turned off religion because it require "belief" which has that pesky word "lie" in it - and well, that just makes you sound like a conspiracy nut. :)Quote:
jillianleab, I know my breaking the word, believe into 3 mystical pieces, Freethinka double odd nine, was going to offend someone, trust me; it was intentional, I only did it to gather some attention. As to why, if believe is such a cohesive word why is lie, instead of true, is intentionally placed smack dab in the middle of a word that so many people, would give their all and all for. I personally suspect something has got to be wrong for the usage of the word. How many more persons would follow if the word betrueth was used instead of believe. I know your remarks are like betrueth isn't even a word. My suggestion only, it is a more honest word than belie or believe. Or the word believe is proper in its context when applied to mythology. Freethinka do not believe in zorastrainism, voodoo or the like. I hope I've made a valid point, If not say.https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/images/smilies/smile.gif
And as an aside... I think perhaps Tessy has a crush on NK... she seems to give him an awful lot of attention! Aw, AMHD made a love connection! :)
Jill,
I was giving NK some attention... no crush though.. just trying to get him to talk to me and discuss things.. but he took it all the wrong way... LOL
Oh well, some people just don't get my dazzling personality... that is OK though.
Okie dokie allheart...Quote:
Originally Posted by Allheart
Tessy,Quote:
Originally Posted by Tessy777
I hope I didn't hurt your feelings by saying that, I am sure I did not, but in the off chance that I have, I truly am sorry and was not intended.
My faith and beliefs are rock solid and I am never ashamed to admit them. And yes, I pretty much do have love for one and all, cause I love to be loved in return :p . But I am so far from Patty Perfect and I don't hestiate to say things to appear nice, it's more that if my words or actions ever hurt anyone, Tessy hand to heart, it would hurt me more. That's why I more so communicate the way I do. Perhaps that is selfish of me that I don't wish to hurt as a result of hurting others.
I just don't want you to resent me for being the way I am.
Anyway, do hope my comments did not cause you any hurt.
Allheart,
No harm done. I was really just trying to challenge you and If I came off wrong.. I didn't mean to. Take care
Tess
We get it all right, but we're blinded by it, not dazzled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tessy777
There is an Ignore function that this site provides. If you go to the Options screen there is a Buddy/Ignore link. The post of the person/people you select will not show for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allheart
Matthew 28:Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
The Great Commission
16Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in[a] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age
I know you don't believe in the Bible, but this is what Jesus told us to do.
Grace and Peace
It is an existential statement:Quote:
Originally Posted by jillianleab
In other words, no matter what you do in this life: good, bad, or ugly, it does not matter.
We all die. Without a God who places humans above animals, our live, our deeds are no more or less important than that of an ant.
The cruel thing is to tell people that there is no God.
And NOT tell them that
John 3:
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[f] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.
Grace and Peace
I agree with you inthebox.
inthebox and Canada_Sweety I understand what you are saying, and I understand the comment can be taken as an existential one. However, it only applies IF you believe in god. Otherwise, it's like me saying to you, "There's no reason for you to be alive because you believe in god." To a person who believes in god, of COURSE there's no other reason for living, but to someone who DOES NOT, it's a very insulting thing. Statements like that come across as pompous (boy that word gets thrown out here a lot), self-righteous and just plain mean. Essentially, I've just been told that since I don't believe in god, I should just die because there is not point to my being here. Surely you can see the cruelty in that? Perhaps Speech didn't mean it that way, but tone is awfully hard to convey over the internet in short sentences.Quote:
It is an existential statement:
In other words, no matter what you do in this life: good, bad, or ugly, it does not matter.
We all die. Without a God who places humans above animals, our live, our deeds are no more or less important than that of an ant.
The cruel thing is to tell people that there is no God.
I'll even go so far as to agree with you that telling people there is no god is cruel; but that's not what I have done, and to my knowledge, I've never done that. I think religion and faith is a very personal thing, and it makes no difference to me if you believe in god or not. I'm not out to turn you into an atheist. There are some who shoot for that goal, and unfortunately, they are the ones who get the most media attention. I don't want to be converted, and I don't want to convert anyone who doesn't want to be converted. I don't think pointing out what I see as flaws in religion (note I said "I") is the same as telling someone god doesn't exist. I also don't think that simply stating "I don't believe in god" is the same as telling you god doesn't exist. I'm saying that in my opinion god doesn't exist, and you can weigh that opinion based upon how you feel about it and how much you value my input into things. If you think I'm wrong, you can consider my opinion worthless.
One does not need to read the Bible to find God. One does not need to quote the Bible in an attempt to prove to someone else that God exists.
That would be like NK quote from the Bible of the Spaghetti God (or whatever that thing is) in order to prove to all these Christians that the Spaghetti God is the on true God. What would be the point?
As it was referenced hee already... God just is.
Is Satan God? Yes. Is evil God? Yes. Is cocaine and meth also God. Yes! Of course. God is all things and all things are created from God. ALL THINGS.
You want the answers? Go find them. Look inside yourself. He's there. You cannot beat someone over the head with the Bible until they realize it. You cannot go to school and learn it. You cannot find it in aforum online.
If you want the answers... just ask. Don't ask me... don't ask him... don't ask her. Ask yourself. You have the answers.
Jilleanleab:
I can see and agree how you would think that was a cruel statement. I certainly don't think those who don't believe in God should just die. All human life is precious.
Grace and Peace
Glad we agree, inthebox, despite our different ideals. :)
Canada sweetie Freethinka love your closing poem, not bad at all...Quote:
Originally Posted by Canada_Sweety
Haha.. thanks:).. and I must say that I do admire your will to debate (so to speak) as well as your take on everything.
Canada sweetie, Thanks, for your compliments, I would like to say; you also hold your own, in a debate. Freethinka, also would like to say, the debate was exciting, I spoke of, and thought about it, basically all day, really enjoy. Now on another topic... How could you, call yourself, canada sweetie, not getting personal... but you are having man problems... So sad to hear, hope it clear up, so you could continue your music, poetry, song writing etc, it is strange, I don't even know you, however there is something about you, that would not allow me, not to say, that, the somebody inside you; that I've encountered over the past 24 hours, is above and beyond what any man in his right mind, would look for in a woman. In short why is it you worry about waterfalls... smile
God is what YOU make of it. These religious questions end up going in circles on here, the never ending debate.
Here is a brief description:Quote:
Originally Posted by Freethinka
First, God has a name which he made known to Abraham and his descendants who later stopped pronouncing it due to becoming superstitious and in that way its original exact pronunciation was lost. His name is represented by four Hebrew consonants and we do our best to fill in the sounds. One attempt at pronouncing HIS name is the example below.
Psalm 83:18
That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth. KJV
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Jehovah (Yahweh)
The Church of Yahweh
Why We Must Know God's Name - Jehovah's Witnesses Official Web Site
The Bible describes Jehovah as the source of all life and creator of all things.
Revelation 4:11
"You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they were created and have their being."
As a being having no beginning nor end
Psalm 90:2
Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.
Attributes of God 7 (Eternal)
Has limitless power at his disposal:
Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Mark 10:27
And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.
His most outstanding personality characteristic is love:
1 John 4:8
He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
Attributes of God 6 (Love)
As being holy:
Psalm 145:17
The Lord is righteous in all his ways, and holy in all his works.
I John 1:5
This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
Attributes of God 8 (Holy)
I don't get what you're saying there...Quote:
I don't even know you, however there is something about you, that would not allow me, not to say, that, the somebody inside you; that I've encountered over the past 24 hours, is above and beyond what any man in his right mind, would look for in a woman.
And W0W Starman.. you sure know a lot about the Bible.. are you a scholar or something?
Hi Canada Sweety, I have dedicated many hours to studying the Bible. Here are two scriptures which encourage us to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Canada_Sweety
Acts 17:11
Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so.
2 Timothy 3:16-17 reads, "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work."
All Scripture is Inspired of God and Beneficial
BTW
Sorry about the delay in answering your question. I keep trying to log on to this site but haven't been able to. Only now and then am I able to get through.
It's all good.:)
:o ExegesisQuote:
Originally Posted by Starman
:o ExegesisQuote:
Originally Posted by Starman
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Originally Posted by Freethinka
I only used those scripures when I was inder the misguided impression that you were sincerely seeking an answer. After all, there is NOTHING in your original question which indicates an aversion to exigesis. However once I became aware of your true intentions and distate for all things biblical, I shifted to the coherent reasoning approach instead. If indeed you are now taking issue with that method as well, then further dialogue is useless.
BTW
Is it indeed logical to ask a biblical question at a Christian question-and-answer site and then demand that Christians not use scriptures? Isn't it far more likely that you are misunderstanding the purpose of this forum?
Additionally, some of us here put forth a good effort to provide a decent answer.
Having people who are given these answers turn around, just as you have just done, mocking and gloating comes across as extremely offensive. Since it is that offensive I have decided to place you on my censor list.
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Originally Posted by Starman
No Starman do not get me wrong I enjoy the dialoge, however as it relater to the bible, my only quary , is its authenticity. Is it true that a heritic by the name of Martin Luther was imprisoned for his disbelief of what was in the original text, because he was a firm heritic , he was put on a diet of worms by the then king, and made to translate the bible to German. Later printed as the king james version. I would also like to say sorry if I offended you. And I hope you accept my apology.
If You Ever Had A Child Nearing Death And The Only One You Could Turn To
Was God ,I Don't Think This Yould Be An Issue.
Seek And You Shall Find.
Freethinka agree:DQuote:
Originally Posted by XenoSapien
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Originally Posted by shygrneyzs
:confused: Does God And satan live in the same body?
WHAT!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Freethinka
Do you and I live in the same body? No, I don't think so and I sure am glad we don't.
The natural man can't understand Spiritual things, so if you want to know the mysteries of My GOD the Father of heaven and earth, let me ask you something, if you died right now where would you go? Lets set aside the philosophy and the natural answers and look to your heart and ask the question.
I know you said set aside all of the natural answers, but to someone who is not religious the only answer is my body would shut down, my "soul" will cease to exist, my body would return to the Earth and decay.Quote:
Originally Posted by fightn_tha_goodfight
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